Statement Issued By Sky Blue Trust (5 Viewers)

[chiefdave]

and why jump into bed with Garlic ?

It's very simple, the trust are the largest representative group of supporters and if they have a vote on something they go with the result rather than just doing what the handful of more active members and / or board members think. Not sure why that is viewed as a bad thing. This is the statement they posted on their website

As many of you will be aware Ms Sandra Garlick has formed an independent committee to look at what supporters might want if a new stadium was to be built. We asked you if you felt the SBT should be part of this committee and the overwhelming majority voted for participation. We informed Ms Garlick that the near on 3,000 members of the Trust wished to be represented on her committee but unfortunately she has rejected your request.

 

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[Jack Griffin]

I smell a rat within the Trust leadership. And I dont think I could Trust them . Is there a Trust member on to confirm this ? and why jump into bed with Garlic ?

I tried to vote against the idea, but my email bounced, so my voice was never heard. I know of a couple of others who said the same.

 

[DaleM]

It's very simple, the trust are the largest representative group of supporters and if they have a vote on something they go with the result rather than just doing what the handful of more active members and / or board members think. Not sure why that is viewed as a bad thing. This is the statement they posted on their website

As it should be . The Trust should be on the stadium forum but after Labo's attempted character assassination at the SCG it seems SISU are determined to alienate them . What's the odds they will be thrown off the SCG too ?

PSGM1 will be loving this . Oh how I miss his insane ramblings.

 

[Covcraig@bury]

@chiefdave
That's my point. the "new stadium" will be outside Coventry if it ever comes off (NOT) But the Trust want CCFC back in the City ??? or have they forgotten what they are fighting for!!!! They ether want cov back in cov or they just want to get a seat at the table .
They need to make there minds up.
I want CCFC back at the Ricoh and nothing else, like the majority of SBA. So its beggers belief the Trust even thought about getting on a committee with Garlic

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

@chiefdave
That's my point. the "new stadium" will be outside Coventry if it ever comes off (NOT) But the Trust want CCFC back in the City ??? or have they forgotten what they are fighting for!!!! They ether want cov back in cov or they just want to get a seat at the table .
They need to make there minds up.
I want CCFC back at the Ricoh and nothing else, like the majority of SBA. So its beggers belief the Trust even thought about getting on a committee with Garlic

This is the problem with a democracy

 

[Covcraig@bury]

This is the problem with a democracy

Vladimir Putin

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Vladimir Putin

He'd soon get us back after all we are just a football team

 

[chiefdave]

@chiefdave
That's my point. the "new stadium" will be outside Coventry if it ever comes off (NOT) But the Trust want CCFC back in the City ??? or have they forgotten what they are fighting for!!!! They ether want cov back in cov or they just want to get a seat at the table .
They need to make there minds up.
I want CCFC back at the Ricoh and nothing else, like the majority of SBA. So its beggers belief the Trust even thought about getting on a committee with Garlic

I don't have the emails to hand but I seem to recall them making it very clear that if they got involved in the new stadium group they would do so while being clear that they opposed a stadium outside Coventry. What do you suggest, that they ignore the wishes of their members?

 

[James Smith]

I may be getting the offers mixed up but I think the latest offer was of free for the rest of this season then £150K for the next two seasons and then we move into our new ground, well according to SISU anyway.

That offer was made through the FL I think after Labovich's 'I can't hear you' rubbish when ACL offer a £150K a season 10 year rolling deal.

This was the meeting wasn't it where Mr Labovitch was puzzled about PWKH representing the Higgs Centre when he's a director of ACL. This being a slightly odd thing to be confused about when you consider that Mr Labovitch himself was representing one company of at least two of which he was a director of at the meeting.

 

[Jack Griffin]

This was the meeting wasn't it where Mr Labovitch was puzzled about PWKH representing the Higgs Centre when he's a director of ACL. This being a slightly odd thing to be confused about when you consider that Mr Labovitch himself was representing one company of at least two of which he was a director of at the meeting.

Maybe he is like Worzel Gummidge & just didn't have the right head on that day?

 

[James Smith]

Maybe he is like Worzel Gummidge & just didn't have the right head on that day?

Does that make Joy into Aunt Sally?

 

[Grendel]

Does that make Joy into Aunt Sally?

I would imagine jack would be more suited to that role to be fair.

 

[skybluetony176]

Does that make Joy into Aunt Sally?

So who's the crow man?

