Pressleys Record at Cov (3 Viewers)

[shmmeee]

I think he's about as good as Robins, and like Robins benefitted from having a striker (or two) going through a purple patch.

Like Robins, the test will be can he do it next season without Clarke, and if he does, will the owners let our top scorer go in January for the 5th season running?

 

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[Sick Boy]

Oh god, he actually winces at the end of that video!

Not surpised the win aerage is low - when he joined the season was tailing off and we were clearly going to end mid-table, the players sensed that and results showed this. Same is happening this season. Wouldn't blame him forthat, blame the owners for inflicting two consecutive ten point penalties on the team.

You can also thank ACL for that as well. I'm not sure how many other club's fans would have so much love for such a company. Typical self-loathing from our lot.

 

[Noggin]

He has only had 4 really good months when you look at results. Surprised he isn't getting a lot more stick to be honest.

Really hope sisu don't get an itchy trigger finger as we edge towards relegation. We need a bit of consistency in the managers position if nothing else.

which is 4 more months than we should have expected playing in northampton, with a paper thin squad of kids, selling our best players, refusing to play other decent players so they had to leave and fleshing out our squad with desperation loans and freebies. The guy has worked miracles, that said im giving him the credit that the bomb squad was very little to do with him. Some of the things he says though, while I appreciate the optimism borders on delusion.

Our form for the last 12 games though if done throughout the season to this point would put us bottom of the table even if we hadn't had 10 points deducted, so with that we'd be seriously adrift. We'd have 21 points if we'd played the same as Notts County. Next season our team is likely to be significantly worse if we lose Moosa, Christie, Murphy and god forbid Wilson. So this is what we have to look forward too, Rock Bottom of the table.

Our form for our last 8 is even worse, we'd be on 13 points from 37 games, 18 adrift at the bottom of the table. if that had been our entire season.

 

[Gint11]

Must say, I thought it was better than this....

Games 53

Won 20


Drawn 15

Lost 18

To lose only 18 times in 53 games is a massive achievement under the circumstances SP has had to face. For me, the best manager we've had in years.

 

[spider_ricoh]

You can also thank ACL for that as well. I'm not sure how many other club's fans would have so much love for such a company. Typical self-loathing from our lot.

Not true - there's no love for ACL but everyone can see through SISU's words and what they're demanding of a third party, who have no obligation whatsoever to CCFC to make concessions, is entirely unreasonable. When people point out this smokescreen, they get accused of being self-loathing and "loving" ACL.

 

[ollyservetta]

I will make me mind up to an extent against Brentford ,they batterd us at sixfields ,with the tatics we played that day, we were never going to win the ball in their half ,let alone the game .if SP hasnt learnt anything ,we are in for a battering .

 

[thaiskyblue]

How can anybody judge a manger working here, it is totally not fair, Pressley said he didn't want loanees , now that is what we have, the owners are a joke, judge them not a manger who has done a great job in a total shambles of a club.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Not true - there's no love for ACL but everyone can see through SISU's words and what they're demanding of a third party, who have no obligation whatsoever to CCFC to make concessions, is entirely unreasonable. When people point out this smokescreen, they get accused of being self-loathing and "loving" ACL.

Why not? Was the stadium purpose built for ACL or purpose built for CCFC?

 

[thaiskyblue]

Why not? Was the stadium purpose built for ACL or purpose built for CCFC?

or for the good of ccfc, not sisu ?

 

[ahccfc]

That doesn't necessarily mean the new manager is better. More asked built a young squad, they are now 1 year more developed and experienced. I know they lost Taylor in the summer but they may have used that money (and compensation from us getting Pressley) to buy 1 or 2 key players that have improved the squad. The squad and starting 11 may be different to the Pressley had. The teams relegated into that league may not have been as strong as the ones promoted and hence not stretching the lead. Perhaps there was an injury crisis which coincided with a poor patch under Pressley and the new manager has been luckier in terms of injuries this season. Lots of potential variables.


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That may be true, but also can't you also say the same thing for Pressley at Cov? If you cannot attribute the players improving under Holt because they were "developed" under Pressley, then surely to be consistent you then must attribute the success at cov to Robins Thorn & Rioch!

You cannot have it both ways! If Pressly is responsible for getting the most out of the squad this season, then you have to accept that Holt is getting the best out of his. And as such you would be forced to conclude Holt is doing a better job than Pressley! Otherwise you are not consistent in your conclusions, and therefore the conclusions cannot have any merit!

