Pressley Wants Hat Trick Of Strikers. (1 Viewer)

[stupot07]

Have to say... would we miss Fleck if he was sold?

All the promise in the world, but so far it's added up to half a decent season for us, and still a nagging doubt there he'll never fulfill his promise.

So get him out while his stock's relatively high?

I don't particular rate him either, like you say he's only shone for 25% of the match's he's played in, it's more the fact we don't need 1 central midfielder who attacks and scores 10-15 on his own.


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[Deleted member 5849]

I don't particular rate him either

I do rate him, he has the skill and the ability, but can't help but feel we cling to hope he fulfills his potential rather than any hard evidence.

 

[shmmeee]

From the little I saw, I thought Fleck played too deep to be effective last season.

And for all the hype about Moussa, we should remember that was by far his best ever season and the season before Baker got 15.

 

[Houdi]

His previous striker signings have done anything but inspire.

This is where he'll make or break his reputation, as it's the glaring flaw on his record so far, and he's got no strikers at the club to cover his back now.

Not only his striker signings either. From the few games I saw last seasons and what others have said, the best players for the club last season,Clarke/Wilson/Murphy/Moussa were all already at the club,when he arrived. Most of his permanent signings and loans have been patchy to say the least. With no recognised strikers at the club, and with the reality that those likely to arrive will be freebies, he will need to have some inspired or maybe lucky breaks to even hope to match the goals we have lost from last season. Yep I'm sure come the start of the season we will have 2/3/4 new forward bodies here, but will they be any better than even sides like Crawley, well lets hope so.

 

[CCFC_Charlie]

Fleck was probably our best player aside from the two strikers up until around the end of January. He's very talented but I'm not sure him and Thomas suit each other particularly well.

 

[The Gentleman]

I don't particular rate him either, like you say he's only shone for 25% of the match's he's played in, it's more the fact we don't need 1 central midfielder who attacks and scores 10-15 on his own.


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But that might be the difference between promotion or not.

 

[The Gentleman]

About as much spark as Moussa did in the second half of the season.

If bakers on going to play, fleck may well end up taking pens - so there potential 3-4 goals, his partner chips in with another 3-4, then 3rd choice/sub central midfielder chips in with 2-3 there's your 10 from central mid.

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Fleck has never taken pens in his footballing career (goals tally backs that up unless he has and missed a shit load which means he won't take them anyway) so why would he start now. I am sure the incoming strikers would try and take that mantle. So you are saying that a defensive midfielder (his partner) chips in 3-4 times the goals Fleck did last season. How many did Thomas get doing that role?

These new wingers that will score 20 goals between them, will they be helping out the exposed full backs or just bombing forward looking for their goals because that will just expose us like last season under you thinking.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

These new wingers that will score 20 goals between them, will they be helping out the exposed full backs or just bombing forward looking for their goals because that will just expose us like last season under you thinking.

Although I'd rather we played like we did the first half the season than the second!

 

[fernandopartridge]

From the little I saw, I thought Fleck played too deep to be effective last season.

And for all the hype about Moussa, we should remember that was by far his best ever season and the season before Baker got 15.

He plays so deep because he hasn't got the legs to get forward and properly support the attack.

 

[shmmeee]

He plays so deep because he hasn't got the legs to get forward and properly support the attack.

In which case, fuck him off because we can do better as cover for defense.

Personally I always liked Baker more centrally, but that might just be me.

 

[skybluegod]

Have to say... would we miss Fleck if he was sold?

All the promise in the world, but so far it's added up to half a decent season for us, and still a nagging doubt there he'll never fulfill his promise.

So get him out while his stock's relatively high?

Of course we would miss him, he was such a key player last season, he kept us ticking over, his passing is key to our play. He didn't have a great second half of the season, but nobody did. If we lost fleck we would be hard pressed to get a suitable replacement.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Of course we would miss him, he was such a key player last season, he kept us ticking over, his passing is key to our play. He didn't have a great second half of the season, but nobody did. If we lost fleck we would be hard pressed to get a suitable replacement.

His current form is shit.

Good form has been the exception with us, rather than the rule.

Therefore, is it fair to expect good form next season?

 

[The Gentleman]

Although I'd rather we played like we did the first half the season than the second!

With a good defense, and a decent holding midfielder, so would I. But would still take an attacking midfielder in the mould of Moussa.

But as I have said before and you too, this is where Pressley will be tested because to be honest last season's transfers were a shambles. This season with no embargo and 'some' money to spend there can be no excuses.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

With a good defense, and a decent holding midfielder, so would I. But would still take an attacking midfielder in the mould of Moussa.

