Protest inside Sixfields (7 Viewers)

[Skyblueweeman]

I suggested this and got berated. Hope you have more luck, it makes a lot of sense.

Didn't see it mate, apologies if I did and berated you...don't think I would've though!

I need to mail Michael about the petition so will ask him about organising a 'sell out' of Sixfields for the last game and see if we can get a singular point of organisation. Seems like the majority are up for doing 'something' that day of the Wolves game.

WM

 

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[GaryPendrysEyes]

Aint gonna happen in the ground.
People just wont travel there in numbers, wont go in, wont give Sisu their money; at best it'll be completely half cocked and may even turn nasty between fans and counterproductive....

and call me a cynic but 'Sisu apologists' seem to be mighty keen to get people in the ground on some pretext or other, some might think there's another agenda.... :0)

So either those going do something; or a demo at FL, or some coordinated social media targeting of the FL??? [might be better than us just arguing on here!]

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Aint gonna happen in the ground.
People just wont travel there in numbers, wont go in, wont give Sisu their money; at best it'll be completely half cocked and may even turn nasty between fans and counterproductive....

and call me a cynic but 'Sisu apologists' seem to be mighty keen to get people in the ground on some pretext or other, some might think there's another agenda.... :0)

So either those going do something; or a demo at FL, or some coordinated social media targeting of the FL??? [might be better than us just arguing on here!]

I ain't no SISU apologist, I just know if games end up televised protests in a ground get far more attention than those outside...

Or we can just divide people for having an opinion that doesn't tally, eh? If you really think a one-off £9 off a few is SISU's salvation... a fair few handed more over for Arsenal after all.

Plus a couple of us have even said we'd go outside if needs be.

There's some compromise, something SISU don't show... shame our fans need to butt heads too.

For the question that's asked however, what are YOU doing in the ground to show we're not happy... here's the answer and it's still not good enough.

 

[GaryPendrysEyes]

I ain't no SISU apologist, I just know if games end up televised protests in a ground get far more attention than those outside...

Or we can just divide people for having an opinion that doesn't tally, eh? If you really think a one-off £9 off a few is SISU's salvation... a fair few handed more over for Arsenal after all.

Plus a couple of us have even said we'd go outside if needs be.

There's some compromise, something SISU don't show... shame our fans need to butt heads too.

I gave you my opinion, people wont go in, if they do in numbers you would probably get the place completely trashed... I guess that would make the news...

 

[sky blue zam]

Wasn't keen when first suggested Mark (don't think I berated), but starting to come round to the idea. I would think Wolves fans are already looking at tickets for this. Could be quite chaotic if organised properly (bit of an oxymoron there, but you know what I mean)

If there is something planned for the wolves match, can it help if everybody that goes pays on the gate. Wolves would probably be given as many as they want and then potentially there could be hundreds outside for the police to deal with.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I gave you my opinion, people wont go in, if they do in numbers you would probably get the place completely trashed... I guess that would make the news...

They may well not go in.

They didn't go on the hill either for Sheff Utd however.

So there ended up bugger all, all so people could proudly stick to their principles, and refuse to move one inch. And nobody will go to anything if the instant answer is just 'nope' to any idea.

Makes us as bad as SISU/ACL/council/insert troublecauser of choice.

And passive without something active to replace it just looks like nobody cares.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

If there is something planned for the wolves match, can it help if everybody that goes pays on the gate. Wolves would probably be given as many as they want and then potentially there could be hundreds outside for the police to deal with.

What I'd have liked to have known for Sheff Utd, when briefly there did seem the possibility of a protest inside, is what measures, if any, could be taken to stop something happening; whether they'd stop pay on the gate / a big sale of tickets pre-game would have roused suspicions and dampened anything.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

If our crowds stay the same can see wolves getting 3 sides of the ground if they haven't knocked the stand down for the redevelopment
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If there is something planned for the wolves match, can it help if everybody that goes pays on the gate. Wolves would probably be given as many as they want and then potentially there could be hundreds outside for the police to deal with.

