Getting us back to the Ricoh remains simple (10 Viewers)
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skybluetony176
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It's not a fantasy. I do have cousins in Northern Ireland. ;-)
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He means he fantasises about your cousins in Northern Ireland.
skybluetony176
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Oh. I don't think they swing that way but I can always ask ;-)
So do I, and a few in the South as well.
All well versed in the art of persuasion.
skybluetony176
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I think it's part of the school curriculum.
Rob S
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Well, this speaks to my point about negotiations to get the ball rolling rather than preset deals and also answers questions as to why Sisu won't just make an offer for what they might want (freehold, leasehold etc.) You need to talk about what exactly the extent of a deal might be (the dreaded talks about talks?).
BTW, it doesn't really matter about what is acceptable to Sisu, I was just showing the possible variety of deals between rent-only & freehold. WRT the potential death of ACL, it could be a respectable one via negotiation or a nasty one via starvation but I doubt it will remain if CCFC return no matter who owns but I could be wrong. Check back here in 12-24 months ;-)
shmmeee
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Nothing I really disagree with, except for this insistence that ACL is a sticking point. I'll have to take your word for that, though I still don't understand why on a fundamental level.
I'm always more bothered about the fans to be honest, and the long term future of the club, and for me that means getting us back to Cov ASAP. I don't care if one side or the other's strategy takes a hit in the mean time, taking us out of Cov was below the belt and should never have been seen as a viable option.
As I said before, and I feel even more strongly if what you say about ACL is true, we have to prepare for the distinct possibility that no deal can be done that's acceptable for both sides. In that situation the impact of the "split" on fans should be minimised. It's just good business sense long term apart from anything else.
If you're telling me to back a plan to keep the club out of Coventry to starve ACL of money to prove some kind of point about the importance of the club so that we get a better deal and stay at the Ricoh. To be honest, that doesn't sit well with me ethically and such a plan wouldn't get my backing regardless of the benefits to the club. I'd rather we built our own stadium and if ACL will fail it will fail and that's the council's problem. Besides, such a plan will take at least a few years (assuming no major damages awarded at the JR) and I dread to think where the fanbase will be by that point.
Rob S
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The whole thing with ACL is based around a few things and we only have to look at the Higgs v Sisu case & this week's to see where things got stuck. The interminable wrangling over the value – with or without CCFC etc. – the Higgs's share & its value, the Compass contract, short lease etc.
If a rent deal is struck (unlikely) then it survives but otherwise it doesn't really need to exist. It doesn't mean it won't survive but I just see it as not being likely.
BTW, I'm not approving of trying to starve ACL but just pointing out that that seems to be what is going on as a tactic.
Ultimately it's all a bit of guesswork which is why we at GCBTTR have been more bothered about pushing for the negotiations rather than being more specific WRT what they should be about. I know the t-word can be a bit of a trigger but I'd trust the Council not to agree to a shitty deal and Sisu to do one that would make the club more attractive to another investor (or even their own) which has to include a more successful club and arena surely (Promise I haven't touched a drop so far today!)
MichaelCCFC
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Not quite sure why (although Adnams might be involved) but after a good night out at the City Arms (although somehow failed to meet Roboccfc1990) the idea that returning to ricoh on short term rental - which would be good for team and fans and negotiations could then take place - is described on here as "trotting out the same Council-favoured deal" seems really funny although I suspect in the morning will be seem v depressing that someone can say that
stupot07
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Could mean the £24m to buy it back offer.
Sportsmail has seen papers lodged as part of the Judicial Review which state that Daniel Gidney, former chief executive of ACL, asked for £24m for those revenue streams to be returned to the club.
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Brighton Sky Blue
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The best solution to that might be to separate the football business from the rest of what goes on at the Ricoh and thereby ensure that the club receives the full benefit. Only once ACL's loan is paid off would it make sense to unite the two. After all you can only take profits out of it and right now those profits are servicing CCC's loan.
RoboCCFC90
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What's most annoying about that is that I spent half the night at the bar!
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lewys33
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To be fair I had to ring Michael before I found him. Didn't manage to see you though!
MichaelCCFC
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I'm really sorry Robo. We were just to the right of the bar by the tv. I remembered to wear a kcic t-shirt to try to look conspicuous and I always assume everyone knows what Steve Brown looks like but I guess that's probably not very sensible. Hopefully it'll be third time lucky - maybe pre match drink at Nuneaton friendly?
stupot07
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Perhaps he'd misheard you and was looking for a James Brown look a like.
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RoboCCFC90
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lewys33
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I didnt get there till 9 mate. Tried to get you on twitter but no signal!
RoboCCFC90
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Absolutely! I will be at the Nuneaton game 1,000,000%
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RoboCCFC90
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I knew the signal was poor!
Are you doing anything for the England game tonight?
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lewys33
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RoboCCFC90
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No mate - 2 nights out in a row?! Can tell you aint got a mrs
I am not saying anything on that subject as what I could say shock many
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lewys33
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I am not saying anything on that subject as what I could say shock many
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chiefdave
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That proposal from Gidney is ridiculous. Why would anyone pay £24m for access to revenue streams when the Higgs share, which comes with all matchday revenues, could be purchased for under £10m?
Was that an off the cuff comment from Gidney or a formal proposal as he seems to be way off there.
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Could mean the £24m to buy it back offer.
Sportsmail has seen papers lodged as part of the Judicial Review which state that Daniel Gidney, former chief executive of ACL, asked for £24m for those revenue streams to be returned to the club.
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I've heard that claim before, but it was in the context of an off the cuff remark when asked .. not a formal offer.