But as I have said before and you too, this is where Pressley will be tested because to be honest last season's transfers were a shambles. This season with no embargo and 'some' money to spend there can be no excuses.

tbh, away from the obvious(!) I don't mind the try and score more, sometimes score less approach. Let's face it, we're not Cov fans for the success(!) but what *was* good about the start of last season, was even two up or two down you were never quite convinced that'd be the result.

And that makes it (the games!) fun.

But yes, I wouldn't say sod off Pressley whatever happens, but he does need to start spotting a decent player... and maybe not falling out with those he has, either.

 

[FRY-CCFC]

With a good defense, and a decent holding midfielder, so would I. But would still take an attacking midfielder in the mould of Moussa.

But as I have said before and you too, this is where Pressley will be tested because to be honest last season's transfers were a shambles. This season with no embargo and 'some' money to spend there can be no excuses.

You can see already that the gulf in quality between last year's signings and this years is huge. Because of the embargo, we had to settle for an out of shape frenchman and pressley's mate. Now we have signed players with championship experience which will benefit us hugely this season

 

[The Gentleman]

You can see already that the gulf in quality between last year's signings and this years is huge. Because of the embargo, we had to settle for an out of shape frenchman and pressley's mate. Now we have signed players with championship experience which will benefit us hugely this season

Lets see them play first. Don't forget that although we have signed players, we have lost the best keeper in the league, the two best forwards and the best attacking midfielder. Big shoes to fill.

Couple that with having the worst defense in the league (just about) and it just shows why Pressley is having to work very hard in the transfer market.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Lets see them play first. Don't forget that although we have signed players, we have lost the best keeper in the league, the two best forwards and the best attacking midfielder. Big shoes to fill.

Couple that with having the worst defense in the league (just about) and it just shows why Pressley is having to work very hard in the transfer market.

Jim Blyth never rated Murphy.

tbh I could never really understand why. Sure, he wasn't perfect... but then what do you expect for our level?

In this instance though, guess we have to cling to the hope Blyth was right!

 

[FRY-CCFC]

Lets see them play first. Don't forget that although we have signed players, we have lost the best keeper in the league, the two best forwards and the best attacking midfielder. Big shoes to fill.

Couple that with having the worst defense in the league (just about) and it just shows why Pressley is having to work very hard in the transfer market.

As much as I like to big our players up, none of who you listed are best in the league bar Wilson. Assombalonga, baldock and garner are all 10x as good as Clarke. Dean cox is better than moussa as is Ben pringle and Declan Rudd is better than Murphy.

 

[CCFC_Charlie]

I don't think we necessarily have bad defensive players, it's the system we played last season didn't work.

 

[The Gentleman]

I don't think we necessarily have bad defensive players, it's the system we played last season didn't work.

Webster??????

 

[The Gentleman]

As much as I like to big our players up, none of who you listed are best in the league bar Wilson. Assombalonga, baldock and garner are all 10x as good as Clarke. Dean cox is better than moussa as is Ben pringle and Declan Rudd is better than Murphy.

Wilson and Clarke were the best partnership and highest scoring so together that makes them the best for me and had they stayed fit and together the whole season then promotion may just have been achievable. Moussa for me has that something that Cox doesn't and the ability to turn a game or score a goal not just out of nothing but a worldy and every team in the league would take that. I thought Murphy's performances were what stopped us being relegated but didn't really see the others so I'll have to take your word on those.

 

[torchomatic]

I went all the way to Glasgow with my Dad around '78 (can't remember exactly) to see Blyth play for Scotland. The ball went through his legs for one goal - he wasn't the best keeper himself, though he was far from the worst. I remember a few penalty saves. In fact, he was brilliant and the best keeper we ever had...

Jim Blyth never rated Murphy.

tbh I could never really understand why. Sure, he wasn't perfect... but then what do you expect for our level?

In this instance though, guess we have to cling to the hope Blyth was right!

 

[CCFC_Charlie]

Webster??????

Webster is nowhere near as bad as people make out. He was probably the key part of the defence that did well around November time. He's just really slow.

 

[SlowerThanPlatt]

So any names linked?

 

[stupot07]

Fleck has never taken pens in his footballing career (goals tally backs that up unless he has and missed a shit load which means he won't take them anyway) so why would he start now. I am sure the incoming strikers would try and take that mantle. So you are saying that a defensive midfielder (his partner) chips in 3-4 times the goals Fleck did last season. How many did Thomas get doing that role?

These new wingers that will score 20 goals between them, will they be helping out the exposed full backs or just bombing forward looking for their goals because that will just expose us like last season under you thinking.

When you say never taken a penalty, did you mean this one?

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/19554242

With more defensively sound midfielders the whole midfield will play 10-15 yards further up the pitch. I'm sure with a bit of confidence and playing slightly further up Thomas could chip in with 3-4 goals, anyway we will hopefully bring in someone with a bit of experience.