 

[ccfcway]

Last two home games of the season, one all in and one all out.

Great compromise !

2nd last game of the season, no-one go, including all of the season ticket holders.
Last game of the season, pack it, have the ground full, people on the hill etc.

Everyone involved in every part of that. brings all CCFC fans together

 

[Buster]

Have any of you thought of the utter devastation of the place with 4000 pissed of, pissed up fans wanting to leave a message for Tim in his chosen ground . Michael would be wise to steer clear of that one

 

[GaryPendrysEyes]

They may well not go in.

They didn't go on the hill either for Sheff Utd however.

So there ended up bugger all, all so people could proudly stick to their principles, and refuse to move one inch. And nobody will go to anything if the instant answer is just 'nope' to any idea.

Makes us as bad as SISU/ACL/council/insert troublecauser of choice.

I have suggested some coordinated social media action and maybe a demo against the FL /FA. KCIC have done stuff as have the Trust.
A problem remains those going in to Sixfields arent interested in any protest.

Anyhows, I wouldnt be surprised if some might go with the Wolves game idea. But it is very likely the place will get trashed, just sayin' !

 

[ccfcway]

"TWIST AND SHOUT"

2nd last home game of the season, everyone turn away from the stadium and leave it empty of home fans.

Last game, pack it, everyone turn up in sky blue, shout and sing for 90 mins, treat it like an away day

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I have suggested some coordinated social media action and maybe a demo against the FL /FA.

And I'd be all for the football league. Frankly, should have been done the start of the season, and there's plnty of time to organise such a thing even now.

A problem remains those going in to Sixfields arent interested in any protest.

As soon as the rhetoric's alienation, then it makes it so much harder.

Could always look at the fact edgy goes to Sixfields, he keeps asking about protest ideas, getting short shrift. Torch, ferret have been to Sixfields, they seem up for it etc. etc...

I'd say on the contrary, many people who o to Sixfields would be all for a protest, the right protest... if we stopped this attempt to divide our own fans.

 

[MichaelCCFC]

I'd be up for a one off protest in or out the ground. Wolves is the last chance to influence anyone really before the ground is decided fr next season.

Get a few coaches laid on by various fans groups, taking people whether they're going in or not. A show of SBA unity. Get banners and flags and bands on the hill, the works. Why not?

shmmee, do you have any idea if the Trust might be willing to lead on this? Not doing something for the Wolves game seems wrong but just the signs at Arsenal had me on the verge of a nervous breakdown (the week before I was ready to call it off!) Last summer's march showed how fantastic the Trust is at organising big events and the fighting fund must be looking pretty healthy so could they even do free coaches? Wolves is one that would need to be done properly and I don't see that a kcic wing and a prayer approach would work whereas the Trust would make a really good job of it

 

[Deleted member 5849]

shmmee, do you have any idea if the Trust might be willing to lead on this? Not doing something for the Wolves game seems wrong but just the signs at Arsenal had me on the verge of a nervous breakdown (the week before I was ready to call it off!) Last summer's march showed how fantastic the Trust is at organising big events and the fighting fund must be looking pretty healthy so could they even do free coaches? Wolves is one that would need to be done properly and I don't see that a kcic wing and a prayer approach would work whereas the Trust would make a really good job of it

I'd tend to agree tbh.

And 'protest' doesn't have to equal 'taking sides' after all.

 

[mark82]

I have suggested some coordinated social media action and maybe a demo against the FL /FA. KCIC have done stuff as have the Trust.
A problem remains those going in to Sixfields arent interested in any protest.

Anyhows, I wouldnt be surprised if some might go with the Wolves game idea. But it is very likely the place will get trashed, just sayin' !

At least one person who goes to Sixfields on here is very much up for this. In fact most on here seem up for it regardless of if they go or not. Pack inside and outside and it would send a message. And if something could be dreamt up that could delay the start of the game then that would be even better in terms of media coverage.

