Lester playing at the Ricoh (4 Viewers)

[italiahorse]

Its100% variable? So we paid less when arseley played in the cup than we did ago at Crewe? Are you sure?

Fixed costs are minimum when mothballed and are being offset against other business. The pitch is being maintained regardless so variables for this match will be cleaning the toilet and rerouting the cleaner and brush through one door and out another. Listen and learn.

 

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[Grendel]

ACL will make a fortune out of just a few Leicester fans there.



They're laying on a finger-food buffet.

Even better they are all corporate customers and Andy thorn is the guest speaker. Compass are laying on a full quota of staff.

 

[cloughie]

fixed costs are minimum when mothballed and are being offset against other business. The pitch is being maintained regardless so variables for this match will be cleaning the toilet and rerouting the cleaner and brush through one door and out another. Listen and learn.

some people never learn it is beyond them sadly

 

[Grendel]

Fixed costs are minimum when mothballed and are being offset against other business. The pitch is being maintained regardless so variables for this match will be cleaning the toilet and rerouting the cleaner and brush through one door and out another. Listen and learn.

So when the charity match was played at the start of the season what was the fixed costs then?

 

[Grendel]

some people never learn it is beyond them sadly

How much did ACL charge for the charity match. You seem to be saying ACL will be charging less to Leicester a rather well off championship club than they did a charity. Do you think that is fair?

 

[italiahorse]

So when the charity match was played at the start of the season what was the fixed costs then?

I'll check my figures as I am really interested in wasting my life keeping track ................ yep, four tenths of fuck all.

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Whose paying the matchday costs?

I thought you weren't bothered?

 

[Grendel]

I'll check my figures as I am really interested in wasting my life keeping track ................ yep, four tenths of fuck all.

They charged the charity around £10,000

 

[Rusty Trombone]

They charged the charity around £10,000

So are you suggesting (even though you're not bothered), that the costs equated to £2 per head of the crowd? I think Leicester will pay more than that per head.

 

[Grendel]

So are you suggesting (even though you're not bothered), that the costs equated to £2 per head of the crowd? I think Leicester will pay more than that per head.

Sorry? This is a fixed cost not variable to crowd. The fee the charity was charged was the standard fixed fee the club has always been charged. That's why when 6,000 attend a match say like arseley the cost is the same as when 32,000 went to Crewe. Italia as usual makes up tosh - the cost has always been a fixed cost of hire.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Grendel - they are attempting to keep their business alive - no issue with who plays there to be honest

 

[Rusty Trombone]

Sorry? This is a fixed cost not variable to crowd. The fee the charity was charged was the standard fixed fee the club has always been charged. That's why when 6,000 attend a match say like arseley the cost is the same as when 32,000 went to Crewe. Italia as usual makes up tosh - the cost has always been a fixed cost of hire.

Thanks I was just asking. So do you know that they won't be paying £10k? It would be good to take some money off Leicester wouldn't it.

 

[italiahorse]

They charged the charity around £10,000

£1 a person seems about right.
Similar cost per person if Sisu bring us back and they would also have the added bonus of 10,000 more supporters paying twice the six fields admission price and no rental costs.
Perhaps you can channel your efforts at Sisu to get them to see this. Or are you happier targeting fans who are on the ropes already with the Sisu business plan?

 

[ccfcway]

RFC would disagree with these numbers, but will not be able to say why

 

[Jack Griffin]

I don't care which side of the fence people sit on, a Leicester City side playing at home in our rightful home is an absolute fucking travesty. Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse.

It is no longer the home ground of Coventry City, it should be but it isn't. That is a fact.

 

[Grendel]

It is no longer the home ground of Coventry City, it should be but it isn't. That is a fact.

Going to the match jack?

 

[James Smith]

That's strange are you saying the matchday costs are variable? Really? I thought most of the costs were fixed and were a contribution to heating,lighting and maintenance. Are you saying its a variable cost? Wow I never knew that. Why have we always paid a fixed amount then?

What shop question? I must have missed that relevant and exciting post.

I don't know as I've never run a stadium or a football team for that matter. I was just offering a guess based on my limited understanding of what is involved - I may well be wrong.

I'll have to have a look for the other thread for you.

