Disturbing (10 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

According to the law - the Council acted properly and did nothing wrong at all.

This is the same law that deemed last years admin process legal also meaning in the same way that Appleton did nothing wrong at all.

If we are going to approach it from that point of view then it should be done consistently.

It's a shame sisu can't accept that and are going to keep the misery that is further litigation going. Still, the fans come first.

 

---

[bigfatronssba]

According to the law - the Council acted properly and did nothing wrong at all.

This is the same law that deemed last years admin process legal also meaning in the same way that Appleton did nothing wrong at all.

If we are going to approach it from that point of view then it should be done consistently.

Very few, if anyone, has ever said Appleton did anything illegal. Some just questioned the competency of an administrator selling a business without first knowing what assets it had.

The contrast with this is many posters on here were adament that CCC had acted illegally.

 

[Otis]

The sensible amongst us however, made no pre-judgement and just waited for the outcome of the trial.

Always find it wise to not try and second guess and just wait for things to play out.

Pull up a chair and wait for the outcome is my motto.

 

[Ian1779]

So when SISU test the legal process and fail they are derided - and rightly so.

When ACL reject a CVA - costing the club 10pts, say they're going to challenge a 'legal process' but actually do absolutely nothing - they are justified in doing so?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[Kingokings204]

So when SISU test the legal process and fail they are derided - and rightly so.

When ACL reject a CVA - costing the club 10pts, say they're going to challenge a 'legal process' but actually do absolutely nothing - they are justified in doing so?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

I think they were asking for the FL to intervene which is a bit like asking Mike Tyson for a fight........ You will lose.

 

[skybluetony176]

So when SISU test the legal process and fail they are derided - and rightly so.

When ACL reject a CVA - costing the club 10pts, say they're going to challenge a 'legal process' but actually do absolutely nothing - they are justified in doing so?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Wasn't much of a test was it? Two points dropped on the first morning and the other three shot down in flames. Sounds like the perfect base to keep "testing" the legal process.

ACL, IMO gained nothing in the end by rejecting the CVA this is true.

 

[Astute]

According to the law - the Council acted properly and did nothing wrong at all.

This is the same law that deemed last years admin process legal also meaning in the same way that Appleton did nothing wrong at all.

If we are going to approach it from that point of view then it should be done consistently.

Seems like you are scraping the barrel here on trying to make the process sound better for SISU again.

Do you really think that the judge wouldn't lay questions towards Appleton on the way he couldn't find the golden share or didn't notice that some of our players were registered with the wrong part of SISU?

Try to remember that the judge mentioned this part as SISU trying to get the Ricoh cheaply as part of plan A and not having a plan B. But it wasn't part of the JR into looking at what Appleton did.

 

[Astute]

So when SISU test the legal process and fail they are derided - and rightly so.

When ACL reject a CVA - costing the club 10pts, say they're going to challenge a 'legal process' but actually do absolutely nothing - they are justified in doing so?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

You are right. It makes no sense. The 10 points were lost because of what SISU did. SISU blamed everyone else as usual. And it seems you have fallen for it.

 

[paulw]

It is odd to say the least that there is currently so much happiness on this forum with regards to the JR. It seems that some believe that a victory for CCC is also a victory for the fans. Is someone able to explain why this is the case? Why does a SISU defeat suddenly increase their chances of selling onto someone else?

We are no better off that before, yet there is open celebration. We are just another step towards the club not existing and some are happy?

Excellent comments. I think though sick boy we term it 'gloating' not celebrating. But, we do have a lt of very small minded people on here.

 

[sky blue john]

Excellent comments. I think though sick boy we term it 'gloating' not celebrating. But, we do have a lt of very small minded people on here.

I'm happy justice has prevailed. Whichever way the result went was not going to help CCFC so what's your problem ?
Are you not annoyed that the clubs owners have lied to us for at least the last couple of years ??

 

[bigfatronssba]

Excellent comments. I think though sick boy we term it 'gloating' not celebrating. But, we do have a lt of very small minded people on here.

Aren't you happy that the truth has been proven?

Seems strange that you wanted an innocent party to be found guilty.

 

[Ian1779]

Seems like you are scraping the barrel here on trying to make the process sound better for SISU again.

Do you really think that the judge wouldn't lay questions towards Appleton on the way he couldn't find the golden share or didn't notice that some of our players were registered with the wrong part of SISU?

