Sky Blue Pete
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Did sisu save ACL? (13 Viewers)
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lordsummerisle
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shmmeee
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Do you think CCFC don't employ a PR company? Or Sisu? Really? Even Paul Appleton had a PR firm.
The thing that most fans have an issue with is the fact that we play in Northampton, that's hardly PR spin is it? Come on, use your head.
Go over to the CET site and have a look at how many on there have seen anti-Sisu comments mass downvoted (a sure sign of astroturfing) or how many things get "leaked" that try to make the council or the Trust look bad. Or of course, the fact that a Telegraph journalist was disciplined for being too matey with Fisher and co (allegedly).
shmmeee
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dongonzalos
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I see no big deal in PR. you hire PR as you value the fans opinion and know it is important to talk to us......
dongonzalos
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Nothing wrong with that as an approach, have a like
There does seem to be a lot of justifying of positions going around however when really... the questions need to be asked.
The same as the Trust's questions to SISU about accounts are perfectly fair, open, and give a chance for SISU to reassure if thy choose to take it, I'd kind of like similar questions asked about some of the correspondence.
As opposed to answering it and justifying it autmatically because of who said it.
shmmeee
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Sky Blue Pete
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Nw - do you mean ask Chris west to justify saying something and doing another?
Any other serious questions?
Any other serious questions?
shmmeee
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Nothing wrong with that as an approach, have a like
There does seem to be a lot of justifying of positions going around however when really... the questions need to be asked.
The same as the Trust's questions to SISU about accounts are perfectly fair, open, and give a chance for SISU to reassure if thy choose to take it, I'd kind of like similar questions asked about some of the correspondence.
As opposed to answering it and justifying it autmatically because of who said it.
Seems reasonable.
What questions would you put to the council?
Astute
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One big question. What went wrong with the agreed deal for SISU to go into partnership with CCC over the running of the Ricoh?
Skyblueweeman
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We all would want this but they're not exactly forming a queue to take us over.....?
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Astute
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I find it very hard to believe that CCC used underhand tactics to stop this. If anything had happened that was illegal there would have been litigation by now. All we have is a JR on how it was funded. So do SISU see themselves as being at fault at least partially or didn't CCC do anything wrong? Were SISU holding on to a deal that wasn't happening waiting for ACL to become distressed but lost out on when the loan was restructured?
This is why we need answers.
This is why we need answers.
James Smith
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Why would they invite and why would we need or even want the council/ACL at a forum discussing the financial state and recent accounts of our club? If we need something explained then OSB58 understands all this financial stuff.
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Give me a while, and I'll draw some up ;-)
My professional interest is undoubtedly on this 'major media assault' business, and the desire to either big up or go after the Yorkshire Bank, depending on which way they swung. This all goes beyond the offers through media etc. which have been made elsewhere, and moves into the dark arts.
I'd also like some clarification on the hiding of actions from SISU / the club, which does seem rather dubious to me.
That said, these questions are probaby asked after the Judicial Review (regardless of who 'wins' that - incidentally, worth pointing out whoever the victor of that, be it CCC or SISU, should still have questions to answer - victory doesn't exonerate them entirely) when a bigger picture will become available.
Until then, open minds.
Well, and after then, too. A SISU 'win' say, doesn't automatically make them innocent of everything any more than a CCC 'win' doesn't mean certain actions may be within the bounds of what is acceptable when it comes to the rules and regulations, but...
lordsummerisle
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OSB58 has been missing in action since Thursday night i think.
Astute
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Has he been abducted by SISU until after the JR? Or is he helping CCC?
James Smith
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It's a conspiracy I tells ya a conspiracy - Oh hells bells there's a tear in my tin foil hat. Maybe he's working?
Seriously though anyone who can actually explain things for us non financial types without just saying 'all normal/standard business practice (when they were one of the ones who signed off on the accounts) - which explains nothing - would do if OSB58 is busy.
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torchomatic
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I know. You and Astute have been in overdrive since the court documents were released.
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tbf to Astute, the posts I've read recently (and there have been too many to do owt but skim!) he's actually been reigning in a little, and looking at other angles while considering council culpability as a possibility, so maybe a little harsh on him in this instance
lordsummerisle
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To be fair to Astute, he's spinning like a top and he's not sure yet where he's going to stop.
torchomatic
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Maybe initially. Reverted to type now by the looks of it.
tbf to Astute, the posts I've read recently (and there have been too many to do owt but skim!) he's actually been reigning in a little, and looking at other angles while considering council culpability as a possibility, so maybe a little harsh on him in this instance
lordsummerisle
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Pots and kettles there friend, or has the irony top spun out of conrol?
Not using spinning in the PR sense, merely in confusion.
I'm not spinning for anybody, but a bit of light shone in all dark corners never does any harm.
Bit confused now - but in an ironic way!
shmmeee
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I thought I'd hardly been here. In fact until today and my initial post in the thread I've avoided it because I can't be arsed with the fight.
Want to address the point or just throw insults around?
Do you believe Sisu/CCFC have not had any PR in the last 2 years?
What exactly do you think CCC have been proven to do wrong?
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Astute
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And what is that? Because I am only looking at it with an open mind and not calling CCC guilty because I have only heard one side of the story?
I believe in innocent until proved guilty. So parts of emails make CCC look bad. Not the whole emails or all of them. They were not there to defend themselves. Yes the evidence has made me question them more. But the evidence has come from a side who loves spin. It evens out so I can't make my mind up for sure. So neither side is guilty in my mind on this matter yet.
TBF - I think this is about the busiest season for auditors.
You mean like - it's Mark Labovich rather than sisu?
Astute
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And most of them employed by SISU if the court case the other day is anything to go by.
I just learned something new today.
I always thought lawyers and auditors were completely different animals doing different stuff and that.
Hobo
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Well in fairness, Mark Labovitch, Tim Fisher and Joy Seppala seem to have different song sheets when it suits them. Joy one minute is "hands on" and next on a different continent!
Hopefully she will be in UK court tera firma for the JR and put a face behind this charade.
Astute
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8 lawyers/QC's instead of 1 or two. Will need auditors to check the finances now. And why bother with 1 or 2
8 lawyers/QC's instead of 1 or two. Will need auditors to check the finances now. And why bother with 1 or 2
There will be plenty of auditors.
YB will bring Deloitte.
CCC will bring PriceWaterhouse
Sisu will bring BDO.
It's almost guaranteed to be the most boring court session in history.