italiahorse
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............ and you don't think they do ? Even SP says it's a problem.
I'm afraid you generalise on little snippets of information and make it out as if it's mainstream information.
sky blue john
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I fully understand that being at sixfields they have no choice but to sell, because of the reduced revenue.
What bugs me is that with 10,000 home fans at the Ricoh we would be able to afford to keep our best players for longer.
Keeping our best players longer gives us an opportunity at achieving promotion.
Promotion whilst at sixfields is impossible !!
Who again moved us to sixfields ?
TakeMeHomeHighfieldRoad
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Would love Pressley to be able to convince Wilson that it is in his own interest in terms of development into a top striker that another season playing competitivley and hopefully scoring a rake of goals in League 1 will do him the world of good and make him even more ready to make the progrssion into the championship. Unfortunately, money talks these days and if it is 2-3mill think it'd be snapped up by our owners no matter what Dim Tim has said.
1966skyblue
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He scored 7 in 8 without clarke when he first came back from injury.
lordsummerisle
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A couple of weeks ago it was a done deal that Wilson would go to Wolves.
The last season would of course have gone a lot better if before the end of the August transfer window we hadn't sold Baker, Moussa, Clarke,Wilson, Marshall, Fleck, Thomas and Christie.
The last season would of course have gone a lot better if before the end of the August transfer window we hadn't sold Baker, Moussa, Clarke,Wilson, Marshall, Fleck, Thomas and Christie.
duffer
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In fairness to our current owners, we've always sold our best players to 'bigger' clubs. Of course, now that we're at the level we're at it's hard to accept that clubs like Huddersfield are bigger than us, but in terms of league position and available funds I'm afraid I think they are.
More than anything else, the thing that got us into our troubles was spending big money on players, and even worse, spending too much on wages (compared to this the rent's a bit of a sideshow, imho). I don't want us to get into that pain again, regardless of who's in charge.
I suppose the thing that makes the Wilson sale hurt is that it's likely that more of the money will go into supporting operating costs than it will for replacements, because of where we are. But regardless of that and SISU or not, I think if a 'bigger' team comes in for Wilson with something over £1m, he goes (imho).
More than anything else, the thing that got us into our troubles was spending big money on players, and even worse, spending too much on wages (compared to this the rent's a bit of a sideshow, imho). I don't want us to get into that pain again, regardless of who's in charge.
I suppose the thing that makes the Wilson sale hurt is that it's likely that more of the money will go into supporting operating costs than it will for replacements, because of where we are. But regardless of that and SISU or not, I think if a 'bigger' team comes in for Wilson with something over £1m, he goes (imho).
ajsccfc
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all work and no play makes savosdad something something
all work and no play makes savosdad something something
all work and no play makes savosdad something something
all work and noplay makes savosdad something something
all work and no play makes savodsad something something
torchomatic
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That's a total fallacy, John. We still sold our best players when we were at the Ricoh with relatively healthy crowds.
If it's 3 mill it will be that based on apps, promotion and other built in incentives, the deal will be nearer 1 mill i would assume. Wilson deserves a crack at a higher level and if the club have any sense will get a first refusal option if he is loaned out....If he goes good luck to him, hope he goes on and plays at top level, we need more young english players breaking it a better levels.
Yeah but that was In the days when we paid Transfer fees and had a wage bill of £8-£10M. Torch.
£2M. is significantly within the realms of our last turnover figure ,at least then we'd know If he went it would be cos he wants to, not necessarily cos he has to.
Ian1779
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Again.... our playing budget can be set at the level the owners wish it to be. They will have to supplement it with donations that will not be able to added as debt.
See below:
- SCMP in its most basic definition for League 1 for this season limits player wages to 60% of your forecast turnover (last season it was 65%)
- This income will include things like ticket sales, catering sales, car park sales, shop sales, sponsorship, central payments from FL, all commercial sales, TV/radio money, any net transfer income and follow on fees etc. etc.
- Also include-able are donations, be it from sponsors, fans, businesses AND including any equity cash injections from the owners, as long as none of these donations come with any conditions for pay back, i.e. it's not a loan, it's a charitable donation you don't want back
See below:
- SCMP in its most basic definition for League 1 for this season limits player wages to 60% of your forecast turnover (last season it was 65%)
- This income will include things like ticket sales, catering sales, car park sales, shop sales, sponsorship, central payments from FL, all commercial sales, TV/radio money, any net transfer income and follow on fees etc. etc.
- Also include-able are donations, be it from sponsors, fans, businesses AND including any equity cash injections from the owners, as long as none of these donations come with any conditions for pay back, i.e. it's not a loan, it's a charitable donation you don't want back
bigfatronssba
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So basically your saying next year's piss poor budget is down to sisu being stingy rather than pressure from the fans?
Least no one can accuse us boycottors of damaging the team now.
J
Jack Griffin
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Yeah right, do you really think Joy's investors think like that, do they bollocks, what they'll be saying is "when is this investment going to stop losing money and make my return!"
SkyBlueScottie
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How can you force a player to sign a contract? Especially when it would impact on their earnings. Also in response to your later post. Murphys record in the Championship is not great. Moussa has been around that level and ultimately dropped here. Christie would be ok but would have to work on his defensive qualities.
Ian1779
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Yes if it is piss poor then you are right.
There are also conditions that effect what is classed as your 'wage bill'. For example home-grown players (English/British) that were registered for 3 years before their 21st birthday, (which would then imply all home grown players under 21.. of which we have plenty.)
So taking that into account - we would have probably included Murphy, Webster, Moussa, Clarke, Baker and 1 or 2 others in initial wage budget calculations. The rest would have been ignored.
Ian1779
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I'm not defending it all. But it does illustrate the importance of revenue access.
And your final sentence about FFP is inaccurate. You seem to think that because attendances are shit that means we will be FORCED to have no playing budget. I'm afraid that is simply not true.
torchomatic
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SlowerThanPlatt
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£3m for a League 1 player?
lordsummerisle
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Used to be called armchair fans before.
No future with SISU
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Yes under SISU we will still sell any one worth a few quid, even if we were at the RICOH. THe only future we can have is when SISU go.
No future with SISU
New Member
Paper talk
No future with SISU
New Member
SISU have no money, how are they going to pay the wages?
Grendel
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Have you had a lobotomy?
Ian1779
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CCFC have made a loss every year they've been here. So one would assume in a similar way as before. Except now any money they inject into the club is as a donation, so can't end up as debt.
fernandopartridge
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The clown has boycotted since November 96 judging by his moniker
fernandopartridge
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Under everybody we sold everybody. That's what we are.
Mr T - Sukka!
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There is no way he will go for £3M.
Nakhi Wells went from Bradford to Huddersfield for £1.2/£1.3M.
Simular player simular age. Simular goal record until he went to the championship.
Nakhi Wells went from Bradford to Huddersfield for £1.2/£1.3M.
Simular player simular age. Simular goal record until he went to the championship.
skybluetony176
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i was talking to my Wolves mate today and he recons that if Rotherham don't go up Wolves will be switching their attentions to Kieran Agard
lordsummerisle
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I read that as Asgard initially.
My girlfriend said she wanted to go there on holiday, I had to point out it wasn't a real place, but the home of the Norse Gods, she meant Svalbard it turns out, but no armoured Polar bears there either.