ccfcway
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general consensus is that they wouldnt, but puts more pressure on ACL as a business
Not saying its right, just what i understand from those on here
Possible outcomes of the JR (12 Viewers)
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general consensus is that they wouldnt, but puts more pressure on ACL as a business
Not saying its right, just what i understand from those on here
magic82ball
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Well if that's it I don't know why we're all getting our knickers in a twist, just another abysmal tactic in their long game to distress ACL? Not likely to have much of an effect and certainly not the pivotal move in resolving this saga imho.
ccfcway
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I think its more pivital if SISU dont win, then what ?
ccfcway
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As the majority of us dont understand what SISU have to gain by winning, we have to assume they will get more out of this than trying to distress ACL ? (who knows what it is though) Grendal made a good point (i know !) earlier saying perhaps this is to draw out some info for another court battle somewhere down the line.
italiahorse
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skybluefred
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There is I suppose a possibility that evidence is allowed in the JR that CCC can use to commence proceedings against sisu in another court
on another day.
skybluetony176
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If all the "talk" of sisu wanting to talk to CCC and CCC not being interested is to be believed, you can't help but wonder if CCC have nothing to fear and by saying nothing are basically saying "you've made your bed, lye in it".
dongonzalos
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Judge finds in SISU's favour. However he deems not to sanction a remedy as he feels SISU's actions caused the council to make the decision in the first place
rupert_bear
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SSU will fold the business.
Grendel
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There is no possibility of that.
skybluetony176
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Why?
letsallsingtogether
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Well at all the meetings I have been to with various directors non directors owners etc of CCFC they seem to feel that they have it all sewn up.
They said they have offered CCC a deal not to go to court as the only winners are the lawyers is that really the only reason they have offered this deal?
After all we only have one side to this story. If the other bits I have heard from the other side are true and they come out at the JR hold on to your hats we are in for one real big bump.
He who speaks loudest does not always tell the truth beware the quiet man........
They said they have offered CCC a deal not to go to court as the only winners are the lawyers is that really the only reason they have offered this deal?
After all we only have one side to this story. If the other bits I have heard from the other side are true and they come out at the JR hold on to your hats we are in for one real big bump.
He who speaks loudest does not always tell the truth beware the quiet man........
On the other hand, the conspiracy theory was thrown out at the Higg's case. Thousands of pages of evidence, including a statement fom Joy and illustrations, were dismissed as irrelevant by the judge at the "warm up". That didn't seem to show a clear cut case. The council apparently said "see you at the High Court".
They don't seem to be too worried either.
It would seem that both sides are going to win..... based on what they say ;-)
They don't seem to be too worried either.
It would seem that both sides are going to win..... based on what they say ;-)
James Smith
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If Sisu are trying to back out of the JR now then I'm reminded of the quote from R.K. Lilley who said "Don't start a war you can't win, my friend." The same can be said of all sides in this mess.
James Smith
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Who is the company/or who are the companies listed as taking out or starting the JR?
What do I really think will happen, one of the outcomes in the post I made earlier - I haven't seen any of the evidence and just wish they'd get this over and done with.
SkyblueBazza
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I reckon SISU will come in on the attack with some major revelation that nobody had thought of. TF will wet his pants in the excitement, then wail inconsolably when the judge dismiss it as ludicrous.
As the event continues the smell of TFs wet pants becomes too much for Joy who sprays him with her perfume. ML likes the smell & becomes amorous towards TF & Joy & it all degenerates into the usual SISU fck-up!
CCC officials in the meantime are deep in conversation about how to thwart the now relentless UKIP march. AL declares the city an independent state & bans UKIP & all political parties & sets up a military junta to maintain the peace. The FL & FA are now relieved as they can simply ignore CCFC altogether since they have no place in the English league anymore. CCFC win the championship of Coventry after an unbeaten run throughout the season. Coventry Sphinx are second Coventry United third...but aren't relegated as there is no other league.
Then my head implodes as really speaking the possibilities are endless & considering them all is pointless.
What will be will be e.g. I'm going to the rugby next weekend so sod the lot of them!