How do you know how much Falkirk have allowed the manager to spend? Besides Pressley has hardly been denied signing players has he!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

That may be true, but also can't you also say the same thing for Pressley at Cov? If you cannot attribute the players improving under Holt because they were "developed" under Pressley, then surely to be consistent you then must attribute the success at cov to Robins Thorn & Rioch!

You cannot have it both ways! If Pressly is responsible for getting the most out of the squad this season, then you have to accept that Holt is getting the best out of his. And as such you would be forced to conclude Holt is doing a better job than Pressley! Otherwise you are not consistent in your conclusions, and therefore the conclusions cannot have any merit!

How do you know how much Falkirk have allowed the manager to spend? Besides Pressley has hardly been denied signing players has he!

I'd say there is little difference in the strength of Falkirk's league compared to last season however what might be accurate to say is that Pressley did a lot of the ground work in getting an established team together which made his successor's job a bit easier. It also helps that 2nd place now also has a chance of promotion so there's a bit more of an incentive for teams which wasn't there before.

 

[The Prefect]

Why not? Was the stadium purpose built for ACL or purpose built for CCFC?

CCFC couldn't afford to develop the stadium and it would never have been built if it wasn't for third parties.

When in need of money the club sold it's rights to match day income for a few quid. The club protected some of its rights with contractual buy-back clauses that were never exercised.

The club are where they are because that's what they deserve.

 

[fernandopartridge]

CCFC couldn't afford to develop the stadium and it would never have been built if it wasn't for third parties.

When in need of money the club sold it's rights to match day income for a few quid. The club protected some of its rights with contractual buy-back clauses that were never exercised.

The club are where they are because that's what they deserve.

It would never have been built if it wasn't for the club. The council would not have built a stadium on the off chance that they might get the odd Heineken Cup game.

 

[wingy]

It would never have been built if it wasn't for the club. The council would not have built a stadium on the off chance that they might get the odd Heineken Cup game.

They could have gone with Further retail or potentially solely for Exhibitions etc.

 

[stupot07]

That may be true, but also can't you also say the same thing for Pressley at Cov? If you cannot attribute the players improving under Holt because they were "developed" under Pressley, then surely to be consistent you then must attribute the success at cov to Robins Thorn & Rioch!

You cannot have it both ways! If Pressly is responsible for getting the most out of the squad this season, then you have to accept that Holt is getting the best out of his. And as such you would be forced to conclude Holt is doing a better job than Pressley! Otherwise you are not consistent in your conclusions, and therefore the conclusions cannot have any merit!

How do you know how much Falkirk have allowed the manager to spend? Besides Pressley has hardly been denied signing players has he!

I don't know who much Falkirk has allowed the the manager to spend, I do know they got £225k for Taylor and would have had around that in compensation for Pressley. I was just throwing some potential variables out there, for example it's like all this nonsense about Moyes having the same team, without acknowledging that the aging Ferdinand, vidic and Evra are all a year older and in their 30's that makes a difference (marginal gains and losses in performance).

Top wumming though!

I particularly like -

"Besides Pressley has hardly been denied signing players has he!" And "then surely to be consistent you then must attribute the success at cov to Robins Thorn & Rioch!"

Again more variables - I imagine Falkirk's wage structure has been pretty much the same for a couple of years now and pretty stable, unlike Pressley who has had to further reduce the wage bill. In terms of laying foundations Pressley was at Falkirk for over 3 years focused on bringing through youth, can you really compare that with robins 5 months with us?

Yes, we've been flush with cash for signings this year........


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[spider_ricoh]

or for the good of ccfc, not sisu ?

It is owned by ACL whose shareholders paid for its completion - we have no claim to ownership on it at all, and since our owners chose to break the lease, we have got no claim on it at all. It might have our name and badges all over it, but it has nothing to do with us.

To listen to SISU though you'd think they are entitled to own it outright; Labo's comments sound like they think they are entitled to the Ricoh simply because t he club needs it - not true. His repugnant comments on ACL "leeching" food and drink revenues that "they wouldn't have without Coventry City" are demolished if you look at the contract that SISU tore up which states clearly that CCFC have no contractual right to claim these.

 

[fernandopartridge]

They could have gone with Further retail or potentially solely for Exhibitions etc.

I am not saying they couldn't have, but they didn't, as such the stadium was purpose built for CCFC.

 

[stupot07]

They could have gone with Further retail or potentially solely for Exhibitions etc.

Problem is it's all linked and the catalyst was the clubs vision for the new stadium.

If anything it would have become a retail park and maybe housing, I really don't think they'd have built an exhibition centre.


