Pitch Invader at Arsenal (13 Viewers)

[RoboCCFC90]

No thats a stupid argument, trespassing on someone's land is a minor crime, if while committing that minor crime you do something major like stab someone then you have commited a major crime. Just because you did that doesn't make the minor crime anymore serious. We shouldn't be asking stabbing victims how we should punish people for trespassing. Distruping a football match peacefully shouldn't be a crime at all though it should get you banned from stadia for a while depending on the seriousness.

The guy that assaulted kirkland has what is arguably a shorter banning order than the Coventry fan though, 6 years vs indefinite, the wolves fan who also had cocaine on him got a 3 year ban.

Well I wish Alan the best of luck in Court, they will decide.

 

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[mrbluesky87]

Couldn't put it better then that.

Robo you have just lost the argument, you cannot have different situations for different times.

The next time I am late for work and I do 100mph I will tell the court it was a different situation to that time I did it on the way to visiting friends and therefore must be let off.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

The guy should know better than to run on the field of play, the rules are there for a reason, just because he was doing 'for the cause' doesn't, and shouldn't, make him exempt from the rules.

Don't see how there's an argument to be had here.

 

[ccfcway]

has Tim Fisher been on the pitch before ?

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Robo you have just lost the argument, you cannot have different situations for different times.

The next time I am late for work and I do 100mph I will tell the court it was a different situation to that time I did it on the way to visiting friends and therefore must be let off.

I highlighted a specific comment because ten or so years ago things may have been different, things have escalated since then, see that I only highlighted one part of the quote?

 

[letsallsingtogether]

To be fair don't think he cares the whole situation was getting him down, shame after supporting them for 40 years.

 

[Noggin]

Well I wish Alan the best of luck in Court, they will decide.

but the courts won't decide because coventry city have banned him indefinitely, so what the courts decide is going to be irrelevant to him watching his team, of course you'd hope when we got new owners they would rescind the banning order once any banning order is up from the courts.

 

[Noggin]

I highlighted a specific comment because ten or so years ago things may have been different, things have escalated since then, see that I only highlighted one part of the quote?

Have things escalated or is football the safest it's ever been? because it feels like the later to me

 

[RoboCCFC90]

but the courts won't decide because coventry city have banned him indefinitely, so what the courts decide is going to be irrelevant to him watching his team, of course you'd hope when we got new owners they would rescind the banning order once any banning order is up from the courts.

That's on the thesis that we get new owners..?

 

[ccfcway]

Well I wish Alan the best of luck in Court, they will decide.

How did I know it would end up in court !

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Have things escalated or is football the safest it's ever been? because it feels like the later to me

Things have escalated in my opinion.

 

[hill83]

Things have escalated in my opinion.

Before this goes another 12 pages. Do you mean things have escalated:

A. Meaning that the banning orders have become more harsh
B. Things are more dangerous than they used to be

Because I think Noggin is saying things are safer now, which is correct.

 

[Grendel]

How many of us received a ban for going on the pitch when we played derby at highfield road in 2005?

Everyone received a life ban - from Highfield Road.

 

[Noggin]

Things have escalated in my opinion.

In what way? football seems much more friendly and unfortunately a little sterile compared to how it was when I was younger, it's got more family friendly, safer, I remember fights in the disabled section between the west end and the away fans. I've not seen anything like that for years. Football fans are a much more diverse audience now, many more women, a lot less pissed up testosterone, alot more wealthy fans, I can't accept that a peaceful protest on a pitch now deserves more punishment than it did 10 or 20 years ago. Football is very safe these days.

 

[duffer]

That's not it mrbluesky87, if I smash the window's of someone's house those residents would want me to feel the full extent of the law for breaking it, how is what Alan did any different? The FA will want to make sure that Alan is punished to the extent of the law, pitch invaders are a lottery you have the type like Alan who make a scene or you have the type who punch Goalkeepers in the face, as you never know which one is coming, all must be banned with the same ban to prevent it happening again.

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Erm... following that logic, sometimes people who break a window enter houses and end up murdering the occupants, it's rare, but it happens.

Therefore the correct treatment of window-breakers is obviously a life sentence - they might just break a window, or they might murder the occupants. Only a life-sentence will stop window breakers and protect us from potential murderers.

It's an interesting idea, but it's not the way the law generally works. The punishment is supposed to fit the actual crime - not the potential crime. So, how far the law extends and how much punishment is needed is decided by the court - but it's rare that offenders of any nature are punished to the full extent of the law in terms of receiving the maximum sentence available.

Anyway, like I say, I don't want anyone to go on the pitch, regardless of how just the cause - but I also think the punishment should fit the crime. I'm not sure it does here.

 

[Noggin]

That's on the thesis that we get new owners..?

if we don't none of us are going to be going to Coventry games in a few years, but thats another thread.

 

[Nick]

no they probably won't as you can see from other punishments from the courts from much more serious and much less understandable breakings of that rule. He will likely get a short ban and small fine, perhaps just the fine. He absolutely should be punished to the same level other similar acts have been, thats whats fair.

I agree, there is no reason for him to be banned more just because of his t shirt.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

That was the Portsmouth game took my lad to this game his first Cov game aged 4 luckily we were in the back drinking Coffee.

I will never forget it for that reason can't even remember my first game....

In what way? football seems much more friendly and unfortunately a little sterile compared to how it was when I was younger, it's got more family friendly, safer, I remember fights in the disabled section between the west end and the away fans. I've not seen anything like that for years. Football fans are a much more diverse audience now, many more women, a lot less pissed up testosterone, alot more wealthy fans, I can't accept that a peaceful protest on a pitch now deserves more punishment than it did 10 or 20 years ago. Football is very safe these days.