PUSB
As the event continues the smell of TFs wet pants becomes too much for Joy who sprays him with her perfume. ML likes the smell & becomes amorous towards TF & Joy & it all degenerates into the usual SISU fck-up!
CCC officials in the meantime are deep in conversation about how to thwart the now relentless UKIP march. AL declares the city an independent state & bans UKIP & all political parties & sets up a military junta to maintain the peace. The FL & FA are now relieved as they can simply ignore CCFC altogether since they have no place in the English league anymore. CCFC win the championship of Coventry after an unbeaten run throughout the season. Coventry Sphinx are second Coventry United third...but aren't relegated as there is no other league.
Then my head implodes as really speaking the possibilities are endless & considering them all is pointless.
What will be will be e.g. I'm going to the rugby next weekend so sod the lot of them!
PUSB
italiahorse
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I don't think the JR will be the end of it.
I believe SISU case will be thrown out and they will keep appealing until they get a judge that agrees with them.
Samo
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Any sensible suggestions?
italiahorse
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So you think there will be no appeal ?
skybluetony176
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That depends, see my OP. I believe that they can only appeal if they have fresh evidence to appeal with. No fresh evidence, no appeal.
That's my understanding anyway.
Samo
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italiahorse
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ccfcway
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Read this a few times. Genuine question, whio is it that is "speaking the loudest", as i cant work it out. Is it SISU or CCC ?
Samo
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The Gentleman
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Yes, Sisu drop the appeal. Take a short term rental agreement with a proviso to take of buying into the Ricoh. All parties come out and apologise and say they all want what is best for the club and it's fans. Sisu declare exactly what their plans are for CCFC and ACL, CCC and Sisu/Otium all commit to it with a view to making it happen.
dongonzalos
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CCC is the quite man
Kingokings204
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That's too sensible.
Kingokings204
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The JR doesn't hold all the answers for sure and I don't think sisu will just keep appealing and appealing though obviously it's a possibility but just don't even then wasting this time and money. Sure investors will have a word about that. A deal on the court steps is possible also but just my opinion is that if it has gone that far it will go through the 3 days. Does it have to last 3 days if the judge rules it a load of bollocks can he shut up shop after a day or 2?
I keep thinking this is all a nightmare and I will wake up sometime soon and we are watching huckerby weaving through the united defence again.
All we want is Coventry city playing in Coventry is that so much to ask. I wouldn't even mind watching Scott shearer, Eric deleumeux and Fabian debec if it meant back at the Ricoh.
I keep thinking this is all a nightmare and I will wake up sometime soon and we are watching huckerby weaving through the united defence again.
All we want is Coventry city playing in Coventry is that so much to ask. I wouldn't even mind watching Scott shearer, Eric deleumeux and Fabian debec if it meant back at the Ricoh.
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Ian Duncan Smith is revealed as our new owner, and fills the squad with benefits claiments on voluntary work experience.
Astute
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You can't appeal a JR unless there is new evidence that comes along. What new evidence could come out when all it is about is was the loan lawful at the time it was taken out? Was the loan the best thing to do at the time it was taken out?
The old gasworks area was counted as a regeneration area. CCC were given a grant towards the costs from the European regional development fund. Part of the funding was a 21m loan. This is the loan that was refinanced. The question being asked is that although the original loan was lawful could the refinancing of the loan be unlawful?
ACL were given the choice. 1.9m rent a year or 21m down payment. The 21m option was taken. So how can it go from lawful to unlawful? The whole process was overseen by the EU commission. If anything was wrong the grant from them wouldn't have been paid. And as said only anything done at the time to secure the future of a regeneration site can be taken into context. This is why everything was thrown out by the judge that Joy brought forward in her statement and other arguments. It is nothing to do with anything anyone said.