 

[Covcraig@bury]

What gets me is the Trust only represent it's members and not the majority of fans. To me Michael of KCIC has done more than the entire Trust membership. I hate to say this but I really do think the select few on the Trust are in it for them selfs . They are very quiet !!!

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

What gets me is the Trust only represent it's members and not the majority of fans. To me Michael of KCIC has done more than the entire Trust membership. I hate to say this but I really do think the select few on the Trust are in it for them selfs . They are very quiet !!!

Why what do they get,except people like you slagging them off that is

 

[shmmeee]

I smell a rat within the Trust leadership. And I dont think I could Trust them . Is there a Trust member on to confirm this ? and why jump into bed with Garlic ?

I also applied to go on the forum. I'm vehemently against a move outside Cov, but remember that officially it's not confirmed to be outside Cov. But more importantly I wanted visibility of their plans and influence on any ground should it actually happen.

As stated, AFAIK the Trust asked the membership (as they have on every contentious issue to my mind) and the membership requested they be involved. Considering the rhetoric coming from the club recently and what happened when they Trust (on advice of their membership) refused to support the ground share, I expect the board didn't want to give the club a chance to distance themselves further. They have already basically replaced the chair because of the clubs accusations.

As I said, I went and the tone from both Steve and Jan was spot on IMO they gave the impression that they don't support a move outside Cov but want to represent their members on the design of any new home.

However, it's all academic because Garlick decided not to have any Trust members on the commitee. Because she's totally independent and not at all influenced by the club.

Do find it hilarious that they are now being accused of being in bed with both the club and the council at the same time. Love it. Must be doing something right guys.

 

[shmmeee]

What gets me is the Trust only represent it's members and not the majority of fans. To me Michael of KCIC has done more than the entire Trust membership. I hate to say this but I really do think the select few on the Trust are in it for them selfs . They are very quiet !!!

Several thousand fans out of a 10-11k base is "a select few"???

Edit: Worth noting the Trust membership list is double the average home attendance.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Can only influence from within.

Standing outside and shouting guarantees failure. Standing within may also result in failure... but at least brings awareness of what is set to happen.

Personally am very pleased they seem to have got their act together somewhat, and are coming across a lot more professional than at times before.

And with professionalism comes trust...

 

[shmmeee]

Can only influence from within.

Standing outside and shouting guarantees failure. Standing within may also result in failure... but at least brings awareness of what is set to happen.

Personally am very pleased they seem to have got their act together somewhat, and are coming across a lot more professional than at times before.

And with professionalism comes trust...

Except as this thread proves, it doesn't. And as repeated encounters with Sisu have proven, it simply shows your willing to compromise your principles and invites further requests for concession.

It's a fine line to tread and I'm not sure they've got it right yet to be honest. (Edit: I mean all previous positions - would like to see a little more bite with the current "professionalism". The fans strength is passion not marketing savvy)

 

[letsallsingtogether]

More then can be said for sisu and there heavy handed / but we will listen to you so we can ignore you and laugh at you Attitude.

Can only influence from within.

Standing outside and shouting guarantees failure. Standing within may also result in failure... but at least brings awareness of what is set to happen.

Personally am very pleased they seem to have got their act together somewhat, and are coming across a lot more professional than at times before.

And with professionalism comes trust...

 

[Houdi]

I presume the Sky Blue Trust have received no more legal threats from the club, I wonder if they have carried out their threat to take legal action against the Guardian newspaper, or if the threat was quietly dropped.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Except as this thread proves, it doesn't. And as repeated encounters with Sisu have proven, it simply shows your willing to compromise your principles and invites further requests for concession.

You don't have to compromise your principls to talk to people...

A reasonable person/organisation shows themselves open to all ideas/principles/opportunities/directions, and gives their 'opponent' the opportunity to show themselves reasonable also...

Or otherwise.

Show, rather than tell.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Back of a fag packet calculation folks:

Assuming all other income at the Ricoh would be the same as it is in Northampton (unlikely) and that including ST holders the average fan pays £20 a game:

Income at Sixfields= 1,500 x 23 x 20= £700k. Net after a rent of £200k= £500k.

Income at Ricoh on last year's average crowd= 11,000 x 23 x 20= £5.1m.

ACL could charge £4m and we would still have a bigger surplus left over than if we were at Northampton based on ticket revenue alone.

 

[shmmeee]

You don't have to compromise your principls to talk to people...

A reasonable person/organisation shows themselves open to all ideas/principles/opportunities/directions, and gives their 'opponent' the opportunity to show themselves reasonable also...

Or otherwise.

