sisu: 1 week till we hear the truth (4 Viewers)

[MichaelCCFC]

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sisu: 1 week till we hear the truth (kcic mailout 1 June 2014)


The Judicial Review starts 10 June and will be a critical point in the future of CCFC

• sisu have been pursuing the Judicial Review (JR) for over a year now
• The JR will determine the truth or otherwise of claims made by sisu
• If sisu win, those who have refused to ask questions of the Council will be very red faced
• If sisu lose, it's them who will be under the spotlight

"The truth will be known" - what Tim Fisher and Mark Labovitch say about the JR

• “It is important that the people of Coventry know what the council and others have done to the club over the years”
• “The JR gives no financial benefit to sisu other than to prove there was a conspiracy to wrest control of the football club from sisu by the council”
• ML pointed out that when the case is heard “the truth will be known”
• “If it transpires that acl was in fact balance sheet and cash flow insolvent as TF had said [in Decemebr 2012] then the council and councillors were in serious legal trouble supporting a loan for £14 million”*

Other news this week

• Just 84 full paying adult season tickets sold according to www.coventrycity-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/rumour__three_quarters_of_season_tickets_sold_are_concessionary_833718/index.shtml
• Former Sky Blues chairmen Geoffrey Robinson MP and Mike McGinnity have been forced to pay out a total of £300,000 to acl due to sisu not paying rent www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/former-coventry-city-chairmen-forced-7193749
• sisu have held a "secretive meeting with select group of fans" according to www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/sisu-boss-joy-seppala-outlines-7189081
• 'The Fall and Fall of Coventry City Football Club' - a view from the Open University! www.open.edu/openlearn/football-league-clubs/the-fall-and-fall-coventry-city-football-club
• Confusion over Football League deadline issued to Sky Blues plus talk of another points deduction www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/confusion-over-football-league-deadline-7195827

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*Quotes are from scg minutes at www.ccfc.co.uk/fans/scg/

 

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[Jack Griffin]

Very cautious, building a defensive position in case SISU win the JR.

I think myself it will be some sort of bloody draw with no one any further forward (and that is my pessimistic position, I would prefer it if SISU are told they have no case).

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I think myself it will be some sort of bloody draw with no one any further forward

You get a like because I agree with that view, not because I think it's a good thing!

Can't see how it'll be clean cut; there'll be dirty laundry on both sides, and enough gossip released to keep the endless bitching going well, endlessly.

 

[MichaelCCFC]

You get a like because I agree with that view, not because I think it's a good thing!

Can't see how it'll be clean cut; there'll be dirty laundry on both sides, and enough gossip released to keep the endless bitching going well, endlessly.

tbh have just always assumed sisu will win because they have pursued it so vigorously over such a long period of time. They must be confident to do that

 

[Deleted member 5849]

tbh have just always assumed sisu will win because they have pursued it so vigorously over such a long period of time. They must be confident to do that

Depends what the aim is. Winning or not may be down the scale of priorities for pursuing it.

 

[Bennets Afro]

Which ever way it goes. If it's reported right then it should all be out there for everyone to make their own mind up on matters and then we go from there.

Is it gonna get us back to the Ricoh? I doubt it
Could it change opinion? That's what I think Sisu are hoping for and then pressure will be placed on the council to do a deal with ACL

 

[Kingokings204]

I just want Coventry back home. Nothing is worse. I don't care who wins as the law and justice looks after itself as for what this means for ccfc we will wait and see.

I just can't see sisu keep playing at Nothampton for no reason if they lose. May as well sell up straight away or accept a dirt cheap rental deal.

 

[Jack Griffin]

You get a like because I agree with that view, not because I think it's a good thing!

Can't see how it'll be clean cut; there'll be dirty laundry on both sides, and enough gossip released to keep the endless bitching going well, endlessly.

Well if nothing else it will be good to let the dirty laundry have a good airing.. I want more openness, all this PR crap that is put in the media is a right downer, they all do it.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Well if nothing else it will be good to let the dirty laundry have a good airing.. I want more openness, all this PR crap that is put in the media is a right downer, they all do it.

That is indeed true, but then watch the PR crap be spun over the top of the openness afterwards!

 

[Jack Griffin]

That is indeed true, but then watch the PR crap be spun over the top of the openness afterwards!

True, it will take discipline & a lot of reading, but one will be able to go to the primary source.