 

[Nick]

In what way? football seems much more friendly and unfortunately a little sterile compared to how it was when I was younger, it's got more family friendly, safer, I remember fights in the disabled section between the west end and the away fans. I've not seen anything like that for years. Football fans are a much more diverse audience now, many more women, a lot less pissed up testosterone, alot more wealthy fans, I can't accept that a peaceful protest on a pitch now deserves more punishment than it did 10 or 20 years ago. Football is very safe these days.

Surely it is safer because of the punishments? If you didn't get punished for having a fight in a terrace or running on the pitch then a lot more people would be doing it.

 

[ajsccfc]

I'd imagine that with the court ruling coming up, indefinite is just a synonym for provisional rather than meaning until the end of time.

 

[Nick]

I'd imagine that with the court ruling coming up, indefinite is just a synonym for provisional rather than meaning until the end of time.

That is the way I see it, if he had a lifetime ban it would say "lifetime ban" or "banned for life".

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Of coarse it does he's opposed to sisu just like the supporters who took there banners into the Ricoh were treated like animals and set on by the Stewards with the full backing of our owners..But that is ok to some on here.

Erm... following that logic, sometimes people who break a window enter houses and end up murdering the occupants, it's rare, but it happens.

Therefore the correct treatment of window-breakers is obviously a life sentence - they might just break a window, or they might murder the occupants. Only a life-sentence will stop window breakers and protect us from potential murderers.

It's an interesting idea, but it's not the way the law generally works. The punishment is supposed to fit the actual crime - not the potential crime. So, how far the law extends and how much punishment is needed is decided by the court - but it's rare that offenders of any nature are punished to the full extent of the law in terms of receiving the maximum sentence available.

Anyway, like I say, I don't want anyone to go one the pitch, regardless of how just the cause - but I also think the punishment should fit the crime. I'm not sure it does here.

 

[duffer]

Has it been said somewhere the ban he has got? People are going on about how harsh it is etc but do they know how long he is banned for? How can they say it is harsh when it is indefinite?

Indefinite is harsh because it's entirely at the whim of the club. It might only be for a season, or it might be for a lifetime. Typically, in law, indefinite sentences are used for the worst offences. It's considered fairer to at least let someone know when they will have served their time and be allowed back into society (or in this case, a football ground).

If you want a just sentence, I'd see what the court come up with. They'll take everything into account, and then decide. I'll be very surprised if that's an indefinite ban.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Not me to old now can't run....

Surely it is safer because of the punishments? If you didn't get punished for having a fight in a terrace or running on the pitch then a lot more people would be doing it.

 

[Noggin]

Surely it is safer because of the punishments? If you didn't get punished for having a fight in a terrace or running on the pitch then a lot more people would be doing it.

I'm sure thats a significant reason, though alot of it is also culture and demographic changes too, but I'm not for a second suggesting people shouldn't be punished, just that the punishment be fair and consistent with those who commit similar crimes. If he gets banned for more time than the guy who assaulted Chris Kirkland then well thats simply ridiculous (and im aware that guy was jailed too for a couple of months)

 

[Ashdown1]

How many of us received a ban for going on the pitch when we played derby at highfield road in 2005?

Not to mention all those Southampton fans in our last match of the Championship !? Actually I best get a ban as well as I went on the pitch at the end of the Legends game at the Ricoh in August along with another 2000 or so !

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Careful some on here will pursue you and sees that it happens after all you were breaking the law.


Maybe they can get hold of

I am the Law

Not to mention all those Southampton fans in our last match of the Championship !? Actually I best get a ban as well as I went on the pitch at the end of the Legends game at the Ricoh in August along with another 2000 or so !

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

He's talking about people running on the pitch.

You are literally the only person to mention the fucking hill.

You're right so what was post 85 hinting at:thinking about:

 

[Nick]

You're right so what was post 85 hinting at:thinking about:

Didn't take long for Barry...

Post 85 didn't mention the hill

 

[letsallsingtogether]

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Didn't take long for Barry...

Post 85 didn't mention the hill

You know what he was saying who else would it have been and who the hell is Barry?

 

[covmark]

Don't see what this has to do with anything on this thread.

 

[hill83]

You're right so what was post 85 hinting at:thinking about:

I'd say the bald bloke who was stood outside the ticket office first 'home' game of the season shouting at people going into the shed.
Nothing to do with the hill as far as I am aware. So yep, I'm right.
But of course it's always all about the hill, I forgot. It only ever comes up by you or the other chap.

I'm struggling to not capitalise hill, been doing it all my life.

 

[covmark]

You know what he was saying who else would it have been and who the hell is Barry?

One half of the chuckle brothers

 

[japandy]

I think many on here are missing the point with what this person did. I was there and on 31 minutes raised the WHY?/WHEN? sign with the other 5000+ fans. I was totally taken aback by the response of the Arsenal fans who gave us a standing ovation and some even sang with us. It was, for me, the first real thanks for the KCIC guys who did us a credit for putting on the protest. Again we rose our hands in unison in the second half with mild applause from the Aresnal fans. Watching the TV replay later I was so grateful to the BT sports commentators who explained everything to the watching viewers. AND THEN this drunk (YES he had been drinking) ran on the pitch, some Arsenal fans booed him, and rightly so. WE had given our messsage to everyone connected with football, but this man, who is NOT a Coventry fan in my eyes shet oneverything we had done just for own self-centred protest. He is a numpty and doesn't deserve to be associated with our protest.