 

[James Smith]

As I'm of the belief Mucas is your boss I can believe you when she struggled to understand it.

So what do you think of Mr Labovitch and his shop analogy? Oh and (again) I don't work for any public body in the city of Coventry or elsewhere and never have done.

This was the post, oh and if you do want to insult me please try and think up something new, you've sort of done the You're a council employee to death.

 

[Grendel]

This was the post, oh and if you do want to insult me please try and think up something new, you've sort of done the You're a council employee to death.

I still can't see the quote. Out of interest on your shop do you pay 10 times the average rent on your street and can only make revenues from a certain section of your shop?

If this was the case would you be doing well?

 

[Rusty Trombone]

I still can't see the quote. Out of interest on your shop do you pay 10 times the average rent on your street and can only make revenues from a certain section of your shop?

If this was the case would you be doing well?

If his rent only made up 10% of his overheads I imagine he'd look at his other costs first.

 

[James Smith]

I still can't see the quote.

Mr Labovitch said

To illustrate, if you were offered the freehold of a shop and had a really great retail idea, you might think you could make a fortune. But if the current shop keeper has a lease for 40 years, you couldn’t do anything for 40 years so it wouldn’t be worth much.

 

[lewys33]

All this shows is tha leicester under 21s managed to secure the Ricoh Arena at the drop of a hat.

How easy SHOULD it be for CCFC to go back then?

 

[Astute]

All this shows is tha leicester under 21s managed to secure the Ricoh Arena at the drop of a hat.

How easy SHOULD it be for CCFC to go back then?

We all know this. But as the vast majority of us have also realised they have said they won't bring us back until they get what they can't be given by law. They could bring our club back right now rent free for the rest of this season and the next two seasons for less than they are paying at Northampton. They could gain some trust back if they wanted to. They could arrange a long term low rental if they wanted. They could purchase the Higgs part which we just about all agree that they should have done. But this wouldn't give their investors a bumper pay day for next to no outlay.

 

[Hobo]

I still can't see the quote. Out of interest on your shop do you pay 10 times the average rent on your street and can only make revenues from a certain section of your shop?

If this was the case would you be doing well?

High street rents vary considerably across the country. Revenue streams can vary greatly due to product margins and concessions etc., if you balance these things correctly, yes you can be doing well.

It's called Management Grendel

 

[covcity4life]

All this shows is tha leicester under 21s managed to secure the Ricoh Arena at the drop of a hat.

How easy SHOULD it be for CCFC to go back then?

exactly

childish move this by council,that or they are desperarate for money

come on sisu make some sort of friggen offer please

 

[RoboCCFC90]

So it's permanent for the foreseeable future, the next five years.

Leicester U21's are playing one game? Hardly a comparison is it?

If you and Fernando can't differentiate between the two then my flabber is gasted!

If it's only one game explain to me then why Leicester can't use their own stadium the King No-Power Stadium?

 

[RoboCCFC90]

All this shows is tha leicester under 21s managed to secure the Ricoh Arena at the drop of a hat.

How easy SHOULD it be for CCFC to go back then?

The problem is it hasn't hard to go back, but both ACL/CCC and Sisu/CCFC want different things than are on offer, there is no compromise.

 

[Hobo]

If it's only one game explain to me then why Leicester can't use their own stadium the King No-Power Stadium?

Explain why they have to? How many use their own stadiums these days for development matches? They obviously see a good facility their players can use and the facility is available.

If someone approaches ACL to use the Ricoh why should they turn them away? Usage aids maintenance.

SISU obviously feel Northampton suits their purpose better than the Ricoh?

I know where I want us playing, but then I don't make the decisions.

 

[wingy]

Looks like Labovitch ducked out of being interviewed possibly on this matter after requesting a hearing on shanes show this morning ,then overnight became aware of a teleconference that prevented him going on air due to time constraint.

I guess he can put something in the CT or on the Offal.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Explain why they have to? How many use their own stadiums these days for development matches? They obviously see a good facility their players can use and the facility is available.

If someone approaches ACL to use the Ricoh why should they turn them away? Usage aids maintenance.

SISU obviously feel Northampton suits their purpose better than the Ricoh?

I know where I want us playing, but then I don't make the decisions.

