Giggs (not Ryan) (9 Viewers)

[dongonzalos]

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/wh...-news/no-big-summer-concert-coventrys-7132760

 

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[covmark]

That'll be gigs then

 

[dongonzalos]

That'll be gigs then

Yes sorry the predictive put in the second G for me on the phone I saw it as I pressed send

 

[torchomatic]

Psychic Sally is there though so it's not all bad news.

And yes, I realise that was equally as predictive.

Yes sorry the predictive put in the second G for me on the phone I saw it as I pressed send

 

[wince]

Psychic Sally is there though so it's not all bad news

Psychic sally has been cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances

 

[torchomatic]

It's ok blaming the World Cup this year. What will they blame it on next year?

Have all venues suffered because of the world cup then?

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[stupot07]

Barry Manilow's singing at Portman Road.....


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[Hobo]

It's ok blaming the World Cup this year. What will they blame it on next year?

Have all venues suffered because of the world cup then?

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All venues will never suffer; in a given market. Economic basics....have you evidence that the market isn't 
suppressed through the World Cup and other economic factors?

 

[stupot07]

The lack of a big name performer for 2014 has been partly blamed on the World Cup – despite the fact the venue managed to secure Bon Jovi and the Red Hot Chili Peppers during the 2006 World Cup.

It also attracted over 30,000 people to watch Pink perform in the stadium bowl in June 2010 – again while the World Cup tournament was being contested.


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[Grendel]

The lack of a big name performer for 2014 has been partly blamed on the World Cup – despite the fact the venue managed to secure Bon Jovi and the Red Hot Chili Peppers during the 2006 World Cup.

It also attracted over 30,000 people to watch Pink perform in the stadium bowl in June 2010 – again while the World Cup tournament was being contested.


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Oh dear.....the silence will be deafining.

 

[torchomatic]

All venues will never suffer; in a given market. Economic basics....have you evidence that the market isn't 
suppressed through the World Cup and other economic factors?

Nerve touched I see.

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[chiefdave]

Whoever that spokesman is at the Ricoh is talking absolute rubbish. The most likely reason for their not being any shows at the Ricoh this summer is simply that major artist touring cycles have coincided to give a year when there's a very limited number of stadium sized acts on tour. The world cup doesn't enter booking agents thoughts in the slightest. At the very most it would be avoid having a show at the same time as the final.

 

[Grendel]

All venues will never suffer; in a given market. Economic basics....have you evidence that the market isn't 
suppressed through the World Cup and other economic factors?

It wasn't in previous World Cups as highlighted by stupot.

Out of interest what are the other economic factors you refer to. I'm interested as GDP and public spending is increasing year on year. What do you mean?

 

[Grendel]

Whoever that spokesman is at the Ricoh is talking absolute rubbish. The most likely reason for their not being any shows at the Ricoh this summer is simply that major artist touring cycles have coincided to give a year when there's a very limited number of stadium sized acts on tour. The world cup doesn't enter booking agents thoughts in the slightest. At the very most it would be avoid having a show at the same time as the final.

You really worship ACL don't you? More than anyone on this forum. That takes some doing.

 

[chiefdave]

Also worth pointing out you would struggle to find a stadium venue in this country outside of Wembley which has staged shows every single year since 2006. Thats a very good record for the Ricoh. I would only be really concerned if we see two summers in a row without shows, that would indicate that for some reason promoters have decided to stop using the venue.

 

[chiefdave]

You really worship ACL don't you? More than anyone on this forum. That takes some doing.

You've made a huge leap there from me saying an ACL employee is talking absolute rubbish to me worshipping ACL, not entirely sure how you've got there.

This is my area of work, booking these type of tours, so I thought I'd give my view, that's all. As you seem to know more about my area of employment than me maybe you'd like to give an explanation as to why there's no shows at the Ricoh this summer.

 

[Grendel]

You've made a huge leap there from me saying an ACL employee is talking absolute rubbish to me worshipping ACL, not entirely sure how you've got there.

