Response to Ms Garlick (2 Viewers)

[RPHunt]

Is there any better way of clarifying one is not a moron?

I really don't know how to answer this without it reading as an insult.

 

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[shmmeee]

Shmmeee: I do not disagree with the view that a 99 year lease or something similar could not suffice the same. Value may be a little different and security of tenure and not to mention raising funds against it but yes in principle why not. Perhaps that is another area SISU would consider.
Let me ask you this: Would you accept a leasehold of the sort you mention, given to the football club? Or the fact SISU currently own us makes a difference?

I would. In fact the main reason I favour a leasehold deal is that (I believe) it's easier to legally tie to the club than a freehold (especially an "unencumbered" one).

I want CCFC to earn what the original deal was (100% of match day revenue, 50% of the rest) and I want all the money going to fund the club I love. I'd be happy if Higgs/Lucas turned around tomorrow and said (if it's possible) "We're gifting back the Higgs shares, as a good will token to CCFC. It will be set in stone that all proceeds of this share go towards funding the club that is so integral to this City"

What I don't want is a club loaded with debt to enable a millionaire to be a slightly richer millionaire who then fucks off into the night leaving us to pick up the pieces and in all likelihood another double 10 points deduction, when we're god knows where in the league. Followed by yet another owner who wants to try and make cash or is lumbered with an insurmountable debt.

As for stating qualifications? Is there any better way of clarifying one is not a moron?

My friend, on the Internet, we're all morons.

 

[WiganSkyBlue]

but you do need to make our council see sense

CCC is not your council, nor is it mine. But they do have a duty to the huge majority of council taxpayers that do not support CCFC and so defend a community asset against a greedy hedge fund. If the council where I live were to consider selling a community asset for peanuts to asset-strippers then the townsfolk would be up in arms.

 

[WiganSkyBlue]

I'll ask you the same question I ask everyone else.

It's very simple, yet no one with views aligned to yours can answer it:

What benefit is there to CCFC in owning the freehold over a long term lease with access to revenues?

Oh and a small piece of advice from someone who's been online for nearly 20 years. Stating qualifications is ridiculous online. I should know, after all I'm a 5 time heavyweight champion and Kate Moss is noshing me off right now.[/QUOTE]

Is she really? You lucky bastard

 

[Paxman II]

CCC is not your council, nor is it mine. But they do have a duty to the huge majority of council taxpayers that do not support CCFC and so defend a community asset against a greedy hedge fund. If the council where I live were to consider selling a community asset for peanuts to asset-strippers then the townsfolk would be up in arms.

Yes I understand that view but slightly missing the point. They would be selling it to the football club. You have to try and disassociate yourself from the current owners before you can see the point. Shmmee has made some reference to such thought above.

 

[SkyBlueBlood]

Hard to say she isn't sincere or a fan of the club without actually knowing her isn't it?

Not really when she has stated her position in the email!

 

[SkyBlueSwiss]

It's interesting that I'm a moron. Hmm let me see: two degrees, operated 5 businesses successfully, speak a foreign language fluently. Well that for starters. I'm not prone to any sort of boast but thought in this instance I should just set that record straight. So moron? I don't think so.

As for more turnover not equating in any way to more profit? Well earn more and you have to pay more taxes but you still end up earning more. You would have to be a moron not to! I obviously touched a nerve with you. I did not call your opinions stupid but merely focussed on what my opinion is. Yours is clearly different which you are entitled to.

My main argument was that I was not one sided as you said. I even stated I was not a SISU fan. I was trying to make the point that given the circumstances of where we are then the better options may well be to allow them to purchase said stadium and this would in turn be good for all and in time see the back of them. They are indeed a hedge fund and long term operations in a football club is not their remit. With the Ricoh they would have the base to work from but I'm sure eventually depart at a price attracted to multitude of potential owners particularly as we are a 'big city club' and not Yeovil for example. This may achieve back some or even all on they invested, clear the club they laden with debt and come out of the nightmare they helped make.

