Higgs vs CCFC Court Row (20 Viewers)

Godiva

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Both. If you are sued you have to counter claim to defend otherwise pay up

Oh don't shoot down the great story about the evil hedge fund suing the poor charity!
 

James Smith

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Is that the most Higgs can win is 29k or lose? Same for SISU, they can win "the sky" or lose "the sky"?

Think Sisu could have counter claimed for millions but judge might be more inclined to dismiss for a silly amount. Higgs may well just be limited to £29k.
 

shmmeee

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Oh don't shoot down the great story about the evil hedge fund suing the poor charity!

What about the evil hedge fund reneging on it's obligations to a charity?

Or the evil hedge fund massively inflating it's costs in said counter claim?

They're still OK right?
 

duffer

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David Conn/Guardian have not been silenced,at least not yet. Their original article is still posted on the Guardian website and they stand by their story.How do I know? DC told me on 28 feb..

Absolutely - sorry I was talking about the threat to the Trust based on them simply linking to the article.

I think it's clear now that SISU aren't going to take The Guardian in court, so clearly it was all about threatening the SBT to keep them quiet rather than actually challenging Conn's article.
 

Rob S

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Is it really as exciting as you are making this seem - you should be a script writer :D Do they wear wigs by the way? (and I don't mean Mr Fisher)

Haha! If I weren't writing to you lot Id be asleep!

20ft square room, mainly taken up with legal people, 12 people watching sat at the back, all in suits/'business attire'.

This makes a council meeting look like prime time viewing.
 

Nick

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What about the evil hedge fund reneging on it's obligations to a charity?

Or the evil hedge fund massively inflating it's costs in said counter claim?

They're still OK right?

Surely this is what this is to find out?
 

skybluetony176

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Yes. Lots of legal people passing things around and rummaging thru files.

I can see the mythical 4000+ pages of emails :)

thats not mythical emails, thats timmy's maccy d's order. hold on....... thats where the litter on the hill came from :D






that is a joke by the way. i am neither suggesting that A) Tim is fat, B) Tim is a litter bug or C) I'm a CCC appologist
 

fernandopartridge

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What about the evil hedge fund reneging on it's obligations to a charity?

Or the evil hedge fund massively inflating it's costs in said counter claim?

They're still OK right?

The case & counter claim is about establishing whether the evil hedge fund did indeed renege or whether the charity did - try and retain some balance eh?

The counter claim does appear excessive though there may be some legal reason behind it.
 

shmmeee

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The case & counter claim is about establishing whether the evil hedge fund did indeed renege or whether the charity did - try and retain some balance eh?

The counter claim does appear excessive though there may be some legal reason behind it.

The point I was (badly) making was that the mere fact of a counter-claim wasn't what had people up in arms. Hence Godiva's rather patronising post didn't make sense.

Of course, it's all up in the air, we know nothing. I'll go back to lurking then (unless anyone else has some allegations about the pensioners in my family).
 

martcov

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If the judge decides that there is no legal case, then what relevant evidence can there be? If there are grounds for a case, then bring in the evidence.
 

skybluetony176

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Both. If you are sued you have to counter claim to defend otherwise pay up

serious question. is it normal to do that before the case against you has even been heard? i would assume you wait for the result first to find out if you have a case for counter claim.
 

shmmeee

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serious question. is it normal to do that before the case against you has even been heard? i would assume you wait for the result first to find out if you have a case for counter claim.

I'd like to know this. Seems a ridiculous law to me, but wouldn't be the first.
 
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@TheSimonGilbert: There's actually eight in Sisu's legal team it seems. Not enough seats on the bench.

Was the new guy a late deadline day signing? Didn't get him registered in time to join the bench.
 

Nick

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If the judge decides that there is no legal case, then what relevant evidence can there be? If there are grounds for a case, then bring in the evidence.

If there is no legal case does he just call all sides dicks and tells them to get out and nobody is getting anything?
 
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I'd like to know this. Seems a ridiculous law to me, but wouldn't be the first.

Put in common sense terms though, tit for tat is about right, isn't it?

If from your POV you have a ridiculous legal case brought against you, you want to try and force a resolution of it beforehand to stop the hassle (a ridiculous counter claim applies pressure there) or aim high in the hope you can settle for a score draw.

It's not really the wrong thing to do. If the initial action is justified they'll win, if it isn't... they won't. Likewise for a counter-claim.

Anyway, watch Judge Judy, she'd save us all a lot of time and money!
 

Rob S

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If the judge decides that there is no legal case, then what relevant evidence can there be? If there are grounds for a case, then bring in the evidence.

Evidence already submitted as part of skeleton arguments submitted prior.

All this is about judge being able to make a decision based on that plus AEHC barristers submission this morning.

Sisu QC wants to call PKH and Harris to the stand, judge might not think he needs to hear it.

Evidence submitted so far should still get out in public (inc. Emails)

Everybody wins? 29k to AEHC, emails in the public domain.

Seems to be coming up to final furlong...
 

fernandopartridge

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Rob S started it! I always thought AMTs were cash dispensers; until I was informed it was an act of supreme feminine benevolence, normally visited upon the fortunate recipient upon birthdays and anniversaries....

That's made me laugh, lends itself to a cracking 'Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' letter to the Torygraph about how standards have slipped
 

AFCCOVENTRY

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@TheSimonGilbert: Contract law being discussed in depth. This is a slow process. Expecting half a day per witness when we get to them. Could be a long trial.
 

Nick

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Evidence already submitted as part of skeleton arguments submitted prior.

All this is about judge being able to make a decision based on that plus AEHC barristers submission this morning.

Sisu QC wants to call PKH and Harris to the stand, judge might not think he needs to hear it.

Evidence submitted so far should still get out in public (inc. Emails)

Everybody wins? 29k to AEHC, emails in the public domain.

Seems to be coming up to final furlong...

Emails to help with the JR?
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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@TheSimonGilbert: There's actually eight in Sisu's legal team it seems. Not enough seats on the bench.

Maybe they're using lawyers in the same style as the 'run back goalie' you'd have when short of numbers when having a kick about at school? Hard to track exact numbers...
 

Rob S

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were both sides acting in good faith during negotiations? Did either side want to make a deal?
 

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