The name game (33 Viewers)

[Danceswithhorses]

I have made a statement tonight that RFC is in my opinion a council plant. Now I would not normally single out a poster but I have to conclude the agenda is to create hysteria and unity against his apparent beliefs. It's a common strategy I've deployed on several occasions. The tipping point was the absurd statement regarding the Ricoh and non attendance. By apparently supporting sisu he creates pro council unity even amongst the sceptics and undecided.

My view also is;

There is one obvious sisu plant here

Another council plant who deploys the alternate strategy

One who is PWKH with an alternate identity - Or a follower

One who is clearly associated with Higgs

Just my opinion of course.

Poster with rabidly one-sided, anti-council views, accuses other poster with similar, rabidly one-sided, anti-council views, of being a council plant ?
This is comedy gold.
Did someone have too much JD last night ?

 

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[shmmeee]

Westwood has gone to Sunderland and we have left the the Ricoh!


Yes, it was too late!

And yes I have found a funny gif site!

Ha! I edited, now you are the fool!

 

[Norman Binns]

Poster with rabidly one-sided, anti-council views, accuses other poster with similar, rabidly one-sided, anti-council views, to be a council plant ?
This is comedy gold.
Did someone have too much JD last night ?

Not only that, he's also admitted using the strategy himself on several occasions. He must have been intoxicated on JD to post that. A totally absurd, paradoxical statement and questions have to be asked about his state of mind.

 

[shy_tall_knight]

I think RFC = Pete from Cheylesmore on the skyblue phone in, confused right wing politics with a deep hate of CCC to justify anything SISU do and genuinely surprised why so many fans boycotted Sixfields

 

[6 Generations]

I have made a statement tonight that RFC is in my opinion a council plant. Now I would not normally single out a poster but I have to conclude the agenda is to create hysteria and unity against his apparent beliefs. It's a common strategy I've deployed on several occasions. The tipping point was the absurd statement regarding the Ricoh and non attendance. By apparently supporting sisu he creates pro council unity even amongst the sceptics and undecided.

My view also is;

There is one obvious sisu plant here

Another council plant who deploys the alternate strategy

One who is PWKH with an alternate identity - Or a follower

One who is clearly associated with Higgs

Just my opinion of course.

RFC has views that are not shared by the majority. nor, at times can he justify some of his statements.

However, i do know the chap and although our opinions are at times poles apart, he really is good company and he has supported our club for about 60 years.

 

[Grendel]

Not only that, he's also admitted using the strategy himself on several occasions. He must have been intoxicated on JD to post that. A totally absurd, paradoxical statement and questions have to be asked about his state of mind.

It is hardly absurd or paradoxical in my case.

The council created the situation the club is in by providing the worst rental deal of every club in the country that is council owned.

I will always put the club first. I want the club to gain maximum advantage and I want the club to have the revenues and ownership it is due having already paid millions in overcharged rent.

The purpose of the thread (other than trying to get RFC to defend his position) is to see the irony in what people like you and Dancing with Horses post with predictable rancour.

Woul you and he put the club first - no you would blather on about fair market value - doing the right thing - conveniently ignoring the wrong thing was done in the first place.

On a football forum the accusation of being a troll or a plant ( something I am often accused of) is levied by people who put the club a distant second

It is ironic - the plants, the trolls are in reality those who whine about fair values, about ACL and about getting them a fair deal. They are people like you - take a look in the mirror - you will not like what you see.

 

[skybluepm2]

I want to be a 'plant'. Or is it a tree? Yes, I think I want to be a tree.

You'll never replace Clive Platt. There's only one Tree

 

[skybluepm2]

Rather than a witch hunt, can't we just enjoy these people for the obvious clowns they are??

Schadenfreude anyone?

Bring back Paul Marston..the biggest tosser ever to grace a forum

 

[shy_tall_knight]

RFC has views that are not shared by the majority. nor, at times can he justify some of his statements.

However, i do know the chap and although our opinions are at times poles apart, he really is good company and he has supported our club for about 60 years.

More the reason that he should not be so anti ccc/acl and so pro sisu, there is fault on all sides and needs to show balance. Does he live in Cheylesmore and go by the name Pete

 

[martcov]

It is hardly absurd or paradoxical in my case.

The council created the situation the club is in by providing the worst rental deal of every club in the country that is council owned.

I will always put the club first. I want the club to gain maximum advantage and I want the club to have the revenues and ownership it is due having already paid millions in overcharged rent.

The purpose of the thread (other than trying to get RFC to defend his position) is to see the irony in what people like you and Dancing with Horses post with predictable rancour.

Woul you and he put the club first - no you would blather on about fair market value - doing the right thing - conveniently ignoring the wrong thing was done in the first place.

