kcic statement (28 Viewers)

[ccfcway]

Guys, I follow the Cov story with interest but this has got me laughing my head off.

Have I got this right?.. The supporters group want to make an agreement about paying the rent. The Club says they'll consider the idea. But it's going nowhere because they can't agree whether to speak by phone or email?

Doesn't bode well for more detailed agreements...

oh well, at least we can put aside this mess for a few weeks and enjoy England in the World |Cup

 

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[duffer]

Hence I asked if ml has said they won't meet and it's calls only or just a courtesy call first?

Isn't it fairly clear that no time or venue has been offered by ML. I presume he could easily do so via email.

Did he need to sort out those other meetings via a phone call, Nick?

 

[ccfcway]

I've not been alone with you inside the Coventry area
And in my dreams I've emailed you the offer a thousand times
I sometimes see you pass outside Joy's door
Hello Mark, Is it me you're looking for ?
I can't see it in your eyes, I can't see it in your smirking
The Ricoh's all you've ever wanted, and your bank books open wide
tell me how to make a start, cause you havent got a clue
but let me start by saying, pick up the phone SISU

 

[RegTheDonk]

You can still answer simple questions without breaking confidential agreements isnt there? Don't tell me he can't say whether ML has actually tried to call him or not because it is confidential? I don't expect him to even name the backers (even though they are pretty obvious) or anything confidential but when simple questions can't be answered it rings alarm bells, the same as "where is the stadium" but the difference is at least you get half a riddle of an answer from SISU rather than straight up ignored.

Michael is just doing as much spinning in this instance but to be fair he is going to try and out-spin somebody who makes a living out of it and I fear it may end up messy

If you know somebody is amazing at boxing, the best way of attack isn't to walk up to them and offer them a boxing match is it?

I honestly don't know if it is confidential Nick. Maybe he HAS spoken to ML, and ML has asked him not to reveal that fact?

Who knows?

Who cares?

At this point, I'm prepared to let Michael and ML get on with it. I'm curious as to what's going on, like we all are, but until there is something tangible and important to debate, I can't see the point in getting worked up over minor details.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Has the council agreed to this? Are the Ricoh Arena aware of this plan also

Stop it.

 

[Nick]

Isn't it fairly clear that no time or venue has been offered by ML. I presume he could easily do so via email.

Did he need to sort out those other meetings via a phone call, Nick?

Yes, it was a case of a couple of emails and then a call just to try and clear it up to go through a few things and then an email just to confirm really.

Has ML actually said he won't meet? Michael said earlier that ML had said it was phone calls only, that is why I was asking about wording as to whether ML had said "Can we have a quick chat first?" or "Before we meet can I give you a call to go through a couple of things?" like my experience, if he actually said "I am never going to meet you we can only do this on the phone" then it is a different ball game all together.

Michael doesn't seem very keen to clear it up though does he? If ML has said "we wont ever meet you we can only do this on the phone" then I agree its shocking!

On the other hand, if ML has said "can we have a quick chat first for some more details?" (lets face it, the offer had NO detail on) and Michael has come straight on here and said "SISU WONT MEET ME" then it is shocking the other way.

 

[sky blue john]

I see your point in "pick up the phone", though this could be interpreted as any means of communication. And while yes, many people would use the phone as an initial ice breaker, or to see if something is worth persuing in earnest, Michaels probably been advised that any contact should be documented. Hence sending a text rather than speaking.

If this is the case, really can't blame him going on past histories between all the major players. If a couple of people from here were to chat over the phone, who's to say what was REALLY discussed. And which person would you believe?

Yes, it was a case of a couple of emails and then a call just to try and clear it up to go through a few things and then an email just to confirm really.

Has ML actually said he won't meet? Michael said earlier that ML had said it was phone calls only, that is why I was asking about wording as to whether ML had said "Can we have a quick chat first?" or "Before we meet can I give you a call to go through a couple of things?" like my experience, if he actually said "I am never going to meet you we can only do this on the phone" then it is a different ball game all together.

Michael doesn't seem very keen to clear it up though does he?

Well that's good ML has access to email and knows how to use it !!
So what's the fuss ????

 

[Covkid1968#]

Personally I like a hard copy in the post as confirmaiton of a phone call and email.....Happy to hand deliver if I can be part of your solution

Okay, here it is: my offer of assistance! Unlike Grendel, I'm not great on the phone, but I think I can write a rather decent email! So, my suggestion is that ML gets in touch with Grendel to arrange details of a meeting; Grendel then PMs me with the details; I then email these details to Michael; he can then discuss this with his backers and accept the time and date, or suggest a different date and/or time; Michael can then email me back with the response; I will PM Grendel with the response; Grendel can call ML and advise him of the response; if the date/time was confirmed okay by Michael then the meeting can go ahead, but if a different date and/or time has been suggested then ML will have to respond to this; ML will call Grendel and give him the response; Grendel can PM me with the response; I will email Michael with the response; if the response is an acceptance of the date/time suggested by Michael then nothing else needs to be done, but if it's to suggest an alternative date and/or time then Michael can discuss this with his backers; Michael can then email me his response; I will PM Grendel with the response; Grendel can call ML with the response; and so on and so forth until we get a meeting sorted!!!

