Playing at Sixfields (8 Viewers)

[chickentikkamasala]

Is it detrimental to us keeping and signing future players?

It has been common knowledge Cyrus Christie will be off in the summer, but comments like these make me wonder how the players feel playing there

I need to sit down and have a talk and clarify the future of the club because it’s not the most ideal situation at the minute

We’re here at Northampton, which is not the greatest,

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/coveted-coventry-city-defender-cyrus-7044052

 

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[skybluetony176]

Most definitely. SP said as much just the other week.

My biggest fear is that when we return to the ricoh the fan base will be so decimated by Sisu that the playing environment won't be that much different to what's currently experienced at sixfields.

We need to be back for the start of next season as damage limitation, anything less and I'm struggling to see how the club can survive.

 

[Grendel]

Most definitely. SP said as much just the other week.

My biggest fear is that when we return to the ricoh the fan base will be so decimated by Sisu that the playing environment won't be that much different to what's currently experienced at sixfields.

We need to be back for the start of next season as damage limitation, anything less and I'm struggling to see how the club can survive.

How did other clubs survive? E.g Bristol rovers and Brighton?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

They didn't thoroughly piss off 90% of their support maybe??

 

[Grendel]

They didn't thoroughly piss off 90% of their support maybe??

I thought crowds were down as people objected to leaving Coventry and people would lose interest and do other things?

 

[skybluetony176]

How did other clubs survive? E.g Bristol rovers and Brighton?

Fan approval. Clearly something lost on Sisu.

 

[skybluetony176]

I thought crowds were down as people objected to leaving Coventry and people would lose interest and do other things?

And you don't think this isn't fans being pissed off.

 

[AndreasB]

Is it detrimental to us keeping and signing future players?

It has been common knowledge Cyrus Christie will be off in the summer, but comments like these make me wonder how the players feel playing there


http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/coveted-coventry-city-defender-cyrus-7044052

Statistically NO.
I can just imagine the sort of booing Baker would have got this year from our "fans" in the Telegraph stand. Same goes for Christie too for his second half of season performances.

 

[Grendel]

Fan approval. Clearly something lost on Sisu.

Fans approval? Gates have quadrupled at Brighton - Bristol were away for a decade.

So if fans are happy with their owners are you saying a move outside of the city boundaries is never an issue?

Interesting feedback.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Statistically NO.
I can just imagine the sort of booing Baker would have got this year from our "fans" in the Telegraph stand. Same goes for Christie too for his second half of season performances.

To suggest the team has never been booed at Sixfields is a complete untruth.

 

[Grendel]

To suggest the team has never been booed at Sixfields is a complete untruth.

I didn't think you attended Sixfields?

Confession time?

 

[Otis]

I didn't think you attended Sixfields?

Confession time?

Or he's spoken to people? Or maybe seen what they have posted on here perhaps? Or listened to the radio and heard first hand?

Don't think everything is a conspiracy to be honest.

 

[bigfatronssba]

I didn't think you attended Sixfields?

Confession time?

I have a thing called a radio.

 

[Lorksalordy]

Fans approval? Gates have quadrupled at Brighton - Bristol were away for a decade.

So if fans are happy with their owners are you saying a move outside of the city boundaries is never an issue?

Interesting feedback.

Just a random idea but maybe a clear and reasoned explanation regarding why the move was deemed necessary coupled with a believable plan and timescale for returning to the city would assist a little in getting a few more fans "on message"

Alternatively we could view every move of home location for a football team and the resulting fans reaction as identical regardless of circumstances and use that in every debate.

 

[crowsnest]

I have a thing called a radio.

And from that you can tell who is booing who?

 

[bigfatronssba]

And from that you can tell who is booing who?

Yes.

Unless linnell and eakin are lying with comments such as "the home crowd are getting restless" followed by a booing sound.

 

[Grendel]

Yes.

Unless linnell and eakin are lying with comments such as "the home crowd are getting restless" followed by a booing sound.

Couldn't the booing come from the hill?