I also fail to see why so many on here seem to back the council so much? I understand their position but they need to do more. I have never been comfortable with them finishing the project started by the football club then almost hijacking the situation presented to them, in order to gain the freehold of a major project and then simply expect the originators of that project (CCFC) to be happy with renting the pitch back and nothing else? Moreover they were (and SISU too) quite happy to let the huge rent of 1.2m per annum plus match day cost go on for a number of years before relegation really made one side sit up and realise it was ridiculous in the first place. Are you really happy with that? If SISU had not made the stand then some other owner would have. Yes SISU and the way they set about it was and is deplorable but none the less they did it and we are stuck with them - for now. So you want them gone and your football club back like we all do and playing at the Ricoh? Then as fans we must look at what both sides are doing or not doing and that includes the council and their owned management company ACL. We know about SISU, enough byte space has been taken up on that this last few years but let me ask you this:

What should the council be doing? Can they affect what is happening now? Do they want to? We should all be as bemused by the councils shallow responses as with SISU's.
SISU say they will build a stadium, they will not return to the Ricoh unless something more concrete is offered, possibly freehold or part there of or even perhaps a 99 year lease on the site, who knows? Can they be any more forthcoming with their desires at this point? They disagree with how the council bailed out itself with taxpayer money by assisting the leaseholder, ACL. This could very well be proven. Either way I suggest both sides find a solution to the obvious and unite club and stadium regardless. The faint hope that you can starve out SISU at this juncture and see them sell up for peanuts and leave is a fairy tail. We need to work with what we have, what is current and find a solution.

There are no miracle workers here, no mystic buyers or white knights such as Hoffman and co. No nobody wants this deck of cards but expect SISU to play with them. Watch the Hoffman and co respondents come forth if ever the club and stadium get united again with some meat on the bones i.e. a freehold stadium owned by CCFC?

Good grief this just gets ever more pathetic. What on Earth has education and degrees got to do with that? If you want to start a "who's got the bigger dick" contest, you are onto a loser. I was a university professor teaching finance, I speak 5 languages (as do quite a few people here in Switzerland), and I am still today running four businesses. None of which is any indication that you or I are not morons, just that I have a bigger dick than you.

Your repeating your stupidity does not make you right, but merely serves to underline the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about. We are discussing a football club, not an individual, and a football club is a business. A business often increases turnover but loses profitability and liquidity as a consequence. "Liquidity suffers under profitability" is a concept that used to be taught in the first year of accounting studies, and most genuine business leaders find out the hard way that increased turnover most definitely does not automatically lead to increased profitability, which leads me to the conclusion that you in fact did not run any business of any real size or you would have met this concept in the real world and would know that you are talking utter rubbish.

You have quite frankly twice now spouted utter nonsense and have proved yourself to indeed be a moron. It is very easy for anyone to look up this concept on the internet to see that you have no idea of what you are talking about.

Sorry Nick, but the guy is indeed a moron and continues to prove himself to be a moron by trying to justify himself by reiterating the same stupidity. Talk about giving a guy enough rope to hang himself. Keep going Paxman and make an even bigger idiot of yourself. But do it without me - I have wasted enough time on your blatant ignorance and stupidity.


EDIT: please take note that this is not an opinion - a fact is just that - a fact, and is not the subject of an "opinion".

 

[The Gentleman]

Good grief this just gets ever more pathetic. What on Earth has education and degrees got to do with that? If you want to start a "who's got the bigger dick" contest, you are onto a loser. I was a university professor teaching finance, I speak 5 languages (as do quite a few people here in Switzerland), and I am still today running four businesses. None of which is any indication that you or I are not morons, just that I have a bigger dick than you.

Your repeating your stupidity does not make you right, but merely serves to underline the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about. We are discussing a football club, not an individual, and a football club is a business. A business often increases turnover but loses profitability and liquidity as a consequence. "Liquidity suffers under profitability" is a concept that used to be taught in the first year of accounting studies, and most genuine business leaders find out the hard way that increased turnover most definitely does not automatically lead to increased profitability, which leads me to the conclusion that you in fact did not run any business of any real size or you would have met this concept in the real world and would know that you are talking utter rubbish.

You have quite frankly twice now spouted utter nonsense and have proved yourself to indeed be a moron. It is very easy for anyone to look up this concept on the internet to see that you have no idea of what you are talking about.

Sorry Nick, but the guy is indeed a moron and continues to prove himself to be a moron by trying to justify himself by reiterating the same stupidity. Talk about giving a guy enough rope to hang himself. Keep going Paxman and make an even bigger idiot of yourself. But do it without me - I have wasted enough time on your blatant ignorance and stupidity.


EDIT: please take note that this is not an opinion - a fact is just that - a fact, and is not the subject of an "opinion".

I do believe that King Dong deserves a like for that!

 

[Huckerby]

As for stating qualifications? Is there any better way of clarifying one is not a moron?

I don't know you, but you've made yourself sound like such a twat. Well done you have two degrees...join the club...doesn't mean shit

 

[Grendel]

just that I am a bigger dick than you.

