Tim Fisher - "you'll be back after 3 matches" (31 Viewers)

[Astute]

Astute, not having a go at you personally but I was at a meeting many many years ago with Paul Fletcher before any of us had even heard of SISU (the guy who struck the deal with the club while working for ACL) he was saying way back then that the rent was unsustainable and pleas for help from ACL were falling on deaf ears. Not having a go at ACL, it's their business but they sure didn't help the matter, they're not some sort of fairy god mother that cares for the club, they are a business.

Way back then sounds like when the arena was new. If you work out the rent and interest payments they will have been about the same. So where else would the interest payments have come from?

Like I have said many times before yes they could have reduced the rent earlier, but not as early as some like to make out.

 

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[Spionkop]

No City fans at Sixfields, the Football League will cave in and so will Sisu.
It will make national news. We'll be even more of a laughing stock than we are now.
Torchy, we all have kids and grandkids. Take your son to the away games and sacrifice a bit like the rest of us have. And anyone else in that position, lest anyone think I'm singling Torchy out, which I'm not.
I'm entitled to my opinion. I don't insult or abuse anyone when I express my opinion, although I get it from some, including you. (I might have tongue in cheek called you Battery Boy - you might be old enough to recognise the reference?)
Ultimately everyone makes their own decisions of course. However, I'm not going to hold back on my views for the sake of some PC etiquette.
There is a much bigger picture here. I make no apologies for repeating that fans going to Sixfields (a minority of our fanbase) are a big part of the problem.
I disagree strongly with anyone who says fans at Sixfields are NOT supporting Sisu. Absolute tosh. Just being there is condoning their actions.
An empty stadium will make waves, not least among the management team, SP and the players. Pressley is already making noises about Sixfields.
Imagine opening home game, 324 fans from Crewe and nobody else. No one can tell me that wouldn't cause waves.

 

[Spionkop]

PS. And a happy Christmas to all.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Build? In a year they managed to get a couple of pictures together. If we needed them to build something we would all be dead by the time they would be ready to sell

They would make lots of money in the long run keeping the arena and letting our club go. They know themselves the difficulties and expense of building another stadium. They have seen that most won't keep going to another ground. They know they would have a captive audience. So we have no idea what they would do.

Nobody is going to buy this club if it has no hope of owning the ground.

 

[westcountry_skyblue]

Crewe couldnt muster that many fans could they? Rather like 100!!!

 

[mrtrench]

No City fans at Sixfields, the Football League will cave in and so will Sisu.
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And seconds after I mention the binary attitude it appears!

This is wrong. Your assumption is wrong. 2k people attending has already made the point. SISU knows and the League knows.

Think about your assumption logically. What if just one person attended? Do you think that SISU would or would not cave in? 1 person is not far from 0 people right? Maybe you think they would cave in. OK - so now what if two people attended every week? What about if there were just 17? I can keep going. The point here is that there is a MASSIVE MAJORITY of people not attending now. SISU doesn't care because its game is to get the Ricoh through force now - whether there are 0 people or 17 or 2,000 makes no difference to them. And the League cares but cannot act because it has decided it is not within its remit to do so whilst SISU is saying it will build another stadium within 3 years.


So - you are having a moment. Calm down. Find your neutral space. Once you realise this is not a binary proposition then you can be more forgiving to people who disagree with you for one reason or another and decide to go to Sixfields.

Me? I'll never go there - but I can exist perfectly happily knowing not everyone agrees with me.

 

[DaleM]

Going back to Tim Fishers original statement it's looking more like 333 matches now.

 

[TurkeyTrot]

No City fans at Sixfields, the Football League will cave in and so will Sisu.
It will make national news. We'll be even more of a laughing stock than we are now.
Torchy, we all have kids and grandkids. Take your son to the away games and sacrifice a bit like the rest of us have. And anyone else in that position, lest anyone think I'm singling Torchy out, which I'm not.
I'm entitled to my opinion. I don't insult or abuse anyone when I express my opinion, although I get it from some, including you. (I might have tongue in cheek called you Battery Boy - you might be old enough to recognise the reference?)
Ultimately everyone makes their own decisions of course. However, I'm not going to hold back on my views for the sake of some PC etiquette.
There is a much bigger picture here. I make no apologies for repeating that fans going to Sixfields (a minority of our fanbase) are a big part of the problem.
I disagree strongly with anyone who says fans at Sixfields are NOT supporting Sisu. Absolute tosh. Just being there is condoning their actions.
An empty stadium will make waves, not least among the management team, SP and the players. Pressley is already making noises about Sixfields.
Imagine opening home game, 324 fans from Crewe and nobody else. No one can tell me that wouldn't cause waves.