Well when we were at the Ricoh we did ourselves, I also know Exeter, Bristol Rovers, Torquay, Plymouth, Bristol City, Birimingham City, Derby and others use their homes Grounds also..

Well for the same reason we should be in Coventry I imagine, because it's that team it bares name with..

 

[italiahorse]

The problem is it hasn't hard to go back, but both ACL/CCC and Sisu/CCFC want different things than are on offer, there is no compromise.

If you want something and it's not available you accept it and move on.
What you don't do is throw a wobbly and take your ball to somewhere else.

 

[Hobo]

Well when we were at the Ricoh we did ourselves, I also know Exeter, Bristol Rovers, Torquay, Plymouth, Bristol City, Birimingham City, Derby and others use their homes Grounds also..

Well for the same reason we should be in Coventry I imagine, because it's that team it bares name with..

Have we used Nuneaton in the past?

I agree in the sense a club should be kept together. You would think they would at least have the youngsters playing within Leicestershire?

But I believe Leicester City FC first team are still based in and play in Leicester. However Coventry have been moved to Northampton. There is a big difference. However you feel our move is only a temporary measure, while I am not so confident.

However if and when SISU purchase land my feelings may change; for the worse or better I cannot judge until the purchase is made.

There is another interesting scenario with the Olympic stadium and the West Ham Orient debate. Some feel West Ham are being moved to a different area.

In some ways this moves away from an ACL vs SISU debate and more into the governance of the FA and FL.

I am happy to discuss these things Robo, it's why I joined a forum, not just to throw abuse about like some the first time someone holds a different opinion. (Not referring to your good self there).

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Have we used Nuneaton in the past?

I agree in the sense a club should be kept together. You would think they would at least have the youngsters playing within Leicestershire?

But I believe Leicester City FC first team are still based in and play in Leicester. However Coventry have been moved to Northampton. There is a big difference. However you feel our move is only a temporary measure, while I am not so confident.

However if and when SISU purchase land my feelings may change; for the worse or better I cannot judge until the purchase is made.

There is another interesting scenario with the Olympic stadium and the West Ham Orient debate. Some feel West Ham are being moved to a different area.

In some ways this moves away from an ACL vs SISU debate and more into the governance of the FA and FL.

I am happy to discuss these things Robo, it's why I joined a forum, not just to throw abuse about like some the first time someone holds a different opinion. (Not referring to your good self there).

We have used Treacle Town in the past for the U21's, the same as we have used Beduff for the ladies games.

This is where I agree any Club that bares the name of that City shoud be made to stay there whether it's CCFC, Leicester or West Ham.

I think everyone has an element of doubt with regards to the building of the new stadium, myself included, there are no concrete plans, no land has been bought and there are miscommunications or contradictory statements over time frame. I still believe we will be back at the Ricoh within five years but that is my opinion.

The governence of the Game has become a right mess and it's obvious it needs looking at.

We all know how some posters explain their opinion for better or for worse, my outlook on it all, as it always has been is if you have a concrete opinion with facts to support it then there is no reason why your opinion can't be valid, doesn't mean it will be right of course, but not all opinions are.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

If you want something and it's not available you accept it and move on.
What you don't do is throw a wobbly and take your ball to somewhere else.

You just said it Italia, you move on if CCFC end up playing in Exhall for exmaple then to me it's because they can't come to a compromise and sensible negotiations over the Ricoh, I think what CCFC are asking for, in the sense that they want all of the Ricoh isn't something that should be frowned upon, it's a reason why we are in this mess effectively because it's what Richardson wanted, however as me and Noggin discussed yesterday there are means and ways you go about these things, unfortunately as of this moment our owners are going about things completely the wrong way and have been since they stepped into the joint.

 

[Hobo]

Robo

I certainly agree a club should be based where the name on the on the tin states.

However I can see a case for farming out the development teams to facilities in the wider catchment area. We are talking grass routes football here and how grass routes can benefit from such an agreement.

It gets more difficult in places like London Birmingham or Manchester with so many teams where are the boundaries.

Everton for instance if they wanted to move and build a new ground...they may struggle to find suitable land in Everton? Would it be an unfair penalty on them to say you have to stay in Everton?

I know it's an imaginary scenario, but illustrates how difficult it is to legislate this?