 

[Nick]

At least one person who goes to Sixfields on here is very much up for this. In fact most on here seem up for it regardless of if they go or not. Pack inside and outside and it would send a message. And if something could be dreamt up that could delay the start of the game then that would be even better in terms of media coverage.

Let's get 30k there

 

[Captain Dart]

I simply won't go to Sixfields and I don''t intend to encourage anyone else to, NOPM is the only way to pressurise SISU, if they had a sell out they would be pissing themselves laughing at us.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I simply won't go to Sixfields and I don''t intend to encourage anyone else to, NOPM is the only way to pressurise SISU, if they had a sell out they would be pissing themselves laughing at us.

Like they were for Arsenal?

Or is a one-off game sufficient to make a point, as opposed to letting everything slide away to apathy...? NOPM has always been sold as a tactic, after all, not the ultimate result-maker.

 

[mark82]

Let's get 30k there

Everyone take a ladder and we can all just climb over the top.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Let's get 30k there

30k would be impressive...

I'm assuming the rugby club aren't playing the same day, btw. Would be kind of amusing to pack out Franklin's gardens with radios, and cheer the Cov game...

 

[Skyblueweeman]

Let's get 30k there

Then the rest could sign the petition!!

 

[Skyblueweeman]

I simply won't go to Sixfields and I don''t intend to encourage anyone else to, NOPM is the only way to pressurise SISU, if they had a sell out they would be pissing themselves laughing at us.

Read the many posts about people protesting inside or OUTSIDE the ground.....

WM

 

[Nick]

The best way is to show them what they could have had, get the place swarming, pack inside and outside. Make it a logistical nightmare

 

[edgy]

I simply won't go to Sixfields and I don''t intend to encourage anyone else to, NOPM is the only way to pressurise SISU, if they had a sell out they would be pissing themselves laughing at us.

Then go outside. It will be a near sell out anyway, as Wolves will swarm it too. I'd rather it be full of City fans making a point than Wolves fans having a party.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The best way is to show them what they could have had, get the place swarming, pack inside and outside. Make it a logistical nightmare

So the question is... how do you do that?

How do you first sell the idea to the people prepared to travel to MK and Arsenal... and more besides?

How do you co-ordinate the going in to the ground? I'd happily buy a ticket for a proper protest, but I'm not going to be a pillock and be the only one in there(!) Safety in numbers and all that, and suspect I'm not alone... so how do you build momentum for both IN and OUT?

Further to that, how do you do your best to stop the club interfering and trying to cut it? Or do you hope that poorly attended efforts to date make them take their eye off the ball?

What's the message?

And who organises it too? I'd tend to agree with Michael, the Trust really should, but are they prepared to? Under what circumstances *are* they prepared to?

Co-ordinated effort to get people there?

And the biggie... if few sign up to the idea, prepared to cut it and move on to something else?

 

[The Gentleman]

So the question is... how do you do that?

How do you first sell the idea to the people prepared to travel to MK and Arsenal... and more besides?

How do you co-ordinate the going in to the ground? I'd happily buy a ticket for a proper protest, but I'm not going to be a pillock and be the only one in there(!) Safety in numbers and all that, and suspect I'm not alone... so how do you build momentum for both IN and OUT?

Further to that, how do you do your best to stop the club interfering and trying to cut it? Or do you hope that poorly attended efforts to date make them take their eye off the ball?

What's the message?

And who organises it too? I'd tend to agree with Michael, the Trust really should, but are they prepared to? Under what circumstances *are* they prepared to?

Co-ordinated effort to get people there?

And the biggie... if few sign up to the idea, prepared to cut it and move on to something else?

Would one selling point (apart from the upcoming JR which will more than likely be bogged down for a while after with appeals) be that we have tried everything else, one last chance to tell Sisu to get their arses back to the Ricoh.

 

[Noggin]

any protest that requires 5000+ people to spend an hour + in the car and spend about £20 half of which is going to the people they are protesting against is just not going to happen, all you will achieve by attempting it is to put a few hundred more on the sixfields gate which does nothing but harm the boycott.

I have no issue with attempting protests that might not work out but not when it failing is actually harmful.

