SISU lost the club £4M (8 Viewers)

[skybluelee]

We never managed to charge more than £10 a ticket at the Ricoh.

Don't forget the average charged for Shitfields games will be less than £10. Say, it's £7 (guess but probably not far off). The lost revenue would be about £2.5M. By the time you add on lost sponsorship, merchandise etc its got to be pushing £4M.

 

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[SonOfSnoz]

I was just reading a thread on GMK and someone has come up with a stat that we lost 197800 of our home attendance this season compared to last. At £20 a ticket thats almost £4M in lost revenue, not including lost sponsorship or merchandise sales.

Tell me again why the club mustn't accept the short term offer to play at the Ricoh that was made through the FL?

Short term gain for long term loss!
The club will never prosper on current Ricoh terms due to FFP.

The club needs its own stadium!

 

[Chez78]

We never managed to charge more than £10 a ticket at the Ricoh.

Really??? I remember being charged £27 per ticket for game at home to Bristol City £27!!!!! I could have watched England at Wembley the same same week for £20 that's why it stuck in my mind. Plus I can never remember the walk up price being below £20

 

[italiahorse]

You have to blame Sisu for the managers that the picked, that isn't an issue, but even from the first season we moved into the Ricoh Arena, attendances began to fall season after season, including when the reign of Sisu started. Sisu are responsible for 95% of the fall in attendances.

I thought the first season at the Ricoh was 21000 after leaving HR which was 16000 the year before.

Ricoh attendances dropped by about 1000 a year to about 15,000 in the championship.

League 1 attendance at the Ricoh were 11,000

Sixfields ?

I suggest fans will increase/ decrease depending on the teams performance .....

...... which is down to the players and manager and ultimately SISU.

 

[italiahorse]

Short term gain for long term loss!
The club will never prosper on current Ricoh terms due to FFP.

The club needs its own stadium!

It needs it on a long lease with access to the incremental revenues.
Owning it can never happen as it would need to use it's own funds to buy it.

The debate on whether Sisu or CCC should own it and rent it back could go on a long time.

 

[Jack Griffin]

Short term gain for long term loss!
The club will never prosper on current Ricoh terms due to FFP.

The club needs its own stadium!

More like a short term loss for a short term high risk win, i.e. Hedge Fund 101.

 

[rondog1973]

The math will always be disputed, only the Club will be 100% sure how much money has been lost due to falling attendances.

The question is, Should Sisu take all the blame for the fall in attendances? IMO No.

Ha ha ha!! laughable.

Queue percentage breakdown of who is to blame......

 

[stupot07]

In reality the average turnover per ticket isn't full face value, because there are corporate areas, concessions, cheap areas and free tickets. But of course other income flows from attendance & the good will of local business, a commodity that SISU have more or less discarded (e.g. for the first time in decades Cov Building Society have no commercial partnership with the club).

The prison of measured time blog researched some statistics,

To be fair those figures are tosh, they also include PL payments, cup prize money, transfers fees received, tv rights, etc. for example it's widely regarded that the championship brings in about £5m in payments and tv rights so nothing to do with attendance.

It's like saying that (2012) Burnley fans pay an average of £71.18 per person based on turnover of £23m and an average of 14,048 fans.

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[chiefdave]

My season ticket was £13 a ticket. The oap I went with was £6.50 a ticket. So that's £10 a ticket

It would be interesting to see a breakdown of ticket sales to arrive at a £10 a ticket average. Given we struggle to even publish accounts I doubt that info is available.

If you work on the basis that only JSB, OAP and complimentary tickets come in at less than £10 and a lot of single match ticket prices are significantly higher than £10 a ticket it does seem odd for the average to be so low but even so the point still stands. If the average ticket price at the Ricoh is £10 what is it likely to be at Sixfields?

Even more importantly we all know that the amount we 'make' (all matchday income less all expenses) is going to be way higher at the Ricoh than at Sixfields. That's before you even begin to consider the huge drop in sponsorship, advertising and merchandise.

 

[wingy]

Given that turnover will come in around £2-£2.5M. this season ,that would be as the OP states be a £4M. loss ,but that Is only on turnover .

The operating loss last season was £7M. yet we've shaved somewhere around £1M-£1.5M off that by reducing the wage bill + what must have been unique expenditure around Arvo and Admin Circa £3M. we must be heading for a further operating loss around £6.5-£7M. this season IMO.

We have to anticipate another event In the coming year.

 

[Spionkop]

Well said Tony. I see, the usual suspects are out to give common sense a good kicking.

 

[ajsccfc]

 

[wingy]

Always amazes me how adept womenfolk are at multi-tasking ,I mean how Is It feasible to run six books at a time.:thinking about:

 

[RoboCCFC90]

Phew! Only 95% responsible then, that's a relief. For a moment I was a bit worried about it being 100%.

I see we have School kids on here today then..

 

[stupot07]

Given that turnover will come in around £2-£2.5M. this season ,that would be as the OP states be a £4M. loss ,but that Is only on turnover .

The operating loss last season was £7M. yet we've shaved somewhere around £1M-£1.5M off that by reducing the wage bill + what must have been unique expenditure around Arvo and Admin Circa £3M. we must be heading for a further operating loss around £6.5-£7M. this season IMO.

We have to anticipate another event In the coming year.

I'm not sure it will be quite that low. Stevenage had a turnover of £5.2m in 2011/12 with 3.6k average attendance.


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[Spionkop]

One thing is for sure income at the Ricoh will be massively higher than at Sixfields.
No going around the houses will alter that.
So Sisu - you business people, tell us what's the master plan then?
As if we didn't know.
Short term pain for long term gain? Right. Yeah. Sure.