This is my area of work, booking these type of tours, so I thought I'd give my view, that's all. As you seem to know more about my area of employment than me maybe you'd like to give an explanation as to why there's no shows at the Ricoh this summer.

For the same reason there is no rugby World Cup, there is no Heineken cup games, there is no show jumping or Northampton saints (chortle chortle) and there are no England under 21 games.

There is no permenant resident and there is a clueless management company flapping and flailing and trying to pretend their moved on.

All just my opinion of course.

 

[Hobo]

It wasn't in previous World Cups as highlighted by stupot.

Out of interest what are the other economic factors you refer to. I'm interested as GDP and public spending is increasing year on year. What do you mean?

I was asking for evidence the market isn't suppressed? Not stating it was. But anyone with knowledge of the 'current' music industry (not Rush) will tell you it is changing; challenging and in flux...not necessarily in line with GDP and public spending and Cameron spin

 

[Grendel]

I was asking for evidence the market isn't suppressed? Not stating it was. But anyone with knowledge of the 'current' music industry (not Rush) will tell you it is changing; challenging and in flux...not necessarily in line with GDP and public spending and Cameron spin

So you clearly have knowledge. Educate the forum as to how it is changing.

I'm not anticipating much knowledge as its valiant who likes rush and not me.

 

[ccfcway]

For the same reason there is no rugby World Cup, there is no Heineken cup games, there is no show jumping or Northampton saints (chortle chortle) and there are no England under 21 games.

There is no permenant resident and there is a clueless management company flapping and flailing and trying to pretend their moved on.

All just my opinion of course.

as opposed to the on schedule new stadium announcement from the club ?

 

[chiefdave]

For the same reason there is no rugby World Cup, there is no Heineken cup games, there is no show jumping or Northampton saints (chortle chortle) and there are no England under 21 games.

There is no permenant resident and there is a clueless management company flapping and flailing and trying to pretend their moved on.

All just my opinion of course.

No promoter is going to give a second thought to any of those things, if they did there would never be a show at Milton Keynes Bowl, Donington Park or Knebworth. Promoters are concerned with punters turning up, the venue being up to scratch and logistics, that's pretty much it.

I have no idea why those other events aren't at the Ricoh, not my area of work so your guess is as good as mine but lets look at the fact regarding gigs. The Ricoh has had at least one stadium tour every summer since 2006, I'm struggling to think of another regional venue that has a track record like that. There may be a handful but it's not common. The attendances at all the shows have been good, that's the biggest thing promoters care about. As for clueless management company, they may well be that in other areas but I can tell you they are very highly regarded in the live music business as being one of the best teams to work with which is why they get nominated for industry awards.

Of course it could be something has changed, they may have had a falling out with someone important or changed their booking terms (have to say I haven't heard anything about either of those things happening but you never know) but looking at the facts in all likelihood the most plausible reason for their being no shows this summer is the lack of suitable stadium tours due to the way touring cycles have fallen. If people want to believe something more sinister then that's fine but, unless I hear something at work, I would be inclined to wait and see what happens next summer before declaring things doom and gloom.

 

[Limey]

Even less for the marketing folk at Ricoh to get excited about......

I hope all sides see sense over summer. Ideally with a fresh start minus SISU imo.

 

[Grendel]

as opposed to the on schedule new stadium announcement from the club ?

What the fuck are you on about? I will engage in sensible debate with Chiefdave who is mature and rational in his counter argument.

Then we get an insignificant twerp like you with no intellect, no debate and no valuable contrubution

Its past your bedtime - go away.

 

[chiefdave]

I was asking for evidence the market isn't suppressed? Not stating it was. But anyone with knowledge of the 'current' music industry (not Rush) will tell you it is changing; challenging and in flux...not necessarily in line with GDP and public spending and Cameron spin

The music industry at that size of show is doing incredibly well. There are areas where the business is struggling, and there is certainly a struggle to find bands who can sustain stadium sized tours on a regular basis in the way the likes of Bon Jovi, Rolling Stones, U2 have but generally the summer stadium tours are doing well.