Nothing can come from rights to the venue either as when SISU stopped paying the rent and moved out they lost all rights to agreements in place. This includes the rights to the Higgs share. I can't see how there is any more points to take litigation further with a chance of getting anywhere. And before I am asked yet again I am not a barrister. I have never said I am. I will never say I am. I do have an idea of the way the law works. Nothing else. I was just a boy who grew up in the more 'select' areas of Coventry where you were better off having an understanding of the law
Will we be coming home after this process? I would say we will. All sides, including ourselves, will be better off. CCFC coming home will make the naming rights be worth more. This would wipe out the majority of the loan on the arena. So a very low rent can be offered. This would give our club the money to go forwards and get promoted. But it will only happen once SISU stop the litigation. No more comments like CCC have been made an offer but won't talk? Why not just tell us what the offer was? We can then see for ourselves if it was a proper offer and not something like the unencumbered freehold for a fiver
The biggest worry I have is that after the JR CCC will be free to talk. Lucas said ages ago that we will find everything out once it is done. I just hope it don't cause nothing but mudslinging and more litigation for defamation or similar. But it will be good for the truth to come out. If it don't I will be outside the offices to demonstrate until we get it.
The old gasworks area was counted as a regeneration area. CCC were given a grant towards the costs from the European regional development fund. Part of the funding was a 21m loan. This is the loan that was refinanced. The question being asked is that although the original loan was lawful could the refinancing of the loan be unlawful?
ACL were given the choice. 1.9m rent a year or 21m down payment. The 21m option was taken. So how can it go from lawful to unlawful? The whole process was overseen by the EU commission. If anything was wrong the grant from them wouldn't have been paid. And as said only anything done at the time to secure the future of a regeneration site can be taken into context. This is why everything was thrown out by the judge that Joy brought forward in her statement and other arguments. It is nothing to do with anything anyone said.
Nothing can come from rights to the venue either as when SISU stopped paying the rent and moved out they lost all rights to agreements in place. This includes the rights to the Higgs share. I can't see how there is any more points to take litigation further with a chance of getting anywhere. And before I am asked yet again I am not a barrister. I have never said I am. I will never say I am. I do have an idea of the way the law works. Nothing else. I was just a boy who grew up in the more 'select' areas of Coventry where you were better off having an understanding of the law
Will we be coming home after this process? I would say we will. All sides, including ourselves, will be better off. CCFC coming home will make the naming rights be worth more. This would wipe out the majority of the loan on the arena. So a very low rent can be offered. This would give our club the money to go forwards and get promoted. But it will only happen once SISU stop the litigation. No more comments like CCC have been made an offer but won't talk? Why not just tell us what the offer was? We can then see for ourselves if it was a proper offer and not something like the unencumbered freehold for a fiver
The biggest worry I have is that after the JR CCC will be free to talk. Lucas said ages ago that we will find everything out once it is done. I just hope it don't cause nothing but mudslinging and more litigation for defamation or similar. But it will be good for the truth to come out. If it don't I will be outside the offices to demonstrate until we get it.
The Prefect
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You can't appeal a JR unless there is new evidence that comes along. What new evidence could come out when all it is about is was the loan lawful at the time it was taken out? Was the loan the best thing to do at the time it was taken out?
The old gasworks area was counted as a regeneration area. CCC were given a grant towards the costs from the European regional development fund. Part of the funding was a 21m loan. This is the loan that was refinanced. The question being asked is that although the original loan was lawful could the refinancing of the loan be unlawful?
ACL were given the choice. 1.9m rent a year or 21m down payment. The 21m option was taken. So how can it go from lawful to unlawful? The whole process was overseen by the EU commission. If anything was wrong the grant from them wouldn't have been paid. And as said only anything done at the time to secure the future of a regeneration site can be taken into context. This is why everything was thrown out by the judge that Joy brought forward in her statement and other arguments. It is nothing to do with anything anyone said.
Nothing can come from rights to the venue either as when SISU stopped paying the rent and moved out they lost all rights to agreements in place. This includes the rights to the Higgs share. I can't see how there is any more points to take litigation further with a chance of getting anywhere. And before I am asked yet again I am not a barrister. I have never said I am. I will never say I am. I do have an idea of the way the law works. Nothing else. I was just a boy who grew up in the more 'select' areas of Coventry where you were better off having an understanding of the law
Will we be coming home after this process? I would say we will. All sides, including ourselves, will be better off. CCFC coming home will make the naming rights be worth more. This would wipe out the majority of the loan on the arena. So a very low rent can be offered. This would give our club the money to go forwards and get promoted. But it will only happen once SISU stop the litigation. No more comments like CCC have been made an offer but won't talk? Why not just tell us what the offer was? We can then see for ourselves if it was a proper offer and not something like the unencumbered freehold for a fiver
The biggest worry I have is that after the JR CCC will be free to talk. Lucas said ages ago that we will find everything out once it is done. I just hope it don't cause nothing but mudslinging and more litigation for defamation or similar. But it will be good for the truth to come out. If it don't I will be outside the offices to demonstrate until we get it.
