Higgs vs CCFC Court Row (38 Viewers)

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Jack Griffin

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This revelation about SISU threatening to pull the plug seems to have made it into the media at the time.. http://www.theguardian.com/football...ort-blog/2012/apr/26/coventry-city-relegation

Coventry City dice with death as relegation sets out a bleak future

An ill-fated move to a new stadium they could not afford to rent even in the Championship leaves the Sky Blues in dire danger

David Conn, guardian.co.uk, Thursday 26 April 2012 15.58 BST


Coventry City's fall from the Championship on Saturday prompted reflections immediately on the club's 34 years in the top flight, from the 1967 promotion managed by Jimmy Hill, to relegation under Gordon Strachan as recently as 2001. Yet it is partly a legacy of overspending on players to stay in the Premier League, just as wages were becoming galactic, and debts run up after relegation that have landed the Sky Blues in this genuine crisis.

Coventry have been relegated to League One with a threadbare team. Merely tenants in their Ricoh Arena home, they have defaulted on the rent, and the club's venture capitalist owners, Sisu, are considering pulling their funding. Coventry city council, which funded the arena's construction and is its 50% owner, is rejecting Sisu's requests to reduce the £1.2m annual rent, and calling on the financiers to sell the club if they cannot improve its calamitous fortunes.

"Sisu have allowed experienced players to leave, losing the backbone of the team, there is constant change of executives running the club, they say they are losing £500,000 a month yet identify the £100,000-a-month rent as the root of their problems," says John Mutton, Labour leader of the council. "If they cannot return Coventry City into a successful club, they should go now and let others pick up the pieces."

Tim Fisher, the latest chief executive hired in December by Sisu to try to salvage £30m lost since buying the club as a planned Premier League-returning investment in 2008, accepts that selling more seasoned players last summer – including the centre-half Ben Turner and midfielder Aron Gunarsson, both to Cardiff City – then having to overplay promising young players this season under Andy Thorn as manager has been self-defeating. The club lost £6m in the year to 31 May 2010, its most recently published accounts, and the accounts for 2011, statutorily due on 29 February, have still not been filed. This, explains Fisher, is because Sisu are pondering whether to continue funding the club as a going concern.

That is prompting anxiety not only among fans jaded by a decade of decline, but City's staff, who have seen the swingeing job cuts when clubs fall into administration, while players' wages are protected. Fisher sought to rally the staff after the 2-0 home defeat by Doncaster Rovers that consigned Coventry to relegation, and says he is striving to keep Sisu committed.

"My key role is to convince the owner to finance this asset," says Fisher, who is a banker specialising in financially "distressed" companies. "Coventry City is a fallen angel, a Premiership brand now in the third tier. The club has an incredibly loyal fan base and I am confident in telling the owners that if they continue to fund it, it will bounce back to the Championship."

Fisher says he withheld the £100,000 rent for last month in an effort to "focus minds" on what he claims are its "unsustainable" terms. City not only pay the hefty rent to play in the arena, but receive none of the income from the advertising, food, drink or other events at a venue of sufficient quality to be hosting Olympic football matches this summer.

Mutton painstakingly recites the grim history of the club's botched move to the Ricoh when City had debts of more than £50m and were shipping further losses. After 2001's relegation coveted players including Craig Bellamy and Chris Kirkland were sold but still the debts swelled. The money from selling Highfield Road was not huge and the club could not ultimately finance either buying the land it had identified for the arena, nor building it. Asked to provide necessary funding, the council did so, for a 50% share in the arena management company. The club could not even buy the other half, so a charity associated with a director, Derek Higgs, bought 50%, and the club, when it finally entered the stadium in 2005, did so as a tenant, always on these same terms. The club still has the right to buy the Higgs charity's stake, but has never exercised it.

Fisher says he needs the rent and terms reduced to give the club a chance of firm foundations, with £1.2m a year very difficult for a League One club to pay, but Mutton derides that idea as half-baked and would lead only to the arena becoming loss-making as well. He argues that local businessmen Gary Hoffman and Joe Elliott are prepared to take over, if Sisu pull out, depending on the state the club is in.

"If Sisu cannot invest to enable the club to be successful again, they should cut their losses now," says the council leader, uncompromisingly. Sisu, silent at present, are considering whether to stay involved at all.

In the meantime Coventry, whose survival in the top flight warmed the soul of sentimentalists, are down in the third tier for the first time since promotion in 1964.
 

Godiva

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I'd like someone to spell It out ,but the Article I read Les Reids ,Stated SISU were to pay off the loan For £7M. and take the Higgs share as part of a package .
To me this friction over the CCC valuation of the Higgs share suggests It was CCC's responsibility to settle with them ,you can see why this never went through If say Higgs were only going to get sub their 'initial investment. Ultimately for the price of Higgs direct to SISU there would be no mortgage on the Stadium with CCC out say another £3-4M and Higgs out by £2-£3M.

Maybe the HoT will be made public now? Could possibly tell us how much Higgs expected to receive for their shares.
 

cloughie

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Ah yes they've made millions out of the goldmine called CCFC.

Try reading the company accounts, .............management fees several millions and interest payment several millions which are above the investment rates you or anyone else could get
 

Godiva

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Try reading the company accounts, .............management fees several millions and interest payment several millions which are above the investment rates you or anyone else could get

ahh - the old favourite: Management Fees!
 

cloughie

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and I bet you wish you had investments charging there interest rates

closer to wonga.com than market rates
 

Godiva

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You see what i'm getting at again though Godiva ?

