Oh dear! Embarrassing backtrack, Mr Sisu!!! LOL!
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Oh dear! Embarrassing backtrack, Mr Sisu!!! LOL!
whiteheadj
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I don't get why some of you people are jumping up and down about. This is one side of the argument. Let's face it sisu have never told the truth before so what's going to make them change?
And if you are stupid enough to believe they are actually interested in the football club then well that says it all.
Sisu are a business that takes people and company's to court to distress them into selling them something or making them go bust. Come on now people stop being so silly.
And on another note even if sisu win the jr they will sue the council and guess who'll be paying the bill.........hmmmmm look at the big picture people.
And if you are stupid enough to believe they are actually interested in the football club then well that says it all.
Sisu are a business that takes people and company's to court to distress them into selling them something or making them go bust. Come on now people stop being so silly.
And on another note even if sisu win the jr they will sue the council and guess who'll be paying the bill.........hmmmmm look at the big picture people.
dongonzalos
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It depends on the argument I guess, maybe the "I am proud of the Council / ACL" posts will stop though
I am proud of our Council. Proud of our Charity ashamed by our owners.
This was before the hearing and now in light of the evidence after it.
Football club perform badly on pitch due to actions of owners (admitted by themselves) =
Relegation.
Relegation + Rent strike = fall in the value of money that a local charity put in to bail out football club.
Two factors caused by our owners devalue the product a charity bought.
Due to relegation (caused by owners) rent is way too high.
Owners offer a good rent under the circumstances for a venue like the Ricoh.
Owner offers 2 million to a charity for a product that the owners actions have devalued.
Charity set to lose a fair few million.
Council see owner threatening to pull plug in club unless 2 million offer is accepted.
Council approach charity and say here is another way round it.
However we need to keep it quite from the owners otherwise they will ruin it.
This way the charity may not lose millions.
There is no legal requirement to tell SISU.
They were getting bullied into a corner and came out fighting so I am proud of them.
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stupot07
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Can't be arsed to comment on every point, but the rent was too high regardless of getting relegated.
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dongonzalos
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Nick
Administrator
Surely if they win then the council will have done something wrong and they are the ones you should be annoyed at?
covcity4life
Well-Known Member
looks like you are focused on the other side of the argument?
dongonzalos
Well-Known Member
Can't be arsed to comment on every point, but the rent was too high regardless of getting relegated.
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'Way' too high
whiteheadj
New Member
By no means am I saying ccc are squeaky clean far from it but, these people who seem to want the jr to go in sisu's way are missing the big picture as it will be the hard working people of coventry who pay... Year again.
Yet again may I ask why people think ccfc is different compared to how sisu normally run business? And let's face it I read that document and I'm sure ccc lawyers have a similar document that would make sisu look stupid.
I can't help think - but I may be wrong and will of course apologize if necessary - that your problem with sisu is from a political stand point? That you despise the capitalistic hedge fund?
It goes with the suggestions within the higgs vs sisu case documents where it is suggested CCC ran away from the deal because Labour had trouble with doing a deal with sisu.
whiteheadj
New Member
My problem is that people are expecting sisu to do what's best for our football club. Which they are clearly not interested in. But people actually believe they are going to build a new stadium, why will they do that when that is not how they have ever done business.
They have ran ccfc in the way they have always done, we have next to no assets (not that we had many to start with) everyone's being threatened with court and they are using bullying tactics. Can someone explain to me why ccfc is so different? All I care about is my football club and let's face it are sisu going to improve our current situation?
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
Nick
Administrator
Who is everybody being threatened with court?
sky blue john
Well-Known Member
The sky blue trust.
The football league.
Joy directly to Acl council
The guardian.
Just to name a few.....
Astute
Well-Known Member
I am stuck in two minds about what has been going on. It looks bad in parts for CCC. But there was nobody there to defend them. If I believed SISU to be truthful I would have the knives out ready to attack CCC. We all know that they are not though.
We have seen evidence of wrongdoing by CCC. But we don't have proof. It is enough for me to have my mind more open than before, but not enough to say that CCC are guilty of anything yet.
Joy could have played an ace having Deering give evidence and nobody else. She firstly said that she knew the ins and outs of the case and then many times pleaded ignorance. But knew everything that was good for SISU. She also had nearly a year off for maternity leave whilst this fiasco was ongoing. This stopped a lot of questions.
The main evidence against CCC for me was the emails. But it was just one line out of each used. This could have been different if CCC were there to defend themselves. It doesn't put them in the clear though.
Everyone needs to keep their eyes and ears open. It is too early to say who is guilty of anything or not. Yes our club has been run badly. Us fans have been treated like shit. But how much of it is down to CCC? It could end up where the majority of us fans have been right all along. But there is a chance of the majority of us being wrong.
I now look forward to the JR so all this crap can be sorted out.
We have seen evidence of wrongdoing by CCC. But we don't have proof. It is enough for me to have my mind more open than before, but not enough to say that CCC are guilty of anything yet.