Just on your first point, I'd say SISU would get more pressure put on them if Sixfields was filled every home game and there was a boycott of the away games. City fans made it clear what they were doing and why. If our opponents were losing money from city fans not going yet CCFC were gaining financially every home game I reckon all the league clubs would put pressure on the FL to get involved. Infact I'd go one step further, rather than boycott away games, City fans should protest outside every away game, clubs wouldn't get a penny from us and would have a hefty policing bill to boot.
Come on, rather than have a go at those who attend sixfields and don't protest or the football league or those that stand on the hill lets have a meaningful protest that will get results
Anyone disagree with me?

 

[Jack Griffin]

I don't like these complex solutions, just boycott the home & away till SISU piss off.

 

[torchomatic]

And you're off again.

No City fans at Sixfields, the Football League will cave in and so will Sisu.
It will make national news. We'll be even more of a laughing stock than we are now.
Torchy, we all have kids and grandkids. Take your son to the away games and sacrifice a bit like the rest of us have. And anyone else in that position, lest anyone think I'm singling Torchy out, which I'm not.
I'm entitled to my opinion. I don't insult or abuse anyone when I express my opinion, although I get it from some, including you. (I might have tongue in cheek called you Battery Boy - you might be old enough to recognise the reference?)
Ultimately everyone makes their own decisions of course. However, I'm not going to hold back on my views for the sake of some PC etiquette.
There is a much bigger picture here. I make no apologies for repeating that fans going to Sixfields (a minority of our fanbase) are a big part of the problem.
I disagree strongly with anyone who says fans at Sixfields are NOT supporting Sisu. Absolute tosh. Just being there is condoning their actions.
An empty stadium will make waves, not least among the management team, SP and the players. Pressley is already making noises about Sixfields.
Imagine opening home game, 324 fans from Crewe and nobody else. No one can tell me that wouldn't cause waves.

 

[The Gentleman]

Abolutely spot on. No one wants to play at Sixfields. No one wants the club to be in the mess it’s in. Unfortunately, to people like Spion (and the many that agree with his posts), things are black and white. Attendance at Sixfields doesn’t mean you are condoning or agreeing with SISUs actions. However, the easy way for him is to label those that have chosen to go “wrong”, “traitors”, “morally bankrupt”, etc. There’s always been a vocal majority who think as they shout the loudest then everyone should unquestioningly agree with the stance that they personally wish to take. They really do find it difficult that some do not agree with them.

I have absolutely no problem with those who boycott, go to away games only, those who stand on the hill or those that attend Sixfields to watch their team. It’s not really anyone else’s business to judge what an individual fan decides to do. Whatever their choice it no way says “good on you SISU” or “well done ACL”.

I only have an issue with those who tell me how I must act or think.

This season was strange for me. I started off boycotting with the majority but decided to go as my Sky Blue son wanted to. Yes, simple as that. If Spion and his mates think that is “claptrap” then fine. If he and they want to continue to say attendees are to blame then again, fine. That is up to them. My son’s enjoyment of watching him team, win lose or draw is worth a million “it’s all their fault” threads.

In fact, this season I’ve seen more football than I have since the 90s. We’ve done ten away games too this season. I don’t regret for one second taking him and I will get a season ticket for the both of us next season too, whether we are playing at Sixfields or hopefully the Ricoh.

Your last line is so true “blaming fans for their choices is a cop out” It is. We’ve had some really nasty stuff posted on here this season - from hoping for car crashes to "happy to chin anyone that goes". Sometimes it’s hard to believe we all support the same team.

It seems amongst all the name calling and mud slinging we’ve forgotten that simple fact.

In that case then we will not hear anymore posts from you about CCFC fans going to watch Cov at MK or big name cup games?