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[dongonzalos]

About 38% win ratio.

Not bad given the constraints.

Some would have you believe win ratios are absolutely everything

However you clearly have to look at the whole picture

 

[torchomatic]

Which is why we should have stayed where we were.

"They"?

CCFC couldn't afford to develop the stadium and it would never have been built if it wasn't for third parties.

When in need of money the club sold it's rights to match day income for a few quid. The club protected some of its rights with contractual buy-back clauses that were never exercised.

The club are where they are because that's what they deserve.

 

[torchomatic]

Agree with this. Obviously winning is the be all and end all of football managers and football clubs. But there is, of course, circumstance to take into account so the picture isn't all as black and white as some would think it is.

Some would have you believe win ratios are absolutely everything

However you clearly have to look at the whole picture

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Some would have you believe win ratios are absolutely everything

However you clearly have to look at the whole picture

Even put into context Thorn, who you are obviously referring to, was a dreadful manager and his subsequent stay at Kidderminster reinforces that.

 

[Jack Griffin]

For me the true ability of a manager should be measured over a reasonable period, SP has had just over 1 season in charge, after 2 more if he is still doing OK then I would be happy to praise him, as it stands the jury is still out.

I see a lot of positive signs but I'm a bit concerned over transfers, too many failures there, is it him or the lack of cash, only way to find out is to see how he performs on bigger budgets, but that isn't gong to happen under present conditions.

 

[ahccfc]

For me the true ability of a manager should be measured over a reasonable period, SP has had just over 1 season in charge, after 2 more if he is still doing OK then I would be happy to praise him, as it stands the jury is still out.

I see a lot of positive signs but I'm a bit concerned over transfers, too many failures there, is it him or the lack of cash, only way to find out is to see how he performs on bigger budgets, but that isn't gong to happen under present conditions.

By that logic Andy Thorn should still be manager! As for signings you saying signing fourteen players in a season is not being allowed to sign anyone? It is you Wumming using that logic.

The defence for Pressley seems to be shell shock from having to sack previous managers. Can you hanf on heart say any of the sackings were unjustified?

If you cant judhe a manager on results what do you judge him on. You are second guessing falkirk but not applying the same standards to cov!

 

[torchomatic]

While I agree with the sentiment of what he says, for example we are hovering above the relegation zone due to many reasons; loss of top goalscorers - one permanently, ten point deduction, etc etc I can't quite agree if he's referring to Thorn who was eventually found out. Kiddy found out a lot sooner to their credit.

Even put into context Thorn, who you are obviously referring to, was a dreadful manager and his subsequent stay at Kidderminster reinforces that.

 

[stupot07]

Agreed - every sacking this club has made, as far back as Adams, has been a knee-jerk rashly made decision.

Except for Coleman who should have been sacked earlier.


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[Brighton Sky Blue]

While I agree with the sentiment of what he says, for example we are hovering above the relegation zone due to many reasons; loss of top goalscorers - one permanently, ten point deduction, etc etc I can't quite agree if he's referring to Thorn who was eventually found out. Kiddy found out a lot sooner to their credit.

In the context of Pressley I think it's perfectly valid, but I don't think it was Pressley he was referring to.

 

[Jack Griffin]

By that logic Andy Thorn should still be manager! As for signings you saying signing fourteen players in a season is not being allowed to sign anyone? It is you Wumming using that logic.

The defence for Pressley seems to be shell shock from having to sack previous managers. Can you hanf on heart say any of the sackings were unjustified?

If you cant judhe a manager on results what do you judge him on. You are second guessing falkirk but not applying the same standards to cov!

Wrong end of the stick mate!

I don't condone sticking with failure or mediocrity. I think my posts on Thorn just before he got the sack were along the lines of - give him 10 games & if nothing improves by then he has to go, SP has done OK, but remember Boothroyd was a hero at Watford on the back of 1 season of glory (got lucky with Ashley Young), since then he has done nothing of note in any job he has been in. So that's why I want to see a longer track record, to eliminate the flash in the pan scenario.

As for players, 14 players sure but probably all cheap options, and a lot have lasted only a short time, that tells me something is rotten somewhere, it is not normal to recruit so many players and then shed them or see them walk out. I think it is finances mainly, rather than SP's judgement, at least he recognised a weakness & has strengthened the scouting team, so he is managing the situation.

 

[torchomatic]

Yes, I see that now. I was sucked in to agreeing with him as I forgot he was a bit of a Thorn junkie.

In the context of Pressley I think it's perfectly valid, but I don't think it was Pressley he was referring to.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Wrong end of the stick mate!