Show, rather than tell.

When did they ever not? Don't take Labovitchs word for everything. I stand to be corrected but AFAIK all communication from the Trust went to all parties. I saw the non answers from the club, the unanswered requests. This idea the Trust caused the rift is a fiction and one being accelerated ironically since the Trust were overtly "open" to the club.

 

[Steve.B50]

Just reading the thread and logged on, I am on Trust Board. What would you like to know Craig?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

When did they ever not? Don't take Labovitchs word for everything. I stand to be corrected but AFAIK all communication from the Trust went to all parties. I saw the non answers from the club, the unanswered requests. This idea the Trust caused the rift is a fiction and one being accelerated ironically since the Trust were overtly "open" to the club.

The thought of me taking a CCFC director's word is mildly amusing...

Some of the 'press releases' were somewhat shouty rambling (dare I sake it) came across as drunken posts in random fonts.

That's certainly been tidied up, thankfully!

But as you say, the club oppose when they do tidy that up. I'd see a reason for that, that suggests they're doing something right...

 

[Covcraig@bury]

Steve, I'm not having a go at the trust . It's gone very quiet.
My question was why on earth would the trust who represent 300o fans who only want to KCIC try and jump in bed with Sandra Garlic and her select committee on the proposed new ground that could be outside Coventry. It goes totally against what the majority of cov fans want. Looks to me like edging your bets rather than making a stand !

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

I presume the Sky Blue Trust have received no more legal threats from the club, I wonder if they have carried out their threat to take legal action against the Guardian newspaper, or if the threat was quietly dropped.

You mean when they tried to take on an opponent that they couldn't bully?????

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Do not some of the trust members not go to Northampton then?

You don't have to be one way or the other to be a trust member.
I for one did not vote that was my prerogative, I will not go to any ground outside Cov for home games, but its up to others what they do therefore I do not want a say in their shed .

Steve, I'm not having a go at the trust . It's gone very quiet.
My question was why on earth would the trust who represent 300o fans who only want to KCIC try and jump in bed with Sandra Garlic and her select committee on the proposed new ground that could be outside Coventry. It goes totally against what the majority of cov fans want. Looks to me like edging your bets rather than making a stand !

 

[Covcraig@bury]

Do not some of the trust members not go to Northampton then?

You don't have to be one way or the other to be a trust member.
I for one did not vote that was my prerogative, I will not go to any ground outside Cov for home games, but its up to others what they do therefore I do not want a say in their shed .

You can not have both! Your ether 100% behind Coventry playing in Coventry or you basically don't give a shit.
IMHO the so called fans going to sixfields are prolonging our agony. But that's my opinion.

 

[stupot07]

Back of a fag packet calculation folks:

Assuming all other income at the Ricoh would be the same as it is in Northampton (unlikely) and that including ST holders the average fan pays £20 a game:

Income at Sixfields= 1,500 x 23 x 20= £700k. Net after a rent of £200k= £500k.

Income at Ricoh on last year's average crowd= 11,000 x 23 x 20= £5.1m.

ACL could charge £4m and we would still have a bigger surplus left over than if we were at Northampton based on ticket revenue alone.

The maths work in principle, however our match receipts income on 10.8k fans and 7-8 home cup games last season was only 2,996,143.....does indicate how low the revenue must be at Sixfields.

 

[duffer]

You mean when they tried to take on an opponent that they couldn't bully?????

What, you mean this article here?

http://www.theguardian.com/football...entry-city-owners-northampton-league-one-sisu

No sign of a retraction - I guess on that basis that SISU's threats of legal action were a tale full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. About time they got called out on this again, I think.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The maths work in principle, however our match receipts income on 10.8k fans and 7-8 home cup games last season was only 2,996,143.....does indicate how low the revenue must be at Sixfields.

Does that include STs?

 

[wingy]

Does that include STs?

It means after discounting a St produces around £10-£11 per match income ,coupled with Interest to Ticketus possibly reducing further ,no wonder we were getting in the Shit.

By the way you owe me a Pie .
remember that thread last year where we both guessed at turnover ,Projected £6.5M. Actual £6.6M.
Not bad eh??

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

It means after discounting a St produces around £10-£11 per match income ,coupled with Interest to Ticketus possibly reducing further ,no wonder we were getting in the Shit.

By the way you owe me a Pie .
remember that thread last year where we both guessed at turnover ,Projected £6.5M. Actual £6.6M.
Not bad eh??

Which thread? If you're going to Crewe I'll happily get you a pie.