 

[Nick]

In that case then we will not hear anymore posts from you about CCFC fans going to watch Cov at MK or big name cup games?

I don't think anybody actually has a problem with them, it's just when people spout about giving sisu money or supporting franchise clubs

 

[Spionkop]

You can't resist it Torchy, can you.
If you disagree with anyone you abuse them. I think we can take you out of the equation.
Mr Trench, with respect, I'm very calm and very logical. No moments here I can assure you.
Please disagree with me if you will, but do it nicely.
I care about my club (have done for in excess of 55 years) and I'm not going to lay down and say nothing.
One thing I'm not going to be is neutral.
There are things to be said, and I'm going to be one of them that keeps saying them.
Going to Sixfields is a betrayal of our club. Dress it up however you like, it is a betrayal.

 

[Spionkop]

Turkey, yes I disagree with you. With the greatest respect.

 

[TurkeyTrot]

Turkey, yes I disagree with you. With the greatest respect.

What do you disagree with?

 

[torchomatic]

I strongly disagree, but there you go. You are causing as many divisions as SISU IMHO.

Going to Sixfields is a betrayal of our club. Dress it up however you like, it is a betrayal.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I strongly disagree, but there you go. You are causing as many divisions as SISU IMHO.

To be fair he wasn't the one who took the club out of the city-but it is pouring petrol onto the fire somewhat.

 

[Spionkop]

Turkey, disagree with pretty well all you said. But at least you discuss stuff with grace.
I would never criticise the Hillers. I've been one three times this season. In fact, I'd give them medals.
No, filling Sixfields. Never. The only thing that motivates Sisu is money. Not the long term, the community aspect of things. They just don't care. So giving them money at Sixfields is a non starter. Hit them where it hurts.
As for away games. I went to 15 away games this season and bought my tickets off the home club each time. Sisu didn't get a penny. I usually sit in the home club's main stand. It's so easy to do.
And I get to sit down which I prefer. And I can rattle my jewelry!
Hey, if CCFC come back to the Ricoh I'll be first in the queue, just like you I guess.

 

[The Gentleman]

I don't think anybody actually has a problem with them, it's just when people spout about giving sisu money or supporting franchise clubs

Oh right, so the comment was never made unless in response when someone was having a go at them?

 

[Spionkop]

Don't think I'm causing any divisions. I'm expressing an opinion. An opinion I think is shared by many. That's why they stay away from Sixfields.
There are no real divisions amongst the fanbase, the vast majority stay away from Sixfields. And I applaud that.
I'd say City fans are pretty well together in opposition to Sixfields. They know it's wrong. Very wrong.

 

[TurkeyTrot]

Turkey, disagree with pretty well all you said. But at least you discuss stuff with grace.
I would never criticise the Hillers. I've been one three times this season. In fact, I'd give them medals.
No, filling Sixfields. Never. The only thing that motivates Sisu is money. Not the long term, the community aspect of things. They just don't care. So giving them money at Sixfields is a non starter. Hit them where it hurts.
As for away games. I went to 15 away games this season and bought my tickets off the home club each time. Sisu didn't get a penny. I usually sit in the home club's main stand. It's so easy to do.
And I get to sit down which I prefer. And I can rattle my jewelry!
Hey, if CCFC come back to the Ricoh I'll be first in the queue, just like you I guess.

No, I'll never give SISU another penny I will not return to supporting my club until SISU have gone.
But that is my personal view and wouldn't force it on anyone or criticise anyone who disagreed with me.
I was talking about effective protest. The hill is great, makes me feel better, whether it's effective is anyone's guess but I believe the only effective protest now is to push the panic buttons of the football league and the only way to do that is to get the rest of the member clubs to force the issue. I suggested a way for that to happen.

 

[Danceswithhorses]

I strongly disagree, but there you go. You are causing as many divisions as SISU IMHO.

You really believe that Spion is more devisive than Sisu ?

 

[wingy]

No, I'll never give SISU another penny I will not return to supporting my club until SISU have gone.
But that is my personal view and wouldn't force it on anyone or criticise anyone who disagreed with me.
I was talking about effective protest. The hill is great, makes me feel better, whether it's effective is anyone's guess but I believe the only effective protest now is to push the panic buttons of the football league and the only way to do that is to get the rest of the member clubs to force the issue. I suggested a way for that to happen.