Try to remember that the judge mentioned this part as SISU trying to get the Ricoh cheaply as part of plan A and not having a plan B. But it wasn't part of the JR into looking at what Appleton did.

Seems to me you are happy to deviate away from my point rather than answer it directly.

Asking questions is significantly different from something being illegal.

To this day no one has legally challenged to admin process - probably because there is nothing to challenge.

So I'll say again - the point of us losing 10pts was what exactly - from a legal point of view.

 

[lewys33]

Seems to me you are happy to deviate away from my point rather than answer it directly.

Asking questions is significantly different from something being illegal.

To this day no one has legally challenged to admin process - probably because there is nothing to challenge.

So I'll say again - the point of us losing 10pts was what exactly - from a legal point of view.

Is this the -10 that would have got us promoted? Didn't think so.

 

[Kingokings204]

Seems to me you are happy to deviate away from my point rather than answer it directly.

Asking questions is significantly different from something being illegal.

To this day no one has legally challenged to admin process - probably because there is nothing to challenge.

So I'll say again - the point of us losing 10pts was what exactly - from a legal point of view.

The admin process was flawed but not illegal and even if it was it would be costly and time consuming just like the JR and would get no where. ACL realise this.

The 10 points was stupid and not needed but they ACL made a last ditch best offer of 150k rent for 10 years. That's cheaper than Northampon and would of saved a lot of fans. Why reject it? Then the points loss could of been avoided.

The reason why it was rejected is because it's not about rent or revenues it's about getting the Ricoh cheap and it has failed badly.

 

[sky blue john]

Seems to me you are happy to deviate away from my point rather than answer it directly.

Asking questions is significantly different from something being illegal.

To this day no one has legally challenged to admin process - probably because there is nothing to challenge.

So I'll say again - the point of us losing 10pts was what exactly - from a legal point of view.

You seem to be getting desperate now !!
The 10 points means nothing in the big scheme.
If you want to get yourself worked up why don't you think about how Sisu have lied to us for the last couple of years !
Taken the club out of Cov with 50-70million of debt. These are current issues that we have to deal with now !!!

 

[sky blue john]

Any admin process where the company who placed a company in admin re-purchases said company is wrong and should be illegal !!!
Bates also did it at Leeds.

 

[Gosford Green]

I'm not celebrating. Many feel vindicated as for ages on here and FB groups we have all been told by the SISU side that its all the fault of ACL / CCC and when this JR is heard it will all come out how badly the clubs been treated and SISU will be given the Ricoh.

It didn't happen and really there could have note been a more damming judgement passed on SISU if Ann Lucas had written it herself.

However a hedge fund can not be humilated then battered in court by a socialist council in little old England. Fisher is incoherant is his interviews and I have a horrible feeling its the end game for the club. Thats not something to be smug about.

 

[Noggin]

According to the law - the Council acted properly and did nothing wrong at all.

This is the same law that deemed last years admin process legal also meaning in the same way that Appleton did nothing wrong at all.

If we are going to approach it from that point of view then it should be done consistently.

Sure, What the council have done is morally correct and legally correct.

Appletons administration process was morally bankrupt but presumably (not like its ever been looked at by a judge) legally correct.

We've really found out the hard way how scummy and open to abuse things like insolvency law really are.

 

[RPHunt]

Seems to be a lot of this going on trying to find some positives for SISU:

 

[Sky Blue Dal]

It is odd to say the least that there is currently so much happiness on this forum with regards to the JR. It seems that some believe that a victory for CCC is also a victory for the fans. Is someone able to explain why this is the case? Why does a SISU defeat suddenly increase their chances of selling onto someone else?

We are no better off that before, yet there is open celebration. We are just another step towards the club not existing and some are happy?

If some who are celebrating which I have not seen and you obviously have... just maybe they are celebrating because they the tax payers won???

What I find disturbing is if the result was the other way.. you SISU sympathisers will be celebrating too.

 

[Grendel]

If some who are celebrating which I have not seen and you obviously have... just maybe they are celebrating because they the tax payers won???

What I find disturbing is if the result was the other way.. you SISU sympathisers will be celebrating too.

You clearly haven't read much then.

One bloke even got some milk tray out.