How very true.

As for the 5 languages is one of them talking utter bollocks? You certainly are a master at that.

Welcome back. You haven't been missed.

 

[Paxman II]

Good grief this just gets ever more pathetic. What on Earth has education and degrees got to do with that? If you want to start a "who's got the bigger dick" contest, you are onto a loser. I was a university professor teaching finance, I speak 5 languages (as do quite a few people here in Switzerland), and I am still today running four businesses. None of which is any indication that you or I are not morons, just that I have a bigger dick than you.

Your repeating your stupidity does not make you right, but merely serves to underline the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about. We are discussing a football club, not an individual, and a football club is a business. A business often increases turnover but loses profitability and liquidity as a consequence. "Liquidity suffers under profitability" is a concept that used to be taught in the first year of accounting studies, and most genuine business leaders find out the hard way that increased turnover most definitely does not automatically lead to increased profitability, which leads me to the conclusion that you in fact did not run any business of any real size or you would have met this concept in the real world and would know that you are talking utter rubbish.

You have quite frankly twice now spouted utter nonsense and have proved yourself to indeed be a moron. It is very easy for anyone to look up this concept on the internet to see that you have no idea of what you are talking about.

Sorry Nick, but the guy is indeed a moron and continues to prove himself to be a moron by trying to justify himself by reiterating the same stupidity. Talk about giving a guy enough rope to hang himself. Keep going Paxman and make an even bigger idiot of yourself. But do it without me - I have wasted enough time on your blatant ignorance and stupidity.


EDIT: please take note that this is not an opinion - a fact is just that - a fact, and is not the subject of an "opinion".

I was going to let it go but you were the one spouting the insults and I don't believe I have done that at all have I? So the moron is you.
I never said increased turnover automatically leads to more profitability. You said that.
Just for the record I have and do run my own business and to date have never ever let this sort of thing be known on this forum as I believe it creates a misconception among posters to spout such things. I don't need to prove myself to anyone. I'm clearly not a moron my friend or stupid, far from it.
The stupidity is coming from you with your 'biggest dick' referencing clearly demonstrating immaturity akin to a teenager.
If you don't agree with someone then simply say why. Insults are for moronic posters the likes of which you clearly are. I doubt by the way you have a bigger dick than mine and as for living in Switzerland so what? I've lived and worked in several countries and successfully operated businesses in all. I have well known people who I can call friends from Lords to celebrities. Does that give me a bigger dick? Absolutely not. You are making judgements on what you have no idea of and assuming you are better. I couldn't careless if you had a billion pounds in a Suisse bank account. Get over your self and while you are at it try being a little more mature and behave instead of acting like a moron - Professor.
It would be a good idea if you tried to answer my opinions with a counter of your own regarding the issues that were being discussed instead of personal attacks. Someone as well educated like you profess to be, should know better.

 

[you're an idiot]

I can't remember saying "I believe this stadium will be built". I just said it is a bit harsh to question her as a fan or sincerity without knowing her.

Are you serious?? The mere fact she's put herself forward, voluntarily or not, as spokesperson on the single most important moment in our recent history gives us good reason to question her sanity let alone her sincerity!! They've tried every angle from Ken Deluded sitting on the bench to local "season ticket holder" to try and connect with fans and the only person that's shown an ounce of decency and achieved anything noteworthy is Waggot. She can claim to be independent all she likes but I'm not buying it or anything else until we're back in Cov.

 

[Astute]

So you need to have degrees to be intelligent? I have none. Thanks for letting me know I am thick. I left home at 15. Uni was out of the question for me. But having degrees don't mean a lot these days. I worked hard and got what I needed as I went along. Some people I work with get degrees in their spare time. Keeps their brain ticking over. They will never get any use out of them though. I work with someone who has just come out of his apprenticeship. He got the highest marks by far. He is as thick as f$ck though. No common sense. Just has a good memory.

You can see who doesn't have much common sense on here. They try to argue points that don't exist. They don't understand points that are made. It don't make them thick though. And if a lack of common sense made your dick bigger some would be keeping their ankles warm on one side.

 

[Moff]

Good grief this just gets ever more pathetic. I have a bigger dick than you..

Sorry I got confused with your post in reply to Paxman. Are you saying you have a bigger dick or that you are a bigger dick?

 

[ccfctommy]

This thread is hilarious!

 

[bezzer]

Sorry I got confused with your post in reply to Paxman. Are you saying you have a bigger dick or that you are a bigger dick?

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