Just can't see that outcome from your suggestion TT.

 

[torchomatic]

Nah, probably not. But he certainly is divisive with his contact "betrayal" comments. He adds fuel to the fire, which is probably what he intends to do.

You really believe that Spion is more devisive than Sisu ?

 

[Grendel]

Don't think I'm causing any divisions. I'm expressing an opinion. An opinion I think is shared by many. That's why they stay away from Sixfields.
There are no real divisions amongst the fanbase, the vast majority stay away from Sixfields. And I applaud that.
I'd say City fans are pretty well together in opposition to Sixfields. They know it's wrong. Very wrong.

Most people who don't go to Sixfields just find it inconvenient and not worth it. Most don't share you jaundiced vitriol you sad, stupid little man.

 

[TurkeyTrot]

Just can't see that outcome from your suggestion TT.

You're probably right Wingy, point I'm making is that we can have totally opposing views about how as fans we should approach this but fundamentally we all want the same thing and that's what we should be focusing on, not the divisive stuff.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Astute, not having a go at you personally but I was at a meeting many many years ago with Paul Fletcher before any of us had even heard of SISU (the guy who struck the deal with the club while working for ACL) he was saying way back then that the rent was unsustainable and pleas for help from ACL were falling on deaf ears. Not having a go at ACL, it's their business but they sure didn't help the matter, they're not some sort of fairy god mother that cares for the club, they are a business.

Did you ask Paul Fletcher then why his signature was on the rental agreement?

 

[TurkeyTrot]

Did you ask Paul Fletcher then why his signature was on the rental agreement?

Yes, because he got the best deal for ACL. Although I would argue that tying down your anchor tenant to an unsustainable rent isn't really getting the best deal long term. I was answering a specific point that was made about certain parties caring for the club. I disagreed, it was, is and should be about business.

 

[The Gentleman]

Most people who don't go to Sixfields just find it inconvenient and not worth it. Most don't share you jaundiced vitriol you sad, stupid little man.

Well then I'm glad I am in the minority that don't go because Sixfields it is not in Coventry which is where our home games should be played. Your not throwing insults around and being quite childish because of a very recent court case verdict are you? I wonder if your mood/posts would have contained a different more 'I told you so' tone if the result would have gone the other way.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Yes, because he got the best deal for ACL. Although I would argue that tying down your anchor tenant to an unsustainable rent isn't really getting the best deal long term. I was answering a specific point that was made about certain parties caring for the club. I disagreed, it was, is and should be about business.

I don't disagree with what your saying, I just don't like hypocrites such as Paul Fletcher.

 

[Danceswithhorses]

Nah, probably not. But he certainly is divisive with his contact "betrayal" comments. He adds fuel to the fire, which is probably what he intends to do.

LOL...and you don't throw petrol on the fire too ?

 

[skybluetony176]

Most people who don't go to Sixfields just find it inconvenient and not worth it. Most don't share you jaundiced vitriol you sad, stupid little man.

That must be why 7000 went directly past it to get to the MK game. Hell the train even stops at Northampton.

 

[TurkeyTrot]

I don't disagree with what your saying, I just don't like hypocrites such as Paul Fletcher.

Me neither, this was around six months before he jacked. My own view at the time was the deal was done with the club in a very weak position so agreed because the alternative was admin.
Probably saw what was coming...

 

[shmmeee]

Most people who don't go to Sixfields just find it inconvenient and not worth it. Most don't share you jaundiced vitriol you sad, stupid little man.

Source? Literally every comment thread is one sided, every FB thread. In fact I've yet to find anyone staying away from Sixfields because of inconvenience personally, yet you continue to peddle this myth that there is no boycott and it's the actions of a small minority.

This high paying job you have, it isn't as the PR man for a military dictatorship is it?

 

[Grendel]

Me neither, this was around six months before he jacked. My own view at the time was the deal was done with the club in a very weak position so agreed because the alternative was admin.
Probably saw what was coming...

He quit the day after they beat Man U in the cup after the Manhatten deal collapsed.