Sky Blues turn down accounts discussion (6 Viewers)

[SimonGilbert]

Due to plan to organise their own forum apparently: http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-turns-downs-sky-6798976


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[Nick]

Yes, they rejected the Sky Blue Trust.

I guess the invite is there for ACL / The Council to turn down now he has "said" it publicly?

 

[DaleM]

Looks like Labo isn't going to give up on the trust digs.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

I'd prefer the wider scale forum personally.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I'd prefer the wider scale forum personally.

Because the last large scale forums worked so well...

 

[chiefdave]

So what they're proposing now doesn't sound like what Labovich was offering on CWR. Sounds less about digging into the details of the clubs accounts and more having a go at everyone else. No doubt when the council and / or ACL say they can't attend due to the JR the whole thing will be called off with SISU blaming everyone else.

In any case why does it have to be one or the other, why can't they meet with the Trust and then have a public forum on a wider topic?

 

[chiefdave]

Because the last large scale forums worked so well...

I imagine this is why they prefer it. A meeting with people like OSB would see them tied up in knots unable to justify their course of action from a financial perspective. We all know what the larger forums are like, they can easily brush aside any tricky questions and nothing really gets answered.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I imagine this is why they prefer it. A meeting with people like OSB would see them tied up in knots unable to justify their course of action from a financial perspective. We all know what the larger forums are like, they can easily brush aside any tricky questions and nothing really gets answered.

Probably. The last forums served no purpose other than to give individuals the chance to vent their I WON'T GO TO SIXFIELDS and any vaguely perceptive question was able to be brushed over as they moved on to the next ranter.

 

[spider_ricoh]

They're deliberately trying to draw in ACL/CCC despite the latter making clear they won't comment while the JR is ongoing; trying to paint ACL as the bad guys by not getting involved.

The fact is, that CCFC left the Ricoh and broke the ACL lease, so why should ACL have anything to do with a CCFC fans forum about CCFC finances. Can't have it both ways.

 

[sw88]

Yes, they rejected the Sky Blue Trust.

I guess the invite is there for ACL / The Council to turn down now he has "said" it publicly?

To be honest (and this may be controversial), but what worth would it be the SBTrust meeting the club about accounts? Do they have any accountants on the board / members / anybody who knows about figures and could make sense of what may come from the club?

Unless OSB would be attending, then I take the above back

I could meet the club and talk about the accounts, but wouldn't have a Scooby doo about what meant what, and what was good / bad, and they could probably convince me the bad bits were good etc etc.

 

[chiefdave]

To be honest (and this may be controversial), but what worth would it be the SBTrust meeting the club about accounts? Do they have any accountants on the board / members / anybody who knows about figures and could make sense of what may come from the club?

Unless OSB would be attending, then I take the above back

I could meet the club and talk about the accounts, but wouldn't have a Scooby doo about what meant what, and what was good / bad, and they could probably convince me the bad bits were good etc etc.

If OSB isn't a member I'd quite happily pay his £1 membership if it meant he got to quiz Labovich!

 

[covcity4life]

dont blame them, SBT have proven to be nothing but trouble makers.

 

[shmmeee]

Yes, they rejected the Sky Blue Trust.

I guess the invite is there for ACL / The Council to turn down now he has "said" it publicly?

Would that be the ACL/CCC who have repeatedly stated in public that they have been advised not to talk publicly before the JR?

Come on, was the offer for a fans group to discuss the club's finances or not?

Someone get the exact quote.

 

[spider_ricoh]

dont blame them, SBT have proven to be nothing but trouble makers.

Trying to work out if you have your irony settings on

 

[shmmeee]

To be honest (and this may be controversial), but what worth would it be the SBTrust meeting the club about accounts? Do they have any accountants on the board / members / anybody who knows about figures and could make sense of what may come from the club?

Unless OSB would be attending, then I take the above back

I could meet the club and talk about the accounts, but wouldn't have a Scooby doo about what meant what, and what was good / bad, and they could probably convince me the bad bits were good etc etc.

Not sure what the offer was, but it didn't sound like SBT members only, rather that they would organise what Labovitch promised.

Anyone keeping score on the broken promises by the way? This has to be a record for them from promise to breaking it.

 

[shmmeee]

Trying to work out if you have your irony settings on

No. He's insane. Like UKIP insane.

 

[Astute]

dont blame them, SBT have proven to be nothing but trouble makers.

Is that because they ask SISU questions they don't want to answer?

 

[martcov]

Why can't they just talk about the things that they know most about with the trust? Hopefully their own finances. The ACL/ CCC policies are nothing to do with ML. The constant digs at them seem to be a distraction from the real questions. Which are? - from my point of view: What is the SISU plan? How are they going to finance it? How do they intend making money for the the Investors Joy so much cares for? When are they leaving? The council will not speak before the JR is settled 1. because SISU are destroying themselves quite well through the likes of ML. CCC should just sit and watch. Let him carry on - he's doing great 2. ML says that if you have nothing to hide just tell the truth ( good coming from SISU ), but my lawyer says "say nothing". Only give information when necessary. Just because you are honest, it doesn't mean people won't use the truth against you (e.g. by alterung their tactics or version of events ) . Why let SISU know what cards you are holding? I hope the council wins and although I would like to hear the füll story at some time - including SISU's points - I can unterstand the council's tactic of not wanting a forum before the JR.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Not sure what the offer was, but it didn't sound like SBT members only, rather that they would organise what Labovitch promised.

Don't care what it is anyway.

In an ideal world lock the CCFC accountant up with AN Other accountant who's a member of the Trust, Tim Fisher, and AN Other Investment Banker who's a member of the Trust.