Lord_Nampil
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I still can't see why a rolling year contract, the same as what we have a Northampton , isn't proposed by both sides! It would allow us all to decide what the next move should be! This is what needs to be pushed for and wat efforts should be focused on! But would require both sides coming to the table, I'm sure after June 30th this could be easier than it is today, but it's the only way, at the moment, things will move forward in the short term.....
stupot07
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Bit unprofessional to say the least then.
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skybluetony176
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Bit unprofessional to say the least then.
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Sounds like he had an ML moment.
MichaelCCFC
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cool. other option of course would be to designate one of the old HR days watering holes as sbt pub for Trust march on 12 July
MichaelCCFC
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In the cold (alcohol free) light of day, the fact this suggestion is rejected on here as "trotting out the same Council-favoured deal" really is v depressing indeed
Rob S
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Oh Michael. And there was me thinking that you’d grown tired of all the spin and moved on from trying to misrepresent other people’s views.
I am loath to write more as you do seem to have this habit of cherry-picking a few choice words of mine, removing the context and then spinning off and then when I go into some depth to reply and try and engage in a discussion – so we could maybe find some common ground and work together…fans unity and all that – you disappear off and we don’t really move forward.
However, here I am still, asking you to read what I write here and try an engage in a discussion or at least give a reason why not. (Unless your only motive for pulling out a distorted view is a ham-fisted attempt to pull a ‘here’s an extremist view’ &/or ‘it’s depressing that fans could think this’ trick in tomorrow’s Sunday sermon email.)
You’ve picked 7 words out of over 700 I wrote yesterday as part of a reasonable discussion between schmeee, myself and a few other posters.
For starters, I didn’t ‘reject’ it and I have offered many other options for negotiation. At least try and attempt to have a fair discussion and use the words I write in context:
“Sticking to only having a rental deal offer just seems to be trotting out the same Council-favoured deal that Sisu aren't going even consider.”
You’ve also completely ignored the other 700+ words I wrote including the sentence that followed the one you lifted from, where I actually say I agree with you!
“I completely agree that accepting a rent deal would be the quickest way to get us back to the Ricoh but it does not, based on all of the recent history and available evidence as to motives, seem remotely likely to happen.”
Apart from the already discussed issue of Sisu not wanting to support ACL in any way, the simple reason that a ‘rent-and-negotiate’ deal won’t fly is because by accepting that deal – no matter how ‘good’ it is to us – they will immediately put themselves in a weaker negotiating position. No organization, be they charity, co-operative, council or commercial would willingly do that would they?
It’s like your earlier idea for Joy to just give the club to ‘the fans’ or the idea from others expecting the council to just give the stadium to Sisu. (I’ve heard this suggested and I totally disagree with the idea!)
They would all get us a speedy return and they might all be ‘good’ for the ‘fans and the team’ but they are all completely impractical no matter how hard people might want to wish for them to happen.
This is why GCBTTR call for negotiations with all options on the table. I won’t re-iterate what I’ve already stated on previous pages about this but I really wish you’d read back through those and then offer some discussion on everything I’ve written – and the comments relating to that from other posters – rather than just misrepresenting what I say. You are better than that and you have the letters after your name to show that you are smarter than that too
Let’s play nice, eh?
Nick
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Oh Michael. And there was me thinking that you’d grown tired of all the spin and moved on from trying to misrepresent other people’s views.
I am loath to write more as you do seem to have this habit of cherry-picking a few choice words of mine, removing the context and then spinning off and then when I go into some depth to reply and try and engage in a discussion – so we could maybe find some common ground and work together…fans unity and all that – you disappear off and we don’t really move forward.
However, here I am still, asking you to read what I write here and try an engage in a discussion or at least give a reason why not. (Unless your only motive for pulling out a distorted view is a ham-fisted attempt to pull a ‘here’s an extremist view’ &/or ‘it’s depressing that fans could think this’ trick in tomorrow’s Sunday sermon email.)
You’ve picked 7 words out of over 700 I wrote yesterday as part of a reasonable discussion between schmeee, myself and a few other posters.
For starters, I didn’t ‘reject’ it and I have offered many other options for negotiation. At least try and attempt to have a fair discussion and use the words I write in context:
“Sticking to only having a rental deal offer just seems to be trotting out the same Council-favoured deal that Sisu aren't going even consider.”
You’ve also completely ignored the other 700+ words I wrote including the sentence that followed the one you lifted from, where I actually say I agree with you!
“I completely agree that accepting a rent deal would be the quickest way to get us back to the Ricoh but it does not, based on all of the recent history and available evidence as to motives, seem remotely likely to happen.”
Apart from the already discussed issue of Sisu not wanting to support ACL in any way, the simple reason that a ‘rent-and-negotiate’ deal won’t fly is because by accepting that deal – no matter how ‘good’ it is to us – they will immediately put themselves in a weaker negotiating position. No organization, be they charity, co-operative, council or commercial would willingly do that would they?
It’s like your earlier idea for Joy to just give the club to ‘the fans’ or the idea from others expecting the council to just give the stadium to Sisu. (I’ve heard this suggested and I totally disagree with the idea!)
They would all get us a speedy return and they might all be ‘good’ for the ‘fans and the team’ but they are all completely impractical no matter how hard people might want to wish for them to happen.
This is why GCBTTR call for negotiations with all options on the table. I won’t re-iterate what I’ve already stated on previous pages about this but I really wish you’d read back through those and then offer some discussion on everything I’ve written – and the comments relating to that from other posters – rather than just misrepresenting what I say. You are better than that and you have the letters after your name to show that you are smarter than that too
Let’s play nice, eh?
So you think sisu are good for the club and can be trusted?