 

[crowsnest]

It would be interesting to see a breakdown of ticket sales to arrive at a £10 a ticket average. Given we struggle to even publish accounts I doubt that info is available.

If you work on the basis that only JSB, OAP and complimentary tickets come in at less than £10 and a lot of single match ticket prices are significantly higher than £10 a ticket it does seem odd for the average to be so low but even so the point still stands. If the average ticket price at the Ricoh is £10 what is it likely to be at Sixfields?

Even more importantly we all know that the amount we 'make' (all matchday income less all expenses) is going to be way higher at the Ricoh than at Sixfields. That's before you even begin to consider the huge drop in sponsorship, advertising and merchandise.

match receipts from accounts:
2010 £4360518
2011 £3925900
2012 £3550702
2013 £2996143

 

[Godiva]

Well said Tony. I see, the usual suspects are out to give common sense a good kicking.

So who are you? Customs agent Dave Kujan?
Look it up if you haven't seen the movie. He had it all worked out and only realized how wrong he was when it was too late.

 

[wingy]

I'm not sure it will be quite that low. Stevenage had a turnover of £5.2m in 2011/12 with 3.6k average attendance.


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That Is very interesting ,wonder how they did that?

 

[Norman Binns]

Phew! Only 95% responsible then, that's a relief. For a moment I was a bit worried about it being 100%.

I see we have School kids on here today then..

If only you could see the idiocy of your statement then you’d understand why it attracted the sarcasm it did.

A cracking riposte though, I’ve never heard that one before and very mature. I’m all in pieces.

 

[davebart]

Short term gain for long term loss!
The club will never prosper on current Ricoh terms due to FFP.

The club needs its own stadium!

If this is true I wonder how or why we got to a situation where we don't have one. Or even much chance of getting one.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Exactly. If you had a car park ticket you'd actually be giving ACL more money than the club.

Estimation or fact? Or wrong?

 

[Jack Griffin]

That Is very interesting ,wonder how they did that?

Maybe they had a few sponsorships that helped?

 

[davebart]

Exactly. If you had a car park ticket you'd actually be giving ACL more money than the club.

you can't blame the car park attendant for the club under-selling its asset

 

[The Gentleman]

Short term gain for long term loss!
The club will never prosper on current Ricoh terms due to FFP.

The club needs its own stadium!

In that case then and if they've known this for a while, why don't they make an offer for the fucking thing then? Buy it, then you have short term loss for a long term gain.

 

[smouch1975]

This actually tells me that Bristol are right in the shit

To be fair those figures are tosh, they also include PL payments, cup prize money, transfers fees received, tv rights, etc. for example it's widely regarded that the championship brings in about £5m in payments and tv rights so nothing to do with attendance.

It's like saying that (2012) Burnley fans pay an average of £71.18 per person based on turnover of £23m and an average of 14,048 fans.

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[wingy]

This actually tells me that Bristol are right in the shit

Most certainly are.

And they were outspending us by around £6M. while we were up there

 

[stupot07]

This actually tells me that Bristol are right in the shit

They certainly are. In the 2012/13 season they wage bill was

"City's wages to turnover ratio was 157 per cent last season, the worst in the npower Championship."

Read more: http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Number...tory-18744582-detail/story.html#ixzz30Bjm4gHN


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[SonOfSnoz]

Always amazes me how adept womenfolk are at multi-tasking ,I mean how Is It feasible to run six books at a time.:thinking about:

Is that Joy, delighted at club accounts for 2013/14?

Cheap rental at sixfields!
Cheap cost of playing staff, mostly kids!
Cheap policing, thanks to low attendences in Northampton!

Means Joy has to fork out less to keep the club running, whilst court costs keep the profits coming in, kerching!

By the way, shouldn't council Tax be reduced, seeing as it's Northants policing city matches these days?

 

[martcov]

Short term gain for long term loss!
The club will never prosper on current Ricoh terms due to FFP.

The club needs its own stadium!

What are current Ricoh terms?

 

[ccfc92]

My season ticket was £13 a ticket. The oap I went with was £6.50 a ticket. So that's £10 a ticket

Oh dear. The genius that is Grendel just became the dunce.

2/10,000 means that's how you calculate an average ticket price :facepalm:

Average means taking all available data into account :facepalm:

 

[Grendel]

Oh dear. The genius that is Grendel just became the dunce.

2/10,000 means that's how you calculate an average ticket price :facepalm:

Average means taking all available data into account :facepalm:

Well yes it does. How do you rare OSB in the calculation stakes?

 

[Grendel]

What are current Ricoh terms?

£400k per annum plus police, stewards etc. and no F and B revenues

 

[ccfc92]

Well yes it does. How do you rare OSB in the calculation stakes?

When you used £10 yesterday to slate my figures, I assumed you'd seen an official quote stating the average price is £10.

Not used 2 people's cost to reach your "average price" :facepalm:

I can't deny dividing almost 20 pound by 2 is an average of 10, but to use that basis as a fact has definitely made you look very silly all mighty one

 

[Grendel]

When you used £10 yesterday to slate my figures, I assumed you'd seen an official quote stating the average price is £10.

Not used 2 people's cost to reach your "average price" :facepalm:

I can't deny dividing almost 20 pound by 2 is an average of 10, but to use that basis as a fact has definitely made you look very silly all mighty one

Jesus Christ. The response was to the equally dim astute who asked me personally if I paid £10. Between myself and the other person I went with it was.

The calculated £10 figure is arrived at by looking at ticket revenue every year divided by everyone who attended.

It averaged £10 per ticket. That is a fact.