Doesn't have to be pro or anti SISU, can enable an insight into where things going, can even use the hated confidentiality clauses if needs be and info released only if mutually agreed...

But you'd get more insight than person X shouting at Labovitch for being a tool, even if nothing was released from said meeting at all!

 

[sw88]

Not sure what the offer was, but it didn't sound like SBT members only, rather that they would organise what Labovitch promised.

Anyone keeping score on the broken promises by the way? This has to be a record for them from promise to breaking it.

To be honest, I can't see such a 'forum' going ahead. And it won't not go ahead because the club won't take part; it won't go ahead because Ann Lucas and Martin a Reeves will never agree to take part.

So in this instance, I think it's a good move by the club, putting this out in the open. I just hope that if (or more likely when ) the council choose not to take part, the club come out and say this, and not just take the flak.

 

[dongonzalos]

Haven't looked the link yet.
He was asked a question about finances and accounts in the interview.
If I recall it correctly he said it is important to arrange a public forum with the fans to discuss these questions and explain the accounts finances etc...
With him Steve Waggot and Steve Brookfield

I am paraphrasing but I am sure that was the gist.

I assume the response now is different?

 

[sw88]

Haven't looked the link yet.
He was asked a question about finances and accounts in the interview.
If I recall it correctly he said it is important to arrange a public forum with the fans to discuss these questions and explain the accounts finances etc...
With him Steve Waggot and Steve Brookfield

I am paraphrasing but I am sure that was the gist.

I assume the response now is different?

He wants to arrange one with Ann Lucas and Martin Reeves also present.

I'm not so sure that such a forum would concentrate only on the clubs accounts, and would turn more into a 'he said she said' debate, with the 'no I didn't say xxxx' reply.

But it would be good to get all parties in one room together. But I can't see it happening tbh

 

[shmmeee]

He wants to arrange one with Ann Lucas and Martin Reeves also present.

I'm not so sure that such a forum would concentrate only on the clubs accounts, and would turn more into a 'he said she said' debate, with the 'no I didn't say xxxx' reply.

But it would be good to get all parties in one room together. But I can't see it happening tbh

It would be lovely, but it wasn't what he offered live on the radio.

 

[shmmeee]

Don't care what it is anyway.

In an ideal world lock the CCFC accountant up with AN Other accountant who's a member of the Trust, Tim Fisher, and AN Other Investment Banker who's a member of the Trust.

Doesn't have to be pro or anti SISU, can enable an insight into where things going, can even use the hated confidentiality clauses if needs be and info released only if mutually agreed...

But you'd get more insight than person X shouting at Labovitch for being a tool, even if nothing was released from said meeting at all!

Oh I totally agree. I said in the original thread that I'd rather have 4 or 5 fans selected for their knowledge (lawyer, accountant, etc.) than an open forum. My point was that the original offer from Labovitch was for a fans forum with him, Waggott and the accountant to talk about the details of the finances. Not an open meeting about the Ricoh.

 

[wingy]

Better off this way
Nothing to be gained by giving the Clowns oxygen just like everything else
I don't need to hear a syllable of anything else they spout to know they're losers and are making us and our team losers alongside them

 

[Jack Griffin]

This stance is designed to infer the council are hiding something, they know full well the council will say no thanks.

They don't need an external party to turn up to explain their position to the fans.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Oh I totally agree. I said in the original thread that I'd rather have 4 or 5 fans selected for their knowledge (lawyer, accountant, etc.) than an open forum. My point was that the original offer from Labovitch was for a fans forum with him, Waggott and the accountant to talk about the details of the finances. Not an open meeting about the Ricoh.

Yeah Ricoh's pretty irrelevant in all this.

Well... not irrelevant, but you know what I mean(!)

If the investment plan (not necessarily the accounting plan) stacks up, then other things fall into place anyway...

 

[Noggin]

It would be lovely, but it wasn't what he offered live on the radio.

he was misquoted, we all heard wrong.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Because the last large scale forums worked so well...

The last forums were just a slandering exercise.

 

[Nick]

I do agree that it would be good to have OSB and other people who can actually debate to have a meeting. It wouldn't mean much to most of us anyway if it was on the radio or would they just be forced to do it in confidence?

It is so easy for Fisher etc when there are just people heckling and jeering and being shouty, they could deal with that all day.

It is the real hard questions that they should be getting and putting them on the spot.

 

[shmmeee]

I think we're getting a lot of questions from fans about so many aspects. My personal view is, we should hold an open forum, with the board of the club with Steve Waggott to [...] talk about the squad and investment in the squad and Brookfield to answer detailed financial questions on the accounts. [...] We can address all those questions, it's going to be very very boring to go into all this on a radio program.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01s2fkk start at 25:30

Typed that direct.

 

[Jack Griffin]

Doesn't it seems that every time Labovich opens his mouth he puts his foot in it and has to retract something or other he has said.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Open forum = bad.

Also in this context, even worse if it's with Waggott about investment in the squad. Imagine the questions! "Look mate, why haven't we signed Messi in the last window, and are we going to in the next?!?"

 

[Noggin]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01s2fkk start at 25:30

Typed that direct.

sorry mate if that was directed at me my humour is obviously too subtle, sorry if you've gone to effort because of my attempt at a joke.

 

[shmmeee]

I do agree that it would be good to have OSB and other people who can actually debate to have a meeting. It wouldn't mean much to most of us anyway if it was on the radio or would they just be forced to do it in confidence?

It is so easy for Fisher etc when there are just people heckling and jeering and being shouty, they could deal with that all day.

It is the real hard questions that they should be getting and putting them on the spot.

To be honest, despite his protestations about it being boring. I'd have it on the radio with Eakin or similar and maybe some questions selected from fans and perhaps a fans rep to give right of reply.