I think this is the only sensible solution to this problem!!!

 

[Nick]

Well that's good ML has access to email and knows how to use it !!
So what's the fuss ????

Hasn't Michael said he has been texting ML? That is in writing too?

Maybe some day people will start to be cynical and pick up on things to try and judge for themselves

 

[shmmeee]

Both sides are fucking idiots.

 

[duffer]

Hasn't Michael said he has been texting ML? That is in writing too?

Maybe some day people will start to be cynical and pick up on things to try and judge for themselves

That's not a bad approach Nick.

So being cynical, I can see why ML/SISU might want to avoid a meeting to talk about a rent deal whilst at the same time pretending that they're willing to discuss things.

Being cynical, why would Michael pretend to be avoiding a meeting?

 

[_brian_]

Personally I like a hard copy in the post as confirmaiton of a phone call and email.....Happy to hand deliver if I can be part of your solution

Could you clarify what you mean by 'hand deliver', please?!?! I've fallen foul of that once* before** - once bitten, twice shy and all that! LOL!!!

(*Well, when I say once, I mean on 17 separate occasions.)

(**I don't want to get into too much detail, but it was a euphemism used by Father Smith*** in my youth.)

(***I've changed the name of Father Doyle due to a legal requirement to protect his family's identity.)

 

[Nick]

That's not a bad approach Nick.

So being cynical, I can see why ML/SISU might want to avoid a meeting to talk about a rent deal whilst at the same time pretending that they're willing to discuss things.

Being cynical, why would Michael pretend to be avoiding a meeting?

I don't know, to make SISU look bad and himself a hero? Maybe he has just been strung along by these investors (I think more likely)

If somebody was saying something like "can I call before we meet to discuss a couple of things" then I would just speak to them, if they said "no we won't meet you, this HAS to be done by phone" like michael suggested, I would post up the email / text and answer questions.

Being cynical if the most simple of questions can't / won't be answered like "Has ML tried to call you?" then it stinks, just like the stadium.

 

[wingy]

Walk away from the screen guys

 

[fernandopartridge]

Why don't ML send his best carrier pigeon!!!!!

 

[Grendel]

Just out of interest, Nick. When ML made contact with regard to meeting people from this forum - did he insist on a phone call to sort it all out?

I phoned him to arrange a date. It was remarkably easy to do.

 

[shmmeee]

Why don't ML send his best carrier pigeon!!!!!

I can't even bring myself to do a proper "Grendel's already offered" joke.

 

[Grendel]

I can't even bring myself to do a proper "Grendel's already offered" joke.

On form with the jokes I have to say.

Still don't know why Michael is running around doing the "mystery businessman's" work for him.

 

[covcity4life]

Both sides are fucking idiots.

its true and i think this thread actually shows who deep down are cov fans and those who just want the drama to continue.

 

[Nick]

On form with the jokes I have to say.

Still don't know why Michael is running around doing the "mystery businessman's" work for him.

I just hope that if he is being properly stitched up that he doesn't just take the flack for it (Michael that is) as if it is the case, somebody has clearly taken advantage as his passion and desire to get the club back and basically put him in the firing line.

 

[shmmeee]

I just hope that if he is being properly stitched up that he doesn't just take the flack for it (Michael that is) as if it is the case, somebody has clearly taken advantage as his passion and desire to get the club back and basically put him in the firing line.

Agreed. Michael's always seemed to, as he puts it, play with a straight bat, regardless of what you might think of his methods.

 

[Kingokings204]

Any updates Michael?

Phone, email or text.

 

[Grendel]

It's fairly bloody obvious sisu will not be communicating by E Mail as Kcic are admitting they will use this as evidence if needs be!

What a lot of shit this is.

 

[Kingokings204]

It's fairly bloody obvious sisu will not be communicating by E Mail as Kcic are admitting they will use this as evidence if needs be!

What a lot of shit this is.

Correct. I don't know what a the fuss is about? If they can't set up a meeting then forget the whole thing. Northampton and oblivion seems certain.

 

[torchomatic]

The frustrating thing is Michael can be a hero if he pulls this off, so I don't understand why he won't take a simple call to arrange a meeting.

 

[dongonzalos]

Yes, it was a case of a couple of emails and then a call just to try and clear it up to go through a few things and then an email just to confirm really.

Has ML actually said he won't meet? Michael said earlier that ML had said it was phone calls only, that is why I was asking about wording as to whether ML had said "Can we have a quick chat first?" or "Before we meet can I give you a call to go through a couple of things?" like my experience, if he actually said "I am never going to meet you we can only do this on the phone" then it is a different ball game all together.

Michael doesn't seem very keen to clear it up though does he? If ML has said "we wont ever meet you we can only do this on the phone" then I agree its shocking!

On the other hand, if ML has said "can we have a quick chat first for some more details?" (lets face it, the offer had NO detail on) and Michael has come straight on here and said "SISU WONT MEET ME" then it is shocking the other way.

