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Jack Griffin
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Its got nothing to do with you.. I'm sure no one involved would be stupid enough to let you advise them.
Sky Blues will discuss KCIC Ricoh Rent offer (31 Viewers)
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Its got nothing to do with you.. I'm sure no one involved would be stupid enough to let you advise them.
chiefdave
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I think any potential acceptance of the deal will depend on if SISU are running out of options. What it does is allow a method of return without SISU having to climbdown and go back cap in hand to ACL and it also means they don't have to deal directly with ACL. Both things that could be attractive to SISU. They could return saying its thanks to KCIC and they're doing it for the fans etc which is a much more positive version of events than we made a mess of everything and had to go crawling back to ACL hoping they'd have us back.
The fact that this is even being considered by SISU rather than dismissed out of hand has to be seen as a positive sign. In fact it shows how bad things have been when this is the most positive piece of news we've had in the last couple of years.
skybluetony176
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The more I think about this the more I think sisu will have to take this offer seriously.
If ML is only going to pay lip service with a two minute phone call surely thats confirmation to the remainder of the fan base who are doing their best to stay 100% faithful by paying to go into suxfields (which I'm willing to bet hurts every time) against the face off adversity that sisu are willing to take this club down unless they get it all their own way.
it would be the biggest insult yet (and there has been more than a few) to this entire fan base but especially those who are paying to go into suxfields in the hope that this will all come good in the end.
I say to ML, TF & JS you are now walking a tight rope. I hope you're smart enough to realise that and come to the table with an open mind and a willingness to negotiate.
If ML is only going to pay lip service with a two minute phone call surely thats confirmation to the remainder of the fan base who are doing their best to stay 100% faithful by paying to go into suxfields (which I'm willing to bet hurts every time) against the face off adversity that sisu are willing to take this club down unless they get it all their own way.
it would be the biggest insult yet (and there has been more than a few) to this entire fan base but especially those who are paying to go into suxfields in the hope that this will all come good in the end.
I say to ML, TF & JS you are now walking a tight rope. I hope you're smart enough to realise that and come to the table with an open mind and a willingness to negotiate.
dancers lance
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So, in reality, the details of the offer are irrelevant? would this mean that the Ricoh would be sublet to Sisu?
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Depends if it's a serious offer or not.
Kingokings204
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I don't think they have offered it as a joke. We all want Coventry playing in Coventry. That's serious.
percy
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I disagree.
RoboCCFC90
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A positive first step.. A couple of things I would bare in mind:
- Is Mark Labovich the right decision maker for the Club in this instance?
- Discussions need to take place in an appropriate manner, not via E-Mail or over the phone.
- There needs to be clarity with regards to the whole offer, the discussions, etc.
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- Is Mark Labovich the right decision maker for the Club in this instance?
- Discussions need to take place in an appropriate manner, not via E-Mail or over the phone.
- There needs to be clarity with regards to the whole offer, the discussions, etc.
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Kingokings204
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Go on?
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Jack Griffin
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He is a non-executive direc tor, so he doesn't really formulate the strategy, he is more like an overseer.. so far he has overseen a rash of poor decisions..
RoboCCFC90
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RegTheDonk
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I think there's some very valid points there Chief. ML can now argue that they are trying to do the right thing for the fans, without having to burst the bank. If he plays it right, ML could get some positive spin for SISU - and perhaps get some leaverage on arguing for a piece of the other match day income (saying it will help with FFP etc). Depends on how level headed he is, or how stubborn Joy and Tim want to be.
I do think that he will try and push for too much, seeings how the freehold etc will never be on the table, and they'll want more than ACL are prepared (or able) to offer. That may give him the excuse that it's not viable and we are pushing ahead with Fantasy Stadium.
At this stage I still believe ML and SISU won't do this deal because it doesn't pressure ACL or CCC. But they can't dismiss it out of hand. It will alienate even more people, perhaps even the FL. So they have to play along for now.
@Michael.
Should this prove to be a turning point, this is perhaps going to be the most testing time for you, not just as leading KCIC, but with carrying the aspirations of 25K+ City fans. I hope the businessmen who are backing this are able to give you all the support you're going to need .... and I'd suggest you might also think of consulting with some of the more clued up fans (OSB for example), who have the club at heart and have some grasp of the finances and legals.
You're now seen as a front man for a group, looking to strike a deal with a multi million pound pack of Tigers. F'kin daunting task, to be fair, so take advice and TAKE YOUR TIME.
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Bad figures, refusal to say details, c&p'ing one statement... distracts from what we should be talking about, which is a march celebrating fan unity, run through the media with no details, thus giving rise to the terror that the horrors of the past are behind it. (or maybe three Coventry oligarchs?)
It smacks of manipulation... and if I were Labovitch I too would be calling their bluff by saying OK, we'll talk... and then smirking at the fact it distracts attention from any meaningful effort to resolve things, and gives a ready excuse to back out. All Labovitch saying he'll talk shows is that he's more aware of playing the game than some of his compatriots...
I will accept naivety, but on the information so far I'd suggest Michael is being played and in actual fact this will do more harm than good, and give SISU a reason to dig their heels in more.
MichaelCCFC
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Agree Robo. Fair to say that a few of those involved are very aware of the Jan-ML phone call episode and that kind of scenario has got to be avoided at all costs or it will just set us even further back. Face to face is invariably the best way to deal with things. Someone pointed out that with Friday forum cancelled that slot could be used
Edit: forgot to say my phone is in danger of blowing up - don't think I've ever had so many txts/voicemails/calls and emails in one afternoon ever. So I'm starting to issue a blanket apology to anyone who has tried contacting me but it'll be a while before I catch up
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Bennets Afro
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I think the club will be asking who the backers are so make sure you take that info with you.
