What does it take to reignite the club? (8 Viewers)

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Macca

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For me.

A few consistent seasons of the type of entertainment we have seen this year (mainly)

To see this in Coventry

To have the financial clout to keep players for longer than a season and when they do go to replace them
Properly

To be involved just once in a genuine promotion campaign

To play again at Championship level
 
stupot07

stupot07

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I haven't lost interest yet, but just being back in or around Coventry would do me.


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Calista

Calista

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Can’t disagree with those things Macca – it would be nice wouldn’t it? A regards financial clout, that doesn’t look likely, since we still owe ourselves £60 million and rising fast. The only thing for which there’s an unlimited budget is staying in Northampton.

Funnily enough, for me the level we play at is less important than the way we go about it. The thing most likely to bring me back on board would be someone running the club with an ounce of charisma and ambition.
 
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dongonzalos

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Owners who I actually believe gives a rats arse about making the footballing side of things successful.
Who actually care what the fans think.
Who I actually believe actually like the club and the fans. People who you don't get the feeling would rather be a million miles away but they are too far in this mess so are sticking with it.

A club that has the ambition that it is big enough to consistently attract 25k fans.

A club that understands the value of its players and its fans.

A club that understands the importance of a bit of consistency in a season.

It tries to do its business in the summer and fights tooth and nail to keep what it devised in the summer in one piece till the next summer.

A club that explains its decisions to the fans and those decisions make sense.

Owners who understand the potential of a one football club city and the addition potential of the surrounding Warwickshire region.

A club that believes in their manager then gives him a fighting chance.
 
Houchens Head

Houchens Head

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Re-ignite the club? A bleedin' great bonfire would ignite it! Not sure about re-ignite it though. I suppose you could set it on fire twice!
 
stupot07

stupot07

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dongonzalos said:
Owners who I actually believe gives a rats arse about making the footballing side of things successful.
Who actually care what the fans think.
Who I actually believe actually like the club and the fans. People who you don't get the feeling would rather be a million miles away but they are too far in this mess so are sticking with it.

A club that has the ambition that it is big enough to consistently attract 25k fans.

A club that understands the value of its players and its fans.

A club that understands the importance of a bit of consistency in a season.

It tries to do its business in the summer and fights tooth and nail to keep what it devised in the summer in one piece till the next summer.

A club that explains its decisions to the fans and those decisions make sense.

Owners who understand the potential of a one football club city and the addition potential of the surrounding Warwickshire region.

A club that believes in their manager then gives him a fighting chance.
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Have you ever considered supporting the villa.....



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Macca

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If we were having a league 1 season in touch with the top and playing in front of 15k in Coventry I'd be happy enough!
 
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Lorksalordy

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One consistent season as a boring normal run of the mill League 1 club with stories in sports sections of newspapers only would do very nicely


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RoboCCFC90

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To bring us back to the Ricoh, I get the feeling everything else will fit into place.
 
torchomatic

torchomatic

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We've never been able to attract 25K fans regularly even when we've been doing relatively well. I don't think that will ever happen. The people of the city and surrounding area haven't supported the team in numbers for years.

dongonzalos said:
Owners who I actually believe gives a rats arse about making the footballing side of things successful.
Who actually care what the fans think.
Who I actually believe actually like the club and the fans. People who you don't get the feeling would rather be a million miles away but they are too far in this mess so are sticking with it.

A club that has the ambition that it is big enough to consistently attract 25k fans.

A club that understands the value of its players and its fans.

A club that understands the importance of a bit of consistency in a season.

It tries to do its business in the summer and fights tooth and nail to keep what it devised in the summer in one piece till the next summer.

A club that explains its decisions to the fans and those decisions make sense.

Owners who understand the potential of a one football club city and the addition potential of the surrounding Warwickshire region.

A club that believes in their manager then gives him a fighting chance.
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torchomatic

torchomatic

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I would say "right owners" is more important than "new owners". Any port in a storm isn't necessarily the way to go.