Tim Fisher didn't
Neither did Joy

Email to confirm a time date and location and the meetings were on.

Michael email Tim and Joy directly if you haven't already. By involving ML you are just putting another hurdle in the way (IMO)

 

[duffer]

The frustrating thing is Michael can be a hero if he pulls this off, so I don't understand why he won't take a simple call to arrange a meeting.

Understand where you're coming from, but then in fairness I can't understand why ML won't make the offer via email. For reference again, contact has been established, assuming Michael's being honest.

kcic's sole interest (unlike it appears anyone else at all) is doing something concrete to get us back to the ricoh. kcic has played this dead straight. The offer was made formally and privately. Time was given for a response before going public. We were led to believe yesterday morning by a third party that sisu wanted talks. I have sent several txts to ML offering times and dates and been nothing other than completely polite. I did receive an email this morning and replied "Great! Mark, please just email me details for meeting and I will share with colleagues". I have not as yet received a response. I am not going to get into games of illegally recording a telephone call as has been suggested on here! If a simple email is too much trouble for sisu then I really can't see what more kcic can do. As I said, I'm completely and utterly depressed but credit where it's due and well played to ML for the way he has spun this - kcic as an informal fans' group just can't compete with sisu's pr expertise

I can only believe that there isn't any serious intent on ML's behalf to discuss this matter, but he'd like to blame it on the intransigence of others. Having said that, if Michael's deliberately avoiding talking to ML on the phone, then it's playing into his hands somewhat.

 

[Nick]

I can only believe that there isn't any serious intent on ML's behalf to discuss this matter, but he'd like to blame it on the intransigence of others. Having said that, if Michael's deliberately avoiding talking to ML on the phone, then it's playing into his hands somewhat.

I try to point this out by saying "be the bigger man" and "show it how it should be done" but just get shot down for it.

 

[Kingokings204]

Can anyone explain why sisu cant do a deal with acl themselves?

I don't get it. I know relationships have broken down but I would rather deal with the devil myself as it were than get screwed by a third party. There is the trust issue but sounds like sisu don't trust KCIC either so makes no difference. If sisu want to come back I think a lot more respect would be shown if they said sorry and made some gestures and went to ACL directly to show remorse and balls instead of hiding behind a third party.

 

[Nick]

Can anyone explain why sisu cant do a deal with acl themselves?

I don't get it. I know relationships have broken down but I would rather deal with the devil myself as it were than get screwed by a third party. There is the trust issue but sounds like sisu don't trust KCIC either so makes no difference. If sisu want to come back I think a lot more respect would be shown if they said sorry and made some gestures and went to ACL directly to show remorse and balls instead of hiding behind a third party.

Exactly, and if Michael can't or won't answer the phone to SISU then what happens if we are back there and he is the middle man?

 

[shmmeee]

Exactly, and if Michael can't or won't answer the phone to SISU then what happens if we are back there and he is the middle man?

TBF to Michael, from what he's saying it's "his backers" that don't want a phone call rather than him.

I can't think of another situation in my entire life when I wouldn't be more than happy to discuss things over the phone but there are several people involved in this and previous 'confusion' 'misunderstanding' 'quoted out of context' etc has left people feeling once bitten twice shy so to speak.

Edit: reading that through, I think he actually uses one too many negatives and does say that wouldn't be happy, but the meanings pretty clear. Maybe written communication isn't the best way forward

 

[Monners]

I think it's Michaels fault if we start the new season in Northampton - Answer the goddam phone man!

 

[fernandopartridge]

Can anyone explain why sisu cant do a deal with acl themselves?

I don't get it. I know relationships have broken down but I would rather deal with the devil myself as it were than get screwed by a third party. There is the trust issue but sounds like sisu don't trust KCIC either so makes no difference. If sisu want to come back I think a lot more respect would be shown if they said sorry and made some gestures and went to ACL directly to show remorse and balls instead of hiding behind a third party.

inadvertently liked your post.

said sorry whilst doing a wanker sign you mean?

show remorse - ha ha ha

 

[duffer]

I try to point this out by saying "be the bigger man" and "show it how it should be done" but just get shot down for it.

No, that's fair enough I guess. I take your point. I'm still of the opinion that SISU don't want to talk about the offer, and what Michael's done would be entirely reasonable in normal circumstances. However there's nothing normal about SISU and the way they do business.

Having thought this through, I think I'd just try to shut down all options for escape, and say something like, we'll talk to SISU anytime, anyplace, anywhere (including on the telephone, at least to start with). If SISU say they don't want to talk, then people can decide why for themselves.

 

[shmmeee]

No, that's fair enough I guess. I take your point. I'm still of the opinion that SISU don't want to talk about the offer, and what Michael's done would be entirely reasonable in normal circumstances. However there's nothing normal about SISU and the way they do business.

Having thought this through, I think I'd just try to shut down all options for escape, and say something like, we'll talk to SISU anytime, anyplace, anywhere (including on the telephone, at least to start with). If SISU say they don't want to talk, then people can decide why for themselves.

You can't give them anything to whine about. Nothing.

To be fair, that goes double for the fans