I don't condone sticking with failure or mediocrity. I think my posts on Thorn just before he got the sack were along the lines of - give him 10 games & if nothing improves by then he has to go, SP has done OK, but remember Boothroyd was a hero at Watford on the back of 1 season of glory (got lucky with Ashley Young), since then he has done nothing of note in any job he has been in. So that's why I want to see a longer track record, to eliminate the flash in the pan scenario.

As for players, 14 players sure but probably all cheap options, and a lot have lasted only a short time, that tells me something is rotten somewhere, it is not normal to recruit so many players and then shed them or see them walk out. I think it is finances mainly, rather than SP's judgement, at least he recognised a weakness & has strengthened the scouting team, so he is managing the situation.

Players are being signed to fill gaps and plaster over cracks. Who in their right mind would sign for us on a long term basis?

 

[stupot07]

As for players, 14 players sure but probably all cheap options, and a lot have lasted only a short time, that tells me something is rotten somewhere, it is not normal to recruit so many players and then shed them or see them walk out.

To be fair you can only point to Manset and Slager. The majority of players who arrived and left were on short term loan deals.


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[torchomatic]

Yep, how many did Strachan go through? To me, it shows Pressley won't just have anyone for the sake of it. If they don't fit in then he gets rid. I like that about him.

To be fair you can only point to Manset and Slager. The majority of players who arrived and left were on short term loan deals.


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[ahccfc]

Wrong end of the stick mate!

I don't condone sticking with failure or mediocrity. I think my posts on Thorn just before he got the sack were along the lines of - give him 10 games & if nothing improves by then he has to go, SP has done OK, but remember Boothroyd was a hero at Watford on the back of 1 season of glory (got lucky with Ashley Young), since then he has done nothing of note in any job he has been in. So that's why I want to see a longer track record, to eliminate the flash in the pan scenario.

As for players, 14 players sure but probably all cheap options, and a lot have lasted only a short time, that tells me something is rotten somewhere, it is not normal to recruit so many players and then shed them or see them walk out. I think it is finances mainly, rather than SP's judgement, at least he recognised a weakness & has strengthened the scouting team, so he is managing the situation.

But you said that he should be given 3 years! You also point to Boothroyd having a glory season. To me either you back/ sack a manager based on current performance or you don't. His current form is 2 wins out of 10 - 3 wins in 2014.

Also you again are making an assumption. Didn't Pressleyu go on record praising every single player? Wasn't Slager on trial for weeks and still given a contract?

One or two maybe even three poor signings out of 14 happens, but how many of his signings have performed? Surely it would be better to sign one half decent player then 4 players you know aren't up to task. I just don't buy this exonerating Pressley of all blame. Surely he at least made the final decision. Why sign McGeouch - why is he still in the squad?7

I don't have a problem of getting rid as soon as you realise they aren't up to the task - but that is my point! Why is Pressley allowed 3 years, yet players 3 or 4 weeks! The rationalisation for sticking with Pressley is not based on any fact based reason, only a feeling that they like the manager! If that is the case fine, end of conversation, but my argument is that managers should be at least held as accountable as the players, if not more.

Why is Pressley getting such a free ride? I just don't get it.

 

[thaiskyblue]

But you said that he should be given 3 years! You also point to Boothroyd having a glory season. To me either you back/ sack a manager based on current performance or you don't. His current form is 2 wins out of 10 - 3 wins in 2014.

Also you again are making an assumption. Didn't Pressleyu go on record praising every single player? Wasn't Slager on trial for weeks and still given a contract?

One or two maybe even three poor signings out of 14 happens, but how many of his signings have performed? Surely it would be better to sign one half decent player then 4 players you know aren't up to task. I just don't buy this exonerating Pressley of all blame. Surely he at least made the final decision. Why sign McGeouch - why is he still in the squad?7

I don't have a problem of getting rid as soon as you realise they aren't up to the task - but that is my point! Why is Pressley allowed 3 years, yet players 3 or 4 weeks! The rationalisation for sticking with Pressley is not based on any fact based reason, only a feeling that they like the manager! If that is the case fine, end of conversation, but my argument is that managers should be at least held as accountable as the players, if not more.

Why is Pressley getting such a free ride? I just don't get it.

Have you never heard of our owners ? (their lack of support ).

 

[ccfcway]

Boothroyd was a hero at Watford on the back of 1 season of glory (got lucky with Ashley Young), since then he has done nothing of note in any job he has been in. .

oh well, at least he isnt involved in the England set up !