I'm sure the wingers will be the main outlet with fullback staying deep, and yes I would expect them to create, score and do their defensive roles. Are you suggesting that is not possible?

The top 3 all concede less than a goal per game on average and scored over 72+. It's las no coincidence that the top 6 all kept cleansheets in 33%+ league games. And it's also no coincidence that sheff utd's big serge from feb that put them on contention for play offs (before narrowly missing out) came off the back of keeping 9 cleansheets in 10 games.

We must build from the back this season. We were far too gung-ho last season and even with better defenders playing like last season we're likely to continue to leak goals.

And as much as moussa can score a worldy, he's also liable to be anonymous for 90 mins, and looking at his career stats, in terms of goals last season was an exception rather than the rule of his goalscoring prowess.



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[skybluegod]

Wilson and Clarke were the best partnership and highest scoring so together that makes them the best for me and had they stayed fit and together the whole season then promotion may just have been achievable. Moussa for me has that something that Cox doesn't and the ability to turn a game or score a goal not just out of nothing but a worldy and every team in the league would take that. I thought Murphy's performances were what stopped us being relegated but didn't really see the others so I'll have to take your word on those.

Cox and others are better than moussa, moussa was dreadful most the time except for his goals. He scored some of the best goals I have seen but he didn't add much out. He was often greedy and never put in a shift tracking back or defending. I'm actually quite pleased he's gone as hopefully we have replaced him with a winger that will do both parts of the game. Of course goals are Important and for that reason he will be missed, but we need fighters in league one and he was not up for that. Good player but didn't put in a shift defensively and so can't be considered the best in league one surely? I agree about murphy, he bailed us out all season, and made some world class saves and not to mention the amount of penalty saves. Clarke isn't one of the best players in the league as shown by the fact he couldn't get into the best club in the leagues team. Agree on Wilson also.

 

[LJC_CCFC]

As much as I like to big our players up, none of who you listed are best in the league bar Wilson. Assombalonga, baldock and garner are all 10x as good as Clarke. Dean cox is better than moussa as is Ben pringle and Declan Rudd is better than Murphy.

Moussa easily more talented than Cox and Pringle and he has variation to his game. Murphy pound for pound best keeper in the league, Rudd is decent but if he was any good he'd be sitting on Norwich's bench competing with Ruddy.

 

[stupot07]

It will be interesting to see how moussa and murphy do at their respective clubs.


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[FRY-CCFC]

Moussa easily more talented than Cox and Pringle and he has variation to his game. Murphy pound for pound best keeper in the league, Rudd is decent but if he was any good he'd be sitting on Norwich's bench competing with Ruddy.

Moussa goes missing constantly in games and leaves our left back exposed. He gets less stick for this because he pops up with a wonder goal every now and again. Cox and pringle are a class above

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I don't particular rate him either, like you say he's only shone for 25% of the match's he's played in, it's more the fact we don't need 1 central midfielder who attacks and scores 10-15 on his own.


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Agreed in a 442 system you are rarely going to a central midfielder who bags 10 goals by himself. It's different when you play a five man midfield as you would be looking for one central midfielder to bag that many.

Personally I think we need two new central midfielders. Daniels and Barton are crap and we need two player who can compete with Fleck and Thomas for a place in the first team

 

[LJC_CCFC]

Agreed in a 442 system you are rarely going to a central midfielder who bags 10 goals by himself. It's different when you play a five man midfield as you would be looking for one central midfielder to bag that many.

Personally I think we need two new central midfielders. Daniels and Barton are crap and we need two player who can compete with Fleck and Thomas for a place in the first team

Thomas literally doesn't offer anything positive in the midfield, lacks bite in the tackle and confidence to ever become a good defensive midfielder



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[SkyBlue_Bear83]

If we can replace the Clarke and Wilson partnership sufficiently then I think we could have an outside chance of the playoffs if they remember how to defend.

That said I don't have great confidence that we can replace them

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Thomas literally doesn't offer anything positive in the midfield, lacks bite in the tackle and confidence to ever become a good defensive midfielder



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I didn't watch much last season but I fear you are right. Makes you wonder what Liverpool saw in him

 

[shmmeee]

I liked Thomas before always looked energetic and a decent passer, but seems to have gone off the boil. Maybe a Jordan Clarke bomb squad style kick up the arse is needed?

 

[stupot07]

To be fair he is still very young, and missed the first season after relegation through injury, he may come back stronger this season. Also too early to write off Billy D, he only turned 20 last week, it will be interesting to see how he develops next season too. Not sure he's a central midfielder, but did well drifting from the right when Baker was out injured.


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