 

[chorlton]

I'm not sure I agree with the general points of the post to be honest. I'm sure the JR will bring information out into the open but it seems that the JR is only looking at one narrow area of the whole mess at that is whether the loan broke State Aid rules (am I right? Happy to take back everything, I'm a nice guy I promise just trying to get a better understanding!)

Surely it's not the case that the winner of the is somehow morally superior?

Your say

• If sisu win, those who have refused to ask questions of the Council will be very red faced
• If sisu lose, it's them who will be under the spotlight

but is that not too simplistic?


By the way, thank you to all you have done with the KCIC campaign Michael. It seems that without you much of our response would have just been a whimper.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

True, it will take discipline & a lot of reading, but one will be able to go to the primary source.

Which we'll all come to with our preconceptions one way or another, and pull out the bits to support our already held views

 

[MichaelCCFC]

I'm not sure I agree with the general points of the post to be honest. I'm sure the JR will bring information out into the open but it seems that the JR is only looking at one narrow area of the whole mess at that is whether the loan broke State Aid rules (am I right? Happy to take back everything, I'm a nice guy I promise just trying to get a better understanding!)

Surely it's not the case that the winner of the is somehow morally superior?

Your say

• If sisu win, those who have refused to ask questions of the Council will be very red faced
• If sisu lose, it's them who will be under the spotlight

but is that not too simplistic?


By the way, thank you to all you have done with the KCIC campaign Michael. It seems that without you much of our response would have just been a whimper.

don't disagree with what you say and Northern and Jack are right in what they say about spin and lord alone knows what will come out. But the judicial review will determine one very definite point ie sisu's case is based on a conspiracy by the council to wrest control of the club including illegal state aid. The JR will say yes or no on that. So if sisu win, it will mean the coucil has acted illegally and that's serious. If sisu lose, then the argument they've been making for over a year will have been dismissed as untrue which will then put them in the dock so to speak. It's not going to resolve the situation and won't magically get us back to the ricoh but some people are underplaying its significance because it will be a really important moment for us - so long as the judge doesn't bottle it of course!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

don't disagree with what you say and Northern and Jack are right in what they say about spin and lord alone knows what will come out. But the judicial review will determine one very definite point ie sisu's case is based on a conspiracy by the council to wrest control of the club including illegal state aid. The JR will say yes or no on that. So if sisu win, it will mean the coucil has acted illegally and that's serious. If sisu lose, then the argument they've been making for over a year will have been dismissed as untrue which will then put them in the dock so to speak. It's not going to resolve the situation and won't magically get us back to the ricoh but some people are underplaying its significance because it will be a really important moment for us - so long as the judge doesn't bottle it of course!

Thing is, the council can indeed have both acted within the rules wrt the loan, and yet also have engaged in an effort to force a coup at the club.

That's why it can get messy!

 

[shmmeee]

Which ever way it goes. If it's reported right then it should all be out there for everyone to make their own mind up on matters and then we go from there.

Is it gonna get us back to the Ricoh? I doubt it
Could it change opinion? That's what I think Sisu are hoping for and then pressure will be placed on the council to do a deal with ACL

Sisu seriously underestimated the strength of apathy in our fanbase last season (3-7k fans), I fear they're doing the same again. There's been a concerted campaign against the council for months and it seems to have changed absolutely nothing in terms of public opinion.

Ultimately, most that I speak to only care where we play and see that as Sisu's game. Even if it comes out that the council spent millions on Sisu Out baloons and ACL was a basket case, I don't think the majority will change their view that it still didn't require us moving to Northampton. That case has never been made by Sisu. I assume if they have a case at all they'd have made it by now.

 

[Lord_Nampil]

Sisu seriously underestimated the strength of apathy in our fanbase last season (3-7k fans), I fear they're doing the same again. There's been a concerted campaign against the council for months and it seems to have changed absolutely nothing in terms of public opinion.

Ultimately, most that I speak to only care where we play and see that as Sisu's game. Even if it comes out that the council spent millions on Sisu Out baloons and ACL was a basket case, I don't think the majority will change their view that it still didn't require us moving to Northampton. That case has never been made by Sisu. I assume if they have a case at all they'd have made it by now.

Maybe they have tried but the PR hasn't worked, the thing is I think Tim has said get was wrong on the numbers, but has that been in the media.....