Regis87 said:
New owners
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RoboCCFC90

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torchomatic said:
I would say "right owners" is more important than "new owners". Any port in a storm isn't necessarily the way to go.
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"The Grass isn't always Greener on the other side"

 
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Cheshire Sky Blue

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Norman Lockhart said:
Can’t disagree with those things Macca – it would be nice wouldn’t it? A regards financial clout, that doesn’t look likely, since we still owe ourselves £60 million and rising fast. The only thing for which there’s an unlimited budget is staying in Northampton.

Funnily enough, for me the level we play at is less important than the way we go about it. The thing most likely to bring me back on board would be someone running the club with an ounce of charisma and ambition.
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But Timmy's got charisma, and Joys got ambition..........................................


Charisma of a rat & ambition to screw the folk of Coventry.............................
 
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Tonylinc

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Our club will not move on till we have new owners. That is easily said but much more difficult to achieve. Just how do we achieve that? Well, Shitzu must have something to sell in order to get their "investment", back and thus move on to leach someone else. How is that achievable? Well, for a start do we give them the Ricoh. Every ounce of my body says NO but what alternative is there?
 
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dongonzalos

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stupot07 said:
Leicesters only down the road..


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What out of what I said is too much to expect?

SISU will be gone within 2 years hopefully then we will get owners who can handle the job.
 
stupot07

stupot07

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dongonzalos said:
What out of what I said is too much to expect?

SISU will be gone within 2 years hopefully then we will get owners who can handle the job.
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Most of it..

[Owners who I actually believe gives a rats arse about making the footballing side of things successful. how? By throwing money at the problem?


A club that has the ambition that it is big enough to consistently attract 25k fans. how? By spending money the club hasn't got, on players it can't afford? This is the whole reason fan ownership would never work here.

A club that understands the importance of a bit of consistency in a season. we are consistency personified - start strong, finish weakly, season after season

It tries to do its business in the summer and fights tooth and nail to keep what it devised in the summer in one piece till the next summer. yes, but you can't do much about someone like Clarke who's handed in a transfer request and then refused to play.

A club that explains its decisions to the fans and those decisions make sense. nice idea, but can't see this working, what makes sense to one person, doesn't necessarily makes sense to another, just look at perceptions of who is/isn't to blame, or what percentage blame is attached to who. Interesting Mickey Adams views on Operation Premiership, spin and rhetoric lapped up by fans, but no money for Mickey to back it up

A club that believes in their manager then gives him a fighting chance. Pressley's been given a fighting chance as was robins/thorn last season. We'd be in touching distance of the play offs

The bottom line is most of your wish list will never happen whilst we are tenants and not accessing matchday and other revenue.

The season we got relegated there were 10-11 teams with lower attendances, yet our income/turnover was in the bottom 3-4. More over the 3 promoted teams had wage bills circa 3x the size of our entire income/turnover. You want us to be ambitious, achieve 25k regulars, back the manager, fight at the right end of the table, do you advocate a new owner spending circa x3 our income/turnover on wages to take a punt? How much would need to be spent on transfers? Another £5-10m?

We don't need that crap again, if we ever get out of this situation I never want to go through this again. That means a different approach, like Swansea. I believe Pressley is starting to do this, but it takes time.




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dongonzalos

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stupot07 said:
Most of it..

[Owners who I actually believe gives a rats arse about making the footballing side of things successful. how? By throwing money at the problem?


A club that has the ambition that it is big enough to consistently attract 25k fans. how? By spending money the club hasn't got, on players it can't afford? This is the whole reason fan ownership would never work here.

A club that understands the importance of a bit of consistency in a season. we are consistency personified - start strong, finish weakly, season after season

It tries to do its business in the summer and fights tooth and nail to keep what it devised in the summer in one piece till the next summer. yes, but you can't do much about someone like Clarke who's handed in a transfer request and then refused to play.

A club that explains its decisions to the fans and those decisions make sense. nice idea, but can't see this working, what makes sense to one person, doesn't necessarily makes sense to another, just look at perceptions of who is/isn't to blame, or what percentage blame is attached to who. Interesting Mickey Adams views on Operation Premiership, spin and rhetoric lapped up by fans, but no money for Mickey to back it up

A club that believes in their manager then gives him a fighting chance. Pressley's been given a fighting chance as was robins/thorn last season. We'd be in touching distance of the play offs

The bottom line is most of your wish list will never happen whilst we are tenants and not accessing matchday and other revenue.