On a football forum the accusation of being a troll or a plant ( something I am often accused of) is levied by people who put the club a distant second

It is ironic - the plants, the trolls are in reality those who whine about fair values, about ACL and about getting them a fair deal. They are people like you - take a look in the mirror - you will not like what you see.

"The council created the situation the club is in by providing the worst rental deal of every club in the country that is council owned."

No. That is at best a factor. The debts are massive, the mistakes of recent owners are huge, the running of the club was "sloppy", the accounting "a mess". To blame everything on the landlord is not on and distracts from the other problems and lets other people off the hook.

 

[bigfatronssba]

It is hardly absurd or paradoxical in my case.

The council created the situation the club is in by providing the worst rental deal of every club in the country that is council owned.

I will always put the club first. I want the club to gain maximum advantage and I want the club to have the revenues and ownership it is due having already paid millions in overcharged rent.

The purpose of the thread (other than trying to get RFC to defend his position) is to see the irony in what people like you and Dancing with Horses post with predictable rancour.

Woul you and he put the club first - no you would blather on about fair market value - doing the right thing - conveniently ignoring the wrong thing was done in the first place.

On a football forum the accusation of being a troll or a plant ( something I am often accused of) is levied by people who put the club a distant second

It is ironic - the plants, the trolls are in reality those who whine about fair values, about ACL and about getting them a fair deal. They are people like you - take a look in the mirror - you will not like what you see.

So would you happily see the city authority bankrupted so long as its puts the club at an advantage?

 

[Grendel]

If by your reasoning RFC is a CCC plant I would like you to consider yourself. You are on the same kind of wind up whilst attacking the council all the time. But you are not as good at trying to look unbiased as RFC is. So if he is a CCC plant would that make you a CCC weed? :thinking about:

The point of the OP (rfc aside)was really aimed at the people who made unfounded accusations at Rob S regarding being a sisu plant as a tactic to isolate individuals to support their own doctrine.

It was an attempt at parodying their behaviour similar to the principal characters in The Crucible.

It failed.

 

[Grendel]

So would you happily see the city authority bankrupted so long as its puts the club at an advantage?

They would not be "bankrupted" would they? Hyperbole and absurdity are your best friends.

 

[skybluetony176]

It is hardly absurd or paradoxical in my case.

The council created the situation the club is in by providing the worst rental deal of every club in the country that is council owned.

I will always put the club first. I want the club to gain maximum advantage and I want the club to have the revenues and ownership it is due having already paid millions in overcharged rent.

The purpose of the thread (other than trying to get RFC to defend his position) is to see the irony in what people like you and Dancing with Horses post with predictable rancour.

Woul you and he put the club first - no you would blather on about fair market value - doing the right thing - conveniently ignoring the wrong thing was done in the first place.

On a football forum the accusation of being a troll or a plant ( something I am often accused of) is levied by people who put the club a distant second

It is ironic - the plants, the trolls are in reality those who whine about fair values, about ACL and about getting them a fair deal. They are people like you - take a look in the mirror - you will not like what you see.

Grendull, if sisu were here for the benefit of the club you'd be 100% right. They have failed or are unwilling to demonstrate this to be the case. The only organisation set to gain from what you want to happen with is a hedge fund that has offices in London and a bank in a tax haven. You have pinned your hopes off benefits to the club on little more than sound bites and empty promises.

I cannot and never will champion a tax dodging hedge fund to gain at further expence to the tax payer. That's a basic principle I will not let slip for a fingers crossed hope that it will benefit the football club I support and I would question the morality off anyone who would.

If the council and/or councilors are found to have done wrong in the JR I hope heads role but that's no reason for sisu to gain financially.

And before any one says that if sisu benefit the club will, I would answer. Show me the statements made by either the club or sisu that show how this will happen. I think you'll struggle. Yet for all the filibuster, and there's been lots, we have no idea what arrangements will be for the club despite the ease of this exercise and it could win over the sceptics and possibly a large section of anti sisu camp. Yet on the thing that is most important to the club and its fans, nothing, zilch, the silence is defining.

 

[Grendel]

Grendull, if sisu were here for the benefit of the club you'd be 100% right. They have failed or are unwilling to demonstrate this to be the case. The only organisation set to gain from what you want to happen with is a hedge fund that has offices in London and a bank in a tax haven. You have pinned your hopes off benefits to the club on little more than sound bites and empty promises.

I cannot and never will champion a tax dodging hedge fund to gain at further expence to the tax payer. That's a basic principle I will not let slip for a fingers crossed hope that it will benefit the football club I support and I would question the morality off anyone who would.

If the council and/or councilors are found to have done wrong in the JR I hope heads role but that's no reason for sisu to gain financially.