The JR will leave us to decide why we are in Northampton.... We can use that information to apply pressure on both sides to get us back!!!!

The problem is sisu aren't going to walk back into a long term rent agreement like before, not going to happen, maybe a rolling contract rent agreement with access to revenue streams while the ownership of the lease is sorted could be an option, but would require ACL to be significantly changed in its function, is that easy? From what I have been told know it's not...... Hence why sisu are saying they have to build a new stadium

 

[chorlton]

Thing is, the council can indeed have both acted within the rules wrt the loan, and yet also have engaged in an effort to force a coup at the club.

That's why it can get messy!

Or SISU can win the JR and still have acted in a way that is unethical.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Or SISU can win the JR and still have acted in a way that is unethical.

Indeed.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Well if Joy and Tim are to be believed then nothing will come out of the JR except the truth.
No matter who wins the result will not change where we are.
Council win stay in Northampton until new ground is built.
Sisu win stay in Northampton until new ground is built.

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

Well if Joy and Tim are to be believed then nothing will come out of the JR except the truth.
No matter who wins the result will not change where we are.
Council win stay in Northampton until new ground is built.
Sisu win stay in Northampton until new ground is built.

I fear that that is true, but hope that it isn't.

If we kick off next season in Northampton, it seems likely that we will be there for years.

If so, I wonder what state the club will be in when (if?) we return to Coventry.

 

[shmmeee]

Maybe they have tried but the PR hasn't worked, the thing is I think Tim has said get was wrong on the numbers, but has that been in the media.....

The JR will leave us to decide why we are in Northampton.... We can use that information to apply pressure on both sides to get us back!!!!

The problem is sisu aren't going to walk back into a long term rent agreement like before, not going to happen, maybe a rolling contract rent agreement with access to revenue streams while the ownership of the lease is sorted could be an option, but would require ACL to be significantly changed in its function, is that easy? From what I have been told know it's not...... Hence why sisu are saying they have to build a new stadium

Hey, if we need a new stadium, we need a new stadium.

But taking that as a starting point, they really couldn't have gone about it in a more amateurish and divisive fashion.

That's the thing about Sisu, even if you believe every word they say, they don't come out looking much more competent.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I fear that that is true, but hope that it isn't.

If we kick off next season in Northampton, it seems likely that we will be there for years.

If so, I wonder what state the club will be in when (if?) we return to Coventry.

Which would be a decent reason for pursuing the JR, if they saw it as the only way of getting info out there that would get fans onside.

Fear it's too far gone for that though... even if they happened to be 100% in the right!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Hey, if we need a new stadium, we need a new stadium.

But taking that as a starting point, they really couldn't have gone about it in a more amateurish and divisive fashion.

That's the thing about Sisu, even if you believe every word they say, they don't come out looking much more competent.

That is indeed true, and probably the most baffling thing really.

The secrecy, the poor PR etc you kind of expect... the total inability to run the thing efficiently, less so! Can accept being caught on the hop with having to go to Northampton, but since then has hardly seen a polished strategy, has it!

 

[shmmeee]

Which would be a decent reason for pursuing the JR, if they saw it as the only way of getting info out there that would get fans onside.

Fear it's too far gone for that though... even if they happened to be 100% in the right!

Should've done it from Coventry. Making it personal for the fans was a big misstep. A lot of what they say would play far better if we were in Coventry. Again, it's misunderstanding the amazing mix of apathy and stubbornness that goes into every Coventrian.

That is indeed true, and probably the most baffling thing really.

The secrecy, the poor PR etc you kind of expect... the total inability to run the thing efficiently, less so! Can accept being caught on the hop with having to go to Northampton, but since then has hardly seen a polished strategy, has it!

Indeed. The sad thing is most fans are probably silently begging to be convinced. I've said before, I'd love to believe we're on the up and everything will be rosy. I've got far more important things than football to get depressed about. I just don't believe, based on he evidence of the last 7 years, that they're particularly competent at running a football club. I wish they'd focus a little more on convincing fans of that, then maybe the other stuff would play a lot better.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

That's where the circles start however, whether it's that black and white, whether the fact the landlords were the council rather than Robinson and McGinitty etc.

It's an absolute truth however, that in terms of a move back at some point, still under SISU control, they need as many as possible either 'on their side' or at least willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

And in that respect, they may well be hoping the JR helps that, regardless of result.