Joy could have played an ace having Deering give evidence and nobody else. She firstly said that she knew the ins and outs of the case and then many times pleaded ignorance. But knew everything that was good for SISU. She also had nearly a year off for maternity leave whilst this fiasco was ongoing. This stopped a lot of questions.
The main evidence against CCC for me was the emails. But it was just one line out of each used. This could have been different if CCC were there to defend themselves. It doesn't put them in the clear though.
Everyone needs to keep their eyes and ears open. It is too early to say who is guilty of anything or not. Yes our club has been run badly. Us fans have been treated like shit. But how much of it is down to CCC? It could end up where the majority of us fans have been right all along. But there is a chance of the majority of us being wrong.
I now look forward to the JR so all this crap can be sorted out.
Grendel
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You forgot the football club and also Northampton Town.
stupot07
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And someone on gmk I believe was threatened by the other side.
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Grendel
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And someone on gmk I believe was threatened by the other side.
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And I have had in the past a couple of "interesting" PM's
whiteheadj
New Member
Well incase you may not know people who may not agree with what the clubs owners. Is that not the case or do you know more than me? Along with jr and the trust (which got thrown out of court straight away)
So come on answer the question why is ccfc so different to there normal business tactics?
All the evidence is suggesting ccfc is no different.
Btw on the court front do you not believe all this with the case this week and the jr is to distress the business? Let's face it there not doing it out of the goodness of there hearts are they.
Grendel
Well-Known Member
I remember Northampton Town being threatened with court. Was that sisu or someone else? How did it go?
whiteheadj
New Member
Wow wow when did I mention anything about ccc taking people to court. I was saying why is ccfc so different to how sisu normally do business? As the take businesses to court and distress them. We won't go into stripping assets part, but if they have conducted there business this way so far and always have why are they going to change it for ccfc? Why are they going to go against what there business tactics are and what they know best?
Do you think joys concern on a Saturday afternoon is how have ccfc got on? Do you believe they care about you me or anyone who supports the club?
A reasonable post but no I don't think there will ever be a point where people on either 'side' are proved wrong or change their minds en masse, perhaps because the truth is somewhere in the middle and can be (and will always be) twisted either way. The anti-council mob have never shown any inclination whatsoever to admit that the council (and arguably the interests of CCFC in remaining in coventry) have been immorally cheated out of current and future revenue by the way SISU fixed the administration process (it's all normal practice in the world of business so they say). So if I put an anti-SISU hat on, why should I be upset if it turns out that likewise the council have tried to screw SISU over? After all in my world it was probably self-defence (and defence of the future interests of the club in not having a hostile party controlling the stadium). Not saying this is the case, but I do think some posters have become so whipped into a frenzy that seeing the council appear to lose is now more important to them than what's good for the club.
sky blue john
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You have probably hit the nail on the head with this post..
hill83
Well-Known Member
In the real world I only want what is best for the club. I've no allegiance to either 'side'. But I do enjoy it when people are proved to be wrong. So I am enjoying this small shift towards evidence showing the council may have also been in the wrong.
It's purely a forum thing. The baying masses on here have had to readjust and it's funny as fuck.
And to repeat, in real life I only want what is best for the club.
Nick
Administrator
Really? Everybody who disagrees with sisu are threatened are they?
whiteheadj
New Member
I'm the same but I find being anti sisu is portrayed as pro council. This is not the case. No one side can come out head held high from this. Quite the opposite.
I do though think it is a little blind to believe everything you read in this document as I'm more than sure ccc have one that would make you believe the total opposite. I don't think we will ever find the truth out as there is so much spin on everything now.
lordsummerisle
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Happened before, was about 90% pro-Sisu for years.
shy_tall_knight
Well-Known Member
What I found pthetic about the document was the shambles of a club since they took over was everybody else's fault, not their own incompetence
Ineffective due dilligence / negotiation on the rent when acquiring the club
Ray Ransom - being allowed to withdraw his stake in the initial investment
debt free quote
coleman appointment
Igwe & Ken Diddlydoo
David bell contract extension
not signing MK
Andy Thorne
Ineffective due dilligence / negotiation on the rent when acquiring the club
Ray Ransom - being allowed to withdraw his stake in the initial investment
debt free quote
coleman appointment
Igwe & Ken Diddlydoo
David bell contract extension
not signing MK
Andy Thorne
torchomatic
Well-Known Member
I'm reminded of the great Graham Fellows "yeah yeah, it's not fair".
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Jack Griffin
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The strange thing is that I've noticed some people on this forum who criticise these actions and yet try to imply that they are in some way not the responsibility of the current management.
Furthermore they occasionally attempt to lay the blame for the situation on previous regimes of Geoffrey Robinson etc..
The fact is that the current predicament is SISUs mess, they are responsible and they should pay for it, no one else.
James Smith
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I like the idea that wheeling out Mr Labovitch is considered good PR for Sisu, though I wish he wouldn't comment on our club.
lordsummerisle
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Labovitch merely proves my point that Sisu are shite at PR.