 

[Chez78]

Jesus it was actually a fair question turned into the the usual crap, I'm starting to worry about you Grendel since your special meeting with Mr Mark Labotit you seem determined to turn every question regarding the situation we're in into a veiled defence of our owners.

In answer to the question I'm 100% certain our current home ground and the attendances at said ground will have a negative effective in signing current and future players.

 

[Otis]

Jesus it was actually a fair question turned into the the usual crap, I'm starting to worry about you Grendel since your special meeting with Mr Mark Labotit you seem determined to turn every question regarding the situation we're in into a veiled defence of our owners.

In answer to the question I'm 100% certain our current home ground and the attendances at said ground will have a negative effective in signing current and future players.

It's as a clear as day.

 

[skybluetony176]

Fans approval? Gates have quadrupled at Brighton - Bristol were away for a decade.

So if fans are happy with their owners are you saying a move outside of the city boundaries is never an issue?

Interesting feedback.

Thank you for proving me right. Clearly from your examples the owners had fans approval. Moving anywhere with fan approval is not an issue. Moving without fan approval clearly is, as perfectly demonstrated by the disastert that is Coventry City playing in Northampton.

I take it you think it's been a roaring success. Interesting feedback.

 

[Grendel]

Jesus it was actually a fair question turned into the the usual crap, I'm starting to worry about you Grendel since your special meeting with Mr Mark Labotit you seem determined to turn every question regarding the situation we're in into a veiled defence of our owners.

In answer to the question I'm 100% certain our current home ground and the attendances at said ground will have a negative effective in signing current and future players.

The notion I was challenging was that gates would decline if we do not rapidly return.

The statistical evidence suggests the contrary is likely to happen and gates would increase.

Players will sign for a club purely based on the contract on offer. Its it better they stay if its worse they don't. Baker is on a lucrative contract so stays. Christie is a free agent and sees better deals elsewhere so leaves.

When at the Ricoh Clive Platt was offered a one year deal. He moved to shitsfields as they offered a two year deal.

 

[skybluetony176]

Or he's spoken to people? Or maybe seen what they have posted on here perhaps? Or listened to the radio and heard first hand?

Don't think everything is a conspiracy to be honest.

I've clearly heard it on the radio and on my one visit to the hill. I'm not saying people inside sixfields don't have the right (although I am proud to say I've never booed my own team) but to say otherwise is denial.

 

[ollyservetta]

yes it will have and to think otherwise would be frankly ,insane ,.it has already affected our players ,and will carry on doing so. Playing at sixfields has been utter garbage and for people to think for one moment that players would have performed the same at the ricoh as at sixfields is a joke.As soon as the novelty wore of and our playing style was found out ,and you didn't know what stand would be open ,would there be any pies n pasties ,coffee left or not ,this all happened in the first third of the season.And yes booing was going on at sixfields from day one ,and the stick barton got the first time he warmed up down the touchline was horrendous .

 

[skybluetony176]

Statistically NO.
I can just imagine the sort of booing Baker would have got this year from our "fans" in the Telegraph stand. Same goes for Christie too for his second half of season performances.

The flip side to this is that if they were playing in front of an energetic crowd this could raise the entire team and a few of them losses could have been turned into a draw and a few of them draws could have been turned into wins. As you rightly pointed out, there is no denying that player's respond to the crowd but it works both ways.

 

[Grendel]

Thank you for proving me right. Clearly from your examples the owners had fans approval. Moving anywhere with fan approval is not an issue. Moving without fan approval clearly is, as perfectly demonstrated by the disastert that is Coventry City playing in Northampton.

I take it you think it's been a roaring success. Interesting feedback.

An emotive and typically irrational response.

The Brighton move wasn't supported and gates declined sharply.

There is no statistical evidence to support your theory.

The evidence all suggests crowds will increase if the club returned even a decade later. In fact if under your "theory" the return was with new owners that would be the case.

Crowds will not be lower - there is no base evidence to support your claim.

 

[torchomatic]

Don't think everything is a conspiracy to be honest.

Now that is amusing. Everything IS a conspiracy from reading most of bigfatrons' posts.