The season we got relegated there were 10-11 teams with lower attendances, yet our income/turnover was in the bottom 3-4. More over the 3 promoted teams had wage bills circa 3x the size of our entire income/turnover. You want us to be ambitious, achieve 25k regulars, back the manager, fight at the right end of the table, do you advocate a new owner spending circa x3 our income/turnover on wages to take a punt? How much would need to be spent on transfers? Another £5-10m?

We don't need that crap again, if we ever get out of this situation I never want to go through this again. That means a different approach, like Swansea. I believe Pressley is starting to do this, but it takes time.




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1) No by actually doing things that make you think their focus is making the football team successful.

Do you think that is their number one priority?

2) No you aim for crowds of 25k by staying in or building a stadium that can take 25k. By involving the fans as much as you can in the club. Making the fans feel valued and involved. You do not alienate them and turn them against u at every opportunity.

3) is Clarke the only disruption we have had this season?
It is the same every season....

4) No not every fan just most of the key decisions explained and making sense to most fans.

5) I don't get your point on that one

Bottom line is all of what I have asked for has not been the case under SISU and as far as I can see will never be the case under.

Plenty of those clubs provide their fans fans with most of the above regardless of finances. The majority of it is from having a simple respect for your loyal customer and a genuine desire to make the football side if things a success.

Nowhere in that list does it say spend a fortune. That is your misinterpretation
 
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dongonzalos

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torchomatic said:
We've never been able to attract 25K fans regularly even when we've been doing relatively well. I don't think that will ever happen. The people of the city and surrounding area haven't supported the team in numbers for years.
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When have we been doing relatively well

What was our crowds at that time in relative terms to 25k now.

I would say if it was 19-20 k back then that would be similar to 25k today due to the growth of popularity of football
 
Grendel

Grendel

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dongonzalos said:
When have we been doing relatively well

What was our crowds at that time in relative terms to 25k now.

I would say if it was 19-20 k back then that would be similar to 25k today due to the growth of popularity of football
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More dross with no stats to back it up
 
stupot07

stupot07

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dongonzalos said:
consumer demand remain strong. Average attendances at Premier League games were close to 35,000 in 2011/12

1992-93 Premiership Average attendance21,126

(Ours was 15,000)


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Doesn't tell the whole story though does it.

In 1992/93, old Trafford only held c44k but now holds 75k and is full every week, in fact in 1992-93 they were having work done to the stretford end so capacity was even lower than 44k.

Highbury held c38k, Emirates holds 60k.

Main Road held 35k, Etihad 47k

The Dell - 15k, St Mary's 32.5k

In fact a lot of teams were remodelling their stadiums as clubs were starting to go all seater in the early 90's.

Also it's not the same teams, so it's impossible to accurately compare attendances per se, e.g Wimbledon were in the top flight in 1992/93 but no Newcastle (also had major expansions). Big difference in level of support there.

You've also got the impact of the Champions League, with those competing in it largely having the biggest grounds, they make fans buy season tickets for all games in order to guarantee CL tickets, that's why the emirates was sold out for our game, means capacity home crowds week in week out.


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dongonzalos

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stupot07 said:
Doesn't tell the whole story though does it.

In 1992/93, old Trafford only held c44k but now holds 75k and is full every week, in fact in 1992-93 they were having work done to the stretford end so capacity was even lower than 44k.

Highbury held c38k, Emirates holds 60k.

Main Road held 35k, Etihad 47k

The Dell - 15k, St Mary's 32.5k

In fact a lot of teams were remodelling their stadiums as clubs were starting to go all seater in the early 90's.

Also it's not the same teams, so it's impossible to accurately compare attendances per se, e.g Wimbledon were in the top flight in 1992/93 but no Newcastle (also had major expansions). Big difference in level of support there.

You've also got the impact of the Champions League, with those competing in it largely having the biggest grounds, they make fans buy season tickets for all games in order to guarantee CL tickets, that's why the emirates was sold out for our game, means capacity home crowds week in week out.


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Coventry with an average 19k whilst finishing 17th in the league when attendances were on average lower that today.

If owners don't have an ambition to take that to 24-25k. Questions should be asked.
 
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