Potential deal breaker or excuse maybe
Potential deal breaker or excuse maybe
letsallsingtogether
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We want to know all the facts before they sit down and talk????
Has Michael spoke to ACL about the rent?
Has Michael told us who his backers are?
Is Michael as bad as Sisu for not answering questions?
This deal is no better then the last one?
Why 5000?
Michael only does it for publicity!!!
Well Michael fair play to you for not giving in to the usual sceptics who hound anyone who is trying to do something to save our club, while sitting there doing nothing except watching our club Die........
Keep up the good work Michael..........
Nick you really need to stop jumping on Grendels bandwagon.
Has Michael spoke to ACL about the rent?
Has Michael told us who his backers are?
Is Michael as bad as Sisu for not answering questions?
This deal is no better then the last one?
Why 5000?
Michael only does it for publicity!!!
Well Michael fair play to you for not giving in to the usual sceptics who hound anyone who is trying to do something to save our club, while sitting there doing nothing except watching our club Die........
Keep up the good work Michael..........
Nick you really need to stop jumping on Grendels bandwagon.
Fair play and like I said in the other thread, happy to sent over a crate of beer and apology for doubting if this comes off!
Nick
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Hounded where? What bandwagon?
Grendel
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It's the bandwagon of common sense and negotiating ability - something I know a lot about.
Grendel
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Bollocks. It has everything to do with me as I support the club, a club you couldn't give a fuck about.
RegTheDonk
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Have you thought about offering your help to Michael when he goes into battle?
Bennets Afro
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I'm just waiting for it to come out that Gary Hoffman is the man behind the deal. Sounds like his last one redressed
Nick
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I just hope if it is they don't fuck Michael over in any way!
Grendel
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ML is not the decision maker anyway so setting up a grandiose meeting is digging a hole to fall in. Northern Wisdom sums this bullshit up to a tee.
dancers lance
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I can't help thinking people have 'over thought' the outcome of ML saying he would 'talk to' the people involved. Would it not be just bad PR if he ignored it? I would be first in the line to buy 5 season tickets ( for me, the wife & nippers) if this works out. But I think I have more chance painting wind. Why would SISU sublet the Ricoh?
MichaelCCFC
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Cheers, LAST. With the combination of England and this will we meet/won't meet mini saga my early morning optimism has disappeared. Have repeatedly said we'd be delighted to meet to discuss and offered dates etc but just being knocked back with 'telephone call only'. It's actually a really sad indictment of the situation. I can't think of another situation in my entire life when I wouldn't be more than happy to discuss things over the phone but there are several people involved in this and previous 'confusion' 'misunderstanding' 'quoted out of context' etc has left people feeling once bitten twice shy so to speak. I'm calling it a day. If sisu want to meet to discuss they know how to contact me. If they want to respond to the offer by email that would be fine too. But the stakes are just too high for this to descend into who said what etc etc etc in a phone call
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duffer
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It could well be that Michael is being 'played' - but ultimately if he plays it straight himself, and is honest all the way down the line, who comes off worse if that's how it turns out?
In truth I'm not sure I've got much faith that this will work either, but then we're all desperate to see talks of any kind starting, and this at least offers the prospect of that.
Another thing about this route, is that it might mean that ACL and SISU don't actually have to talk directly to each other to get things moving. That might appeal to both sides too.
Whatever happens, fair play to Michael for having a bash at it. Here's hoping it starts things rolling.
Edit: Ah, just seen Michael's latest post. That's not exactly encouraging. Didn't take long for that to go wrong....
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letsallsingtogether
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percy
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dont call it a day mate. your doing a great job and i agree with what your saying but please just persevere a little longer. the door is still ajar dont close it just yet.
dancers lance
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Sadly I refer you to my earlier post.
letsallsingtogether
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How many posters have you said that to now.
So everyone who disagrees with you is less of a fan then you.
You really need to get off that high horse of yours.
So everyone who disagrees with you is less of a fan then you.
You really need to get off that high horse of yours.
Paxman II
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This gets more farcical by the minute. You are dealing way out of your comfort zone. A phone call? Well that says it all.
I'm sorry to piss on your parade but I've said all I can say on this previously.
let the grown ups get on with it and the chips fall where they may...
I'm sorry to piss on your parade but I've said all I can say on this previously.
let the grown ups get on with it and the chips fall where they may...
Samo
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You're going to risk the whole thing because you don't fancy the phone? Record it, find a way! I'm sure everyone involved feels 'once bitten'
letsallsingtogether
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Hounded on the 1000 post thread to answer questions accusing him of being a publicity seeker and even saying he is as bad a Sisu.
And from who the usual we support the club better then you crew.
And before you ask no I will not trawl thou those threads for quotes just go back and read them for yourself..
Should all be ashamed of yourselves , even if Michael is fucked over he did it in good faith.
Shame because you lot will be pleased just so that you can goad and take the piss...
And from who the usual we support the club better then you crew.
And before you ask no I will not trawl thou those threads for quotes just go back and read them for yourself..
Should all be ashamed of yourselves , even if Michael is fucked over he did it in good faith.
Shame because you lot will be pleased just so that you can goad and take the piss...