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[torchomatic]

I've clearly heard it on the radio and on my one visit to the hill. I'm not saying people inside sixfields don't have the right (although I am proud to say I've never booed my own team) but to say otherwise is denial.

Agree. I've never booed my own team. I've heard the odd discontented boo at Sixfields but nowhere near as the amount of times as at the Ricoh. But on the other hand there are less prople there, etc.

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[skybluetony176]

An emotive and typically irrational response.

The Brighton move wasn't supported and gates declined sharply.

There is no statistical evidence to support your theory.

The evidence all suggests crowds will increase if the club returned even a decade later. In fact if under your "theory" the return was with new owners that would be the case.

Crowds will not be lower - there is no base evidence to support your claim.

So you're saying the club being abused by it's owners doesn't matter because you predict it will be all OK in the end because everything is definitely going to turn out as it did at Brighton and not at Wimbledon.

You really are an idiot.

 

[Grendel]

So you're saying the club being abused by it's owners doesn't matter because you predict it will be all OK in the end because everything is definitely going to turn out as it did at Brighton and not at Wimbledon.

You really are an idiot.

No I am stating the weight of evidence supports my notion.

You have no statistics and just call me an idiot.

Case closed.

 

[Chez78]

The notion I was challenging was that gates would decline if we do not rapidly return.

The statistical evidence suggests the contrary is likely to happen and gates would increase.

Players will sign for a club purely based on the contract on offer. Its it better they stay if its worse they don't. Baker is on a lucrative contract so stays. Christie is a free agent and sees better deals elsewhere so leaves.

When at the Ricoh Clive Platt was offered a one year deal. He moved to shitsfields as they offered a two year deal.

Sorry chap but your wrong at the time Clive Platt left he was at the end of his career and playing a bit part role a city, he left to join a former manager who guaranteed first team football which to many footballer at the later stages of their career is an important thing. Also don't forget when he left to join Northampton when they were on the up and certainly playing in front of bigger gates than we are seeing now. And as for the gates declining unless we return sooner than the five years only time will tell, history of other clubs would say not but at those other clubs they didn't have owners who have done so much to divide a fan base and generate so much hate to a regime. I think most of it will depend on how they handle the 12 months building up to the return but I tend to agree with the feeling that the damage they are doing will never be truly repaired until they leave.

And do everyone a favour stop dragging up statistical evidence in your arguments it stinks of political PR something your new friend Labotit is very versed in using, you can prove anything you want with stats and graphs it's all in the manipulation it's doesn't make it correct. If your honestly telling me that the attraction of playing at sixfields in front of 2000 per week isn't putting young hungry players off you're a mad man.

And my point stands about the noticeable change in you since your meeting with Labotit it's noticeable and in some cases embarrassing.

 

[skybluetony176]

Agree. I've never booed my own team. I've heard the odd discontented boo at Sixfields but nowhere near as the amount of times as at the Ricoh. But on the other hand there are less prople there, etc.

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Agree to. It's that's always has and always will happen. Home and away, to add balance to the argument I also heard it at my one and only game this season at MK (first half not second) but again there's also no denying that the MK crowd did assist in lifting the team.

 

[ajsccfc]

I don't think there's any question that some people would be put off by playing for an uncertain club in what's a foreign ground in front of a small fanbase. Of course it won't be the definite reason we don't sign every player available either.

 

[skybluetony176]

No I am stating the weight of evidence supports my notion.

You have no statistics and just call me an idiot.

Case closed.

The weight of evidence that you're willing to look at, try taking your blinkers of.

"Case closed" is that slang for argument lost?

 

[olderskyblue]

No I am stating the weight of evidence supports my notion.

You have no statistics and just call me an idiot.

Case closed.

Just for interest gullible, where are these statistics for clubs that have been moved to a different ground by their owners, while their own ground stands empty but perfectly playable?

 

[AndreasB]

To suggest the team has never been booed at Sixfields is a complete untruth.

Never said that did I? There is nothing like the sustained and vitriolic abuse that happened week in week out out the Ricoh - booing when we went in 0-0 at half time was a regular and pathetic occurance.