A lot of the stadium bands are touring less frequently and there's a lack of bands who can fill stadium venues tour after tour which of course means a risk to promoters. If you put someone like Pink for example on a stadium tour for the first time you're not really sure if you're going to sell tickets or the level of promotion you will need to do to achieve the level of sales you need. Sure you will have some idea from the volume and speed of ticket sales from arena shows but you wouldn't have the same level of confidence you would booking someone like Bon Jovi who you know will shift tickets.

A potential threat to the types of tours we see at the Ricoh is the divergence of festivals. A few years ago the types of bands who would play festivals were very limited, now there are all sorts of festivals and it's less of a risk for an agent to book his artist onto a show like that, where they don't have sole responsibility for ticket sales.

The other thing that could be an issue is logistics. In recent years we've moved from a handful of acts (mainly U2 and the Stones) having huge, technically complex shows to them being a regular occurrence. Obviously there is a lot more work, and therefore cost, in setting up and breaking down those shows so what tends to happen is, where there is sufficient demand, a band will do multiple nights in a smaller number of stadiums. Coventry isn't a big enough city for promoters to risk booking multiple nights so there is potentially lost business there.

Worst thing that could happen for ACL is for one of the Birmingham stadiums to step up their game, given the option promoters will tend to favour a city with a bigger population as stadium shows need to draw more casual fans. Fortunately for ACL, for whatever reason, that doesn't really seem to be happening.

 

[chiefdave]

I hope all sides see sense over summer.

Would be nice, any result in the JR and goings on over the summer that brings a resolution is fine with me. Just get it over with and move on. If that means CCC or Higgs lose money or ACL ceases to exist then, sorry, but the club comes first and if this isn't sorted soon we're going to reach a tipping point where even if we do come back nobody will be bothered anymore.

 

[Grendel]

The music industry at that size of show is doing incredibly well. There are areas where the business is struggling, and there is certainly a struggle to find bands who can sustain stadium sized tours on a regular basis in the way the likes of Bon Jovi, Rolling Stones, U2 have but generally the summer stadium tours are doing well.

A lot of the stadium bands are touring less frequently and there's a lack of bands who can fill stadium venues tour after tour which of course means a risk to promoters. If you put someone like Pink for example on a stadium tour for the first time you're not really sure if you're going to sell tickets or the level of promotion you will need to do to achieve the level of sales you need. Sure you will have some idea from the volume and speed of ticket sales from arena shows but you wouldn't have the same level of confidence you would booking someone like Bon Jovi who you know will shift tickets.

A potential threat to the types of tours we see at the Ricoh is the divergence of festivals. A few years ago the types of bands who would play festivals were very limited, now there are all sorts of festivals and it's less of a risk for an agent to book his artist onto a show like that, where they don't have sole responsibility for ticket sales.

The other thing that could be an issue is logistics. In recent years we've moved from a handful of acts (mainly U2 and the Stones) having huge, technically complex shows to them being a regular occurrence. Obviously there is a lot more work, and therefore cost, in setting up and breaking down those shows so what tends to happen is, where there is sufficient demand, a band will do multiple nights in a smaller number of stadiums. Coventry isn't a big enough city for promoters to risk booking multiple nights so there is potentially lost business there.

Worst thing that could happen for ACL is for one of the Birmingham stadiums to step up their game, given the option promoters will tend to favour a city with a bigger population as stadium shows need to draw more casual fans. Fortunately for ACL, for whatever reason, that doesn't really seem to be happening.

You clearly are experienced in this field. What do you do?

 

[chiefdave]

You clearly are experienced in this field. What do you do?

I'm a contractor, mainly logistics these days so I look at proposed tour routings and the tour requirements to see if its workable and then go from there. Done all sorts tho, working in the music business is a bit like being in a band, you start at the bottom travelling around in a shitty van not get paid until someone notices you know what you're doing and offers to pay you!