 

[dadgad]

Sick Boy has always been a Sisu apologist - even now - after such a damning assessment by a judge - he is unable to recognise that our owners have sought underhand tactics in order to get a public asset at a knockdown price rather than concentrate on running a club, building bridges with local community, fanbase, etc.
We all wish our owners knew that that is what running a football club is about. Sisu don't, never have and, sadly, never will.
Time to face facts that most have always understood. Ccfc may as well start over because the vast majority do not want a club that fails to recognise where its principle duty lies and that is to its fans.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Trouble is some just can't see it and never will!!!!

Sick Boy has always been a Sisu apologist - even now - after such a damning assessment by a judge - he is unable to recognise that our owners have sought underhand tactics in order to get a public asset at a knockdown price rather than concentrate on running a club, building bridges with local community, fanbase, etc.
We all wish our owners knew that that is what running a football club is about. Sisu don't, never have and, sadly, never will.
Time to face facts that most have always understood. Ccfc may as well start over because the vast majority do not want a club that fails to recognise where its principle duty lies and that is to its fans.

 

[Sky Blue Dal]

You clearly haven't read much then.

One bloke even got some milk tray out.

Did they???

Well like I said it must have been a hard working CCC rate payer celebrating for the fact that some of his/her taxes has not been swallowed up by a dysfunctional hedge fund.

Fortunately majority of our CCFC fans do not suffer from Stockholm syndrome.

 

[lamtara2006]

The sensible amongst us however, made no pre-judgement and just waited for the outcome of the trial.

Always find it wise to not try and second guess and just wait for things to play out.

Pull up a chair and wait for the outcome is my motto.

But I'm sure even 'the sensible' had formed a view based on the facts of which they were aware, even if wise to hold off confirming that view until the outcome was declared. I'm pleased / relieved to have my view confirmed - though I don't claim to be sensible.

 

[lamtara2006]

Is this the -10 that would have got us promoted? Didn't think so.

Not quite sure why people still waste time on attributing blame around 10 points that no longer have any relevance. Who knows, given the way it seemed to motivate the team in the first part of last season, it may have been a blessing in disguise. But the question is now entirely moot imo.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Did they???

Well like I said it must have been a hard working CCC rate payer celebrating for the fact that some of his/her taxes has not been swallowed up by a dysfunctional hedge fund.

Fortunately majority of our CCFC fans do not suffer from Stockholm syndrome.

No. They've been spent on another struggling company instead.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Surely we should all be glad the innocent party won?

Can't really argue with that. Would have said that whichever way the verdict went. It's surely a good thing that something has been exonerated by an independent arbiter.

 

[lordsummerisle]

Did they???

Well like I said it must have been a hard working CCC rate payer celebrating for the fact that some of his/her taxes has not been swallowed up by a dysfunctional hedge fund.

Fortunately majority of our CCFC fans do not suffer from Stockholm syndrome.

Why is it that all rate/tax payers are hard-working?

Sure some are right lazy twats.

 

[Sky Blue Dal]

No. They've been spent on another struggling company instead.

Which belongs to the Coventry rate payers. Thought you knew that?

 

[Sky Blue Dal]

Why is it that all rate/tax payers are hard-working?

Sure some are right lazy twats.

Agree .. sure there are some... but still put there share into the coffers.

 

[Sky Blue Dal]

Why is it that all rate/tax payers are hard-working?

Sure some are right lazy twats.

Agree .. there probably are some lazy twats... but they still put there share into the coffers.

 

[Danceswithhorses]

No. They've been spent on another struggling company instead.

Genuine question...On what evidence are ACL a 'struggling company' ?

 

[skybluetony176]

Genuine question...On what evidence are ACL a 'struggling company' ?

Sisu's lawyer's said so in court so it must be right. Oh wait.........

TF said the judge got it wrong so the sisu lawyer's must have been right and TF is more qualified to make that call than the judge because. .............. er ............ er ............ er.

Wait a minute lads, I've got a great idea .............. er ............... er (self preservation society song from the film The Italian Job fades in) ..............er .................... er

 

[SkyblueBazza]

Anything that makes sisu less likely getting the Ricoh is a win

Not sure about that. If they put in a realistic bid & paid market value for the stadium & everything else, and ACL accepted it, the Club went home to the Ricoh & the owners infested properly & sensibly in the team from the revenues generated. Everyone would probably be happy wouldn't they?
The sad truth is that they simply seek to force the situation into one where they be gifted the stadium & everything else with it.

The millions lost/paid in legal & admin fees & lost revenues by playing at Sickfields would have funded the purchase of the Ricoh at a fair price anyway!


PUSB