Personally, given they've lost the PR war to date, I can't see it having any great effect even if it comes out Lucas is a serial rapist! (a joke btw Anne, I know you're not! Well, not know, but rather assume!)

 

[DazzleTommyDazzle]

Which would be a decent reason for pursuing the JR, if they saw it as the only way of getting info out there that would get fans onside.

Fear it's too far gone for that though... even if they happened to be 100% in the right!

I agree.

I love the intrigue as much as anyone, but after our "lost year", the only thing that matters is playing back in Coverntry.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

True enough unfortunately Joy has been hurt and a women scorned as they say..... So cannot see us ever coming back to Cov while they are in charge...


Hope I am wrong tho (wouldn't be the first time()

I agree.

I love the intrigue as much as anyone, but after our "lost year", the only thing that matters is playing back in Coverntry.

 

[MichaelCCFC]

That's where the circles start however, whether it's that black and white, whether the fact the landlords were the council rather than Robinson and McGinitty etc.

It's an absolute truth however, that in terms of a move back at some point, still under SISU control, they need as many as possible either 'on their side' or at least willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

And in that respect, they may well be hoping the JR helps that, regardless of result.

Personally, given they've lost the PR war to date, I can't see it having any great effect even if it comes out Lucas is a serial rapist! (a joke btw Anne, I know you're not! Well, not know, but rather assume!)

All the spin is a key reason for focusing on 2 points of clarity the JR should produce. First, the JR should determine whether the council was involved in a conspiracy and acted illegally OR is sisu's argument for the last year and more untrue (fingers crossed the Judge doesn't fudge it).

Second, there seem to be hints that there are documents in existence that will prove this is all the council's fault - a smoking gun if you like. Either a smoking gun will or won't be revealed - and it will need to be something big not just pics of councillors singing sisu out!

Muddying the waters and creating confusion is a key tactic in spin wars so focusing on two hopefully concrete outcomes of the JR is a good way to cut through the bs.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

All the spin is a key reason for focusing on 2 points of clarity the JR should produce. First, the JR should determine whether the council was involved in a conspiracy and acted illegally OR is sisu's argument for the last year and more untrue (fingers crossed the Judge doesn't fudge it).

Second, there seem to be hints that there are documents in existence that will prove this is all the council's fault - a smoking gun if you like. Either a smoking gun will or won't be revealed - and it will need to be something big not just pics of councillors singing sisu out!

Muddying the waters and creating confusion is a key tactic in spin wars so focusing on two hopefully concrete outcomes of the JR is a good way to cut through the bs.

No, it won't determine whether the council acted in a conspiracy against SISU, it'll determine whether their loan to ACL followed the rules or not.

 

[Grendel]

Frankly Michael your ranting is up there will Spion Kop and the lunatic fringe. It is riddled with council bias and offers no constructive strategy to get the club back. Its becoming tiresome.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

And what about your Ranting where is that getting us.

Shame some fans don't want anything to change, they are happy with playing in Northampton happy with Tims shed.....Strange very Strange.

Frankly Michael your ranting is up there will Spion Kop and the lunatic fringe. It is riddled with council bias and offers no constructive strategy to get the club back. Its becoming tiresome.

 

[Kingokings204]

And what about your Ranting where is that getting us.

Shame some fans don't want anything to change, they are happy with playing in Northampton happy with Tims shed.....Strange very Strange.

Grendel just seems to slag most fans off and never offers his ideas on how to get Cov back. I've never heard one possibility. All I've heard is Andy thorn smashed off his face in training, the hospital he was born at and how he attends Northampton.

Offer us a view to get us back to the Ricoh Grendel?

 

[stupot07]

And what about your Ranting where is that getting us.

Shame some fans don't want anything to change, they are happy with playing in Northampton happy with Tims shed.....Strange very Strange.

Apart from "RFC" who are those fans?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors

 

[skybluetony176]

Frankly Michael your ranting is up there will Spion Kop and the lunatic fringe. It is riddled with council bias and offers no constructive strategy to get the club back. Its becoming tiresome.

I'm all ears grendull. Tell me your master plan.

 

[ccfcway]

SISU say this wont change anything, yet still havent moved fwd with the stadium

12 months in Northampton (1/3 way towards the self imposed 3 year deadline) and nothing except a drawing !