Interesting fact of the day for you Grendel, I once sat next to Fish (and behind Gary Numan) at a Spice Girls show. Neither of whom were the type of people I was expecting to see there!

 

[Hobo]

The music industry at that size of show is doing incredibly well. There are areas where the business is struggling, and there is certainly a struggle to find bands who can sustain stadium sized tours on a regular basis in the way the likes of Bon Jovi, Rolling Stones, U2 have but generally the summer stadium tours are doing well.

A lot of the stadium bands are touring less frequently and there's a lack of bands who can fill stadium venues tour after tour which of course means a risk to promoters. If you put someone like Pink for example on a stadium tour for the first time you're not really sure if you're going to sell tickets or the level of promotion you will need to do to achieve the level of sales you need. Sure you will have some idea from the volume and speed of ticket sales from arena shows but you wouldn't have the same level of confidence you would booking someone like Bon Jovi who you know will shift tickets.

A potential threat to the types of tours we see at the Ricoh is the divergence of festivals. A few years ago the types of bands who would play festivals were very limited, now there are all sorts of festivals and it's less of a risk for an agent to book his artist onto a show like that, where they don't have sole responsibility for ticket sales.

The other thing that could be an issue is logistics. In recent years we've moved from a handful of acts (mainly U2 and the Stones) having huge, technically complex shows to them being a regular occurrence. Obviously there is a lot more work, and therefore cost, in setting up and breaking down those shows so what tends to happen is, where there is sufficient demand, a band will do multiple nights in a smaller number of stadiums. Coventry isn't a big enough city for promoters to risk booking multiple nights so there is potentially lost business there.

Worst thing that could happen for ACL is for one of the Birmingham stadiums to step up their game, given the option promoters will tend to favour a city with a bigger population as stadium shows need to draw more casual fans. Fortunately for ACL, for whatever reason, that doesn't really seem to be happening.

A good answer, which shows how diverse and complex the market it is. I am sure you understand getting big acts into an arena is no easy business, not as easy as some people on here think.

I am sure SISU don't see their long term investment as being in a football team and a rock n roll venue....so some SISU backers who think they will run the Ricoh to CCFC's benefit need to get their head round the bigger picture.

 

[Tonylinc]

The music industry at that size of show is doing incredibly well. There are areas where the business is struggling, and there is certainly a struggle to find bands who can sustain stadium sized tours on a regular basis in the way the likes of Bon Jovi, Rolling Stones, U2 have but generally the summer stadium tours are doing well.

A lot of the stadium bands are touring less frequently and there's a lack of bands who can fill stadium venues tour after tour which of course means a risk to promoters. If you put someone like Pink for example on a stadium tour for the first time you're not really sure if you're going to sell tickets or the level of promotion you will need to do to achieve the level of sales you need. Sure you will have some idea from the volume and speed of ticket sales from arena shows but you wouldn't have the same level of confidence you would booking someone like Bon Jovi who you know will shift tickets.

A potential threat to the types of tours we see at the Ricoh is the divergence of festivals. A few years ago the types of bands who would play festivals were very limited, now there are all sorts of festivals and it's less of a risk for an agent to book his artist onto a show like that, where they don't have sole responsibility for ticket sales.

The other thing that could be an issue is logistics. In recent years we've moved from a handful of acts (mainly U2 and the Stones) having huge, technically complex shows to them being a regular occurrence. Obviously there is a lot more work, and therefore cost, in setting up and breaking down those shows so what tends to happen is, where there is sufficient demand, a band will do multiple nights in a smaller number of stadiums. Coventry isn't a big enough city for promoters to risk booking multiple nights so there is potentially lost business there.

Worst thing that could happen for ACL is for one of the Birmingham stadiums to step up their game, given the option promoters will tend to favour a city with a bigger population as stadium shows need to draw more casual fans. Fortunately for ACL, for whatever reason, that doesn't really seem to be happening.

As a side note.....having a roof over the venue helps!