And before any one says that if sisu benefit the club will, I would answer. Show me the statements made by either the club or sisu that show how this will happen. I think you'll struggle. Yet for all the filibuster, and there's been lots, we have no idea what arrangements will be for the club despite the ease of this exercise and it could win over the sceptics and possibly a large section of anti sisu camp. Yet on the thing that is most important to the club and its fans, nothing, zilch, the silence is defining.

The ultimate conclusion then is sisu stay in charge you would prefer the club to remain at Sixfields indefinitely rather than secure freehold of the ground.

 

[bigfatronssba]

They would not be "bankrupted" would they? Hyperbole and absurdity are your best friends.

I never said they would did I?

I was asking you a hypothetical question to see how far this "I put the club first" attitude goes.

 

[Grendel]

I never said they would did I?

I was asking you a hypothetical question to see how far this "I put the club first" attitude goes.

In that case why not go the whole hog and say would you choose the club or worlld peace? It lacks proportionality.

 

[bigfatronssba]

In that case why not go the whole hog and say would you choose the club or worlld peace? It lacks proportionality.

But saying that a £1.3m rent caused £60m of debt in 7 years doesn't lack proportionality?

 

[skybluetony176]

The ultimate conclusion then is sisu stay in charge you would prefer the club to remain at Sixfields indefinitely rather than secure freehold of the ground.

Yes. That would be the ultimate conclusion. There is no possible alternatives, oh wait, I've just had a brain storm.

I'm pretty sure that there is an all seater stadium just of junction 3 on the M6. I have it on good authority that although the offices are dingy it is available for rent over a football season. Now if only grown adults were mature enough to negotiate a deal that works for all parties involved. That sounds like an ultimate conclusion. Better than certain death in Northampton anyway.

 

[Grendel]

Yes. That would be the ultimate conclusion. There is no possible alternatives, oh wait, I've just had a brain storm.

I'm pretty sure that there is an all seater stadium just of junction 3 on the M6. I have it on good authority that although the offices are dingy it is available for rent over a football season. Now if only grown adults were mature enough to negotiate a deal that works for all parties involved. That sounds like an ultimate conclusion. Better than certain death in Northampton anyway.

That will not happen. So that option is removed.

 

[Grendel]

But saying that a £1.3m rent caused £60m of debt in 7 years doesn't lack proportionality?

It broke the last regime. Anyway why wouldn't you want a good deal for the club. Why wouldn't that be the overriding priority?

 

[bigfatronssba]

It broke the last regime. Anyway why wouldn't you want a good deal for the club. Why wouldn't that be the overriding priority?

Really? So everything was fine at HR was it?

I want what is best for the club and the city, and a incompetent hedge fund getting their hands on a local landmark on the cheap isn't good for the city.

 

[skybluetony176]

That will not happen. So that option is removed.

Says who?

 

[Samo]

In that case why not go the whole hog and say would you choose the club or worlld peace? It lacks proportionality.

Would you feel exactly as you do if say... the BNP owned the club?

 

[torchomatic]

Come on now. Don't be immature and resort to petty abuse.

I've always considered him to be the 50 year old full kit w*nker type.

 

[Grendel]

Would you feel exactly as you do if say... the BNP owned the club?

No clearly not

 

[skybluetony176]

That will not happen. So that option is removed.

Says who?

 

[torchomatic]

So, you're happy with a new stadium being built (obviously a big if) and the Ricoh left standing empty?

and a incompetent hedge fund getting their hands on a local landmark on the cheap isn't good for the city.

 

[RegTheDonk]

Its like Cluedo for City Fans.

 

[Samo]

No clearly not

So clearly it does matter who owns us and 'The Club' does not necessarily come first.

 

[Snozz_is_god]

Why exactly would the council or even sisu for that matter need "plants" on here?

It's quite clear this whole issue isn't affecting the council, and Sisu couldn't give a toss about what the fans think anyway.

Do some really believe that Fisher and Lucas are sat in their bunkers recruiting activists to go on Internet forums to spread their propaganda?

Is it not more likely that the likes of RFC just have a screw loose?

Agreed big fat Rons sky blue army.


I'm sure Nick could give me the official figures, but I'd take a guess that there are no more than 200 regular posters & probably a couple or three 100 lurkers.

Hardly worth SISU or CCC's time.

 

[shmmeee]

So, you're happy with a new stadium being built (obviously a big if) and the Ricoh left standing empty?

See, that's playing into the false dichotomy set up by Sisu. There are more than two possible outcomes here.

 

[shmmeee]

Agreed big fat Rons sky blue army.


I'm sure Nick could give me the official figures, but I'd take a guess that there are no more than 200 regular posters & probably a couple or three 100 lurkers.

Hardly worth SISU or CCC's time.

That's over 30% of the current fanbase!

 

[Jack Griffin]

There are more members of this site than the biggest Sixfields crowd..

 

[Gaz71]

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