I do.
But we have never been told how the 'package' was suppose to be constructed.
I think one part was sisu buying the mortgage at somewhere around £8m, then buy Higgs shares at the formula price around £8m and then finally the CCC shares at £8m - in total around £25m give or take a couple.
The HoT may tell a totally different story?
 

Godiva

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and I bet you wish you had investments charging there interest rates

closer to wonga.com than market rates

No, I prefer interest on my investments paid out in cash.
 

Rusty Trombone

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I do.
But we have never been told how the 'package' was suppose to be constructed.
I think one part was sisu buying the mortgage at somewhere around £8m, then buy Higgs shares at the formula price around £8m and then finally the CCC shares at £8m - in total around £25m give or take a couple.
The HoT may tell a totally different story?

I think osb58 pointed out earlier that the formula price agreement didn't apply because the club were in arrears with the rent. This meant the club couldn't buy using the formula.

This isn't to say SISU couldn't have offered an amount equal to that of the formula, just that the agreement couldn't be enacted.
 

Godiva

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I think osb58 pointed out earlier that the formula price agreement didn't apply because the club were in arrears with the rent. This meant the club couldn't buy using the formula.

This isn't to say SISU couldn't have offered an amount equal to that of the formula, just that the agreement couldn't be enacted.

If any deal had been struck I am sure the club would have been 'allowed' to buy the shares.
 

cloughie

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No, I prefer interest on my investments paid out in cash.
And so they haven't received those interest payments is that what your saying,

Yes we are all thick , not up to your patronising insights

and I know thats why the fantasy debt figure rises at wonga rates

We do know how they manipulated the large debt figure
 

tisza

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If the mortgage was available for 8 million why did it end up costing the council 14 million? At what point did the council discuss selling their part of the acl to SISU for 8 million?
 

Godiva

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And so they haven't received those interest payments is that what your saying,

No, that is what OSB is saying:

loans from SISU investors total 28,554,312 compared to 28,554,706 in 2012. So no additional funds from them. Interest of 456,667 is included in the accruals (creditors) relating to these loans (2012 was 256,667)
- ARVO loans stand at 11,653,000 (6,275,000 in 2012 was in CCFCH). Interest included in the accruals (creditors ie charged but not paid out by 31/05/13) was £1,328,417 (in 2012 accounts it was 218,893). There is also a further loan from ARVO £1.75m that remains unchanged from 2012. Interest on this second loan has been accrued at 233,333 in 2013 (2012 33,333)
 

Godiva

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If the mortgage was available for 8 million why did it end up costing the council 14 million? At what point did the council discuss selling their part of the acl to SISU for 8 million?

The value of the distressed mortgage was discussed here back then with figures between £5m and £8m. CCC paying OTT is not only poor business it's also a waste of public funds.
CCC never to my knowledge discussed selling their shares for £8m - it was part of my reasoning back then. And in fact many have said sisu should first buy Higgs shares then negotiate to buy CCC's shares. As Higgs and CCC have the exact same amount of shares it is reasonable to believe the price for each half would be the same?
 

martcov

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If the mortgage was available for 8 million why did it end up costing the council 14 million? At what point did the council discuss selling their part of the acl to SISU for 8 million?

I don't think YB offered it as 8 Million. The "Queen of debt" wanted YB to cave in at 8 or get nothing. Question of legality and of future credit rating for CCC.
 

James Smith

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The value of the distressed mortgage was discussed here back then with figures between £5m and £8m. CCC paying OTT is not only poor business it's also a waste of public funds.
CCC never to my knowledge discussed selling their shares for £8m - it was part of my reasoning back then. And in fact many have said sisu should first buy Higgs shares then negotiate to buy CCC's shares. As Higgs and CCC have the exact same amount of shares it is reasonable to believe the price for each half would be the same?

What I have never understood is why the financial wizards at Sisu didn't do what the previous board didn't do through lack of funds which was buy the Higgs share of ACL when they took over and negotiate a lower rent. I'm not claiming to be any sort of expert but it seems to me that the first thing you needed to do was get the fixed costs down given the financial state of our club.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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What I have never understood is why the financial wizards at Sisu didn't do what the previous board didn't do through lack of funds which was buy the Higgs share of ACL when they took over and negotiate a lower rent. I'm not claiming to be any sort of expert but it seems to me that the first thing you needed to do was get the fixed costs down given the financial state of our club.

We didn't need to buy a stake in ACL to get access to the revenues. Buy out ACL's stake in IEC, buy out Compass' stake, and you have access to the revenues the place makes all year round.
 

Tonylinc

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I'm just pleased that someone has finally seen through Shitzu and put an end to their crap. I only now hope that the Judge in the JR is equally as able.
 

mark82

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You're making the 638th post on this and you're asking whether anyone cares?

It is fairly irrelevant in terms of the football club. In comparison to the JR at least. It is interesting to see what comes out of it though in terms of evidence one way or another. May give indicators as to what sisus JR arguments could be.
 

James Smith

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We didn't need to buy a stake in ACL to get access to the revenues. Buy out ACL's stake in IEC, buy out Compass' stake, and you have access to the revenues the place makes all year round.

Was IEC in existence when Sisu came in and acquired us? Would suspect that the cost of buying the Higgs share would have been cheaper then too. :facepalm:
 
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