An ideal protest is one that works well with a few hundred and gets better with more and more, then you succeed whatever, any protest that starts with lets give money to sisu is going to have significant opposition and it's not going to be possible to pull off.

Honestly there is no protest that makes everyone happy, trying to do so is going to make it more likely to fail imo. Chose a protest that you can easily gets hundreds to agree with and then you'll probably end up with thousands as people tell their friends.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

You can join those on the hill then.

:welcome:

 

[Noggin]

I've said similar stuff to that in the past so I know full well the response is normally insults about sitting on my arse doing nothing, but I'll gladly attend any well organised protest, but any protest that starts with a premise that has a tiny chance of going as planned and a high chance of just giving sisu money for little benefit isn't a well organised protest.

 

[wingy]

any protest that requires 5000+ people to spend an hour + in the car and spend about £20 half of which is going to the people they are protesting against is just not going to happen, all you will achieve by attempting it is to put a few hundred more on the sixfields gate which does nothing but harm the boycott.

I have no issue with attempting protests that might not work out but not when it failing is actually harmful.

An ideal protest is one that works well with a few hundred and gets better with more and more, then you succeed whatever, any protest that starts with lets give money to sisu is going to have significant opposition and it's not going to be possible to pull off.

Honestly there is no protest that makes everyone happy, trying to do so is going to make it more likely to fail imo. Chose a protest that you can easily gets hundreds to agree with and then you'll probably end up with thousands as people tell their friends.

Noggin if they don't get the Money from us they will from the wolves fans ,just like if we'd boycotted arsenal they would still have had reciepts from 60K. gunners.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

any protest that requires 5000+ people to spend an hour + in the car and spend about £20 half of which is going to the people they are protesting against is just not going to happen, all you will achieve by attempting it is to put a few hundred more on the sixfields gate which does nothing but harm the boycott.

I have no issue with attempting protests that might not work out but not when it failing is actually harmful.

An ideal protest is one that works well with a few hundred and gets better with more and more, then you succeed whatever, any protest that starts with lets give money to sisu is going to have significant opposition and it's not going to be possible to pull off.

Honestly there is no protest that makes everyone happy, trying to do so is going to make it more likely to fail imo. Chose a protest that you can easily gets hundreds to agree with and then you'll probably end up with thousands as people tell their friends.

Id agree with you to a point. The walking out idea put up before, for example - great if 3,000 do it, less great if I do it by myself, just looks like I'm going for a piss or a hotdog (or a pissed on hotdog?).

One thing to be said for this particular game however, given who we're playing and when we're playing, there's a fair chance the gate will be substantially up anyway, a lot depends on whether that gate is up because of 'us' or 'them'.

Now, that could always be used to our advantage, if something could be thought of to make use of them in the ground... but suspect again, given the club, they're not the ideal one to ask for help on a large scale.

 

[torchomatic]

I find your posts strange at the best of times but I really don't understand what you're getting at here. What "pretext"? What "agenda"?

and call me a cynic but 'Sisu apologists' seem to be mighty keen to get people in the ground on some pretext or other, some might think there's another agenda.... :0)

 

[Noggin]

Noggin if they don't get the Money from us they will from the wolves fans ,just like if we'd boycotted arsenal they would still have had reciepts from 60K. gunners.

perhaps but even ignoring the benefit to sisu, getting thousands of people who wouldn't have traveled to go to northampton just to protest has almost no chance of working.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

perhaps but even ignoring the benefit to sisu, getting thousands of people who wouldn't have traveled to go to northampton just to protest has almost no chance of working.

That is indeed the challenge.

It's why I stuck the bit on about knocking it on the head if not enough commit.

Personally I think things *have* to be done, action has to go with inaction or it all just looks like nobody gives a toss but I also agree... and also remember Sheff Utd.

However, there's still a fair amount of time before the end of the seasn, so if centrally organised by, say, the trust, there's enough time to start to get an indication about numbers, push for numbers... but be able to cull the idea if it's just not working, rather than end up with a protest of apathy.