Great post Astute. I agree, there seems to be very little that SISU can hang their hat for litigation if the ruling goes against them.
I'd suggest that CCC have been told to stay quiet until the JR is over and not to talk to anyone including SISU. Whatever 'offer' SISU have made, I wouldn't respond it either - while SISU have brought the JR case. Case dropped or case finished would be the only time I would answer.
Any offer seems to indicate that SISU want the Ricoh and don't want to build. If the council decide to sell ACL it should be under a covenant that ACL and the stadium remain under the club and not in the hands of separate 'investors'. Any sale of the club to be approved by CCC and must include the club and stadium combined. This way the stadium isn't used by SISU for investor value - and we can see whether SISU value the income it creates for the club or just the opportunity it gives to investors.
Ian1779
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Sadly its hope more than expectation.
J
Jack Griffin
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Lots of covenants would have to be in place, including punitive damages in the event of further legal action or breaking of the new terms. Trust isn't a sufficient guarantee.
The general view seems to be that CCC will probably win the JR ,of course they may prove to be wishful thinking, however most seem to think it won't prove a game changer for SISU. Similarly there doesn't seem any evidence that ACL are in any short/medium term danger. Indeed they are due a cash injection of £590,000 very shortly, ironically from SISU/Otium. A new stadium remains at best a distant dream, or to most fans an utter fantasy.You can't appeal a JR unless there is new evidence that comes along. What new evidence could come out when all it is about is was the loan lawful at the time it was taken out? Was the loan the best thing to do at the time it was taken out?
The old gasworks area was counted as a regeneration area. CCC were given a grant towards the costs from the European regional development fund. Part of the funding was a 21m loan. This is the loan that was refinanced. The question being asked is that although the original loan was lawful could the refinancing of the loan be unlawful?
ACL were given the choice. 1.9m rent a year or 21m down payment. The 21m option was taken. So how can it go from lawful to unlawful? The whole process was overseen by the EU commission. If anything was wrong the grant from them wouldn't have been paid. And as said only anything done at the time to secure the future of a regeneration site can be taken into context. This is why everything was thrown out by the judge that Joy brought forward in her statement and other arguments. It is nothing to do with anything anyone said.
Nothing can come from rights to the venue either as when SISU stopped paying the rent and moved out they lost all rights to agreements in place. This includes the rights to the Higgs share. I can't see how there is any more points to take litigation further with a chance of getting anywhere. And before I am asked yet again I am not a barrister. I have never said I am. I will never say I am. I do have an idea of the way the law works. Nothing else. I was just a boy who grew up in the more 'select' areas of Coventry where you were better off having an understanding of the law
Will we be coming home after this process? I would say we will. All sides, including ourselves, will be better off. CCFC coming home will make the naming rights be worth more. This would wipe out the majority of the loan on the arena. So a very low rent can be offered. This would give our club the money to go forwards and get promoted. But it will only happen once SISU stop the litigation. No more comments like CCC have been made an offer but won't talk? Why not just tell us what the offer was? We can then see for ourselves if it was a proper offer and not something like the unencumbered freehold for a fiver
The biggest worry I have is that after the JR CCC will be free to talk. Lucas said ages ago that we will find everything out once it is done. I just hope it don't cause nothing but mudslinging and more litigation for defamation or similar. But it will be good for the truth to come out. If it don't I will be outside the offices to demonstrate until we get it.
So the question now is where do SISU realistically go from here, what credible options do they now have? Every months their losses continue to mount, and the hole they're in just gets bigger and bigger.
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