Sisu will not drop JR appeal (22 Viewers)

[SimonGilbert]

Sisu will not drop legal action to allow Ricoh return talks, but insist that shouldn't matter.

Tim Fisher also says the club could leave Sixfields to return to the Ricoh this season.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/coventry-city-ready-talk-ricoh-7419227

 

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[Kingokings204]

The man lives in cloud cuckoo land but we already knew this. Correct me if I'm wrong but he wants to do a deal with a company he currently is taking to court and proceeding with further action on a stupid appeal.

“The legal action is a totally separate issue and we have a right to appeal. But this does not, and should not, prevent us from discussing a return with all of the interested parties.”

FFS what have us fans deserved to be run by a complete bunch of half wits.

 

[torchomatic]

No different really from ACL a year ago saying they loved the club, wanted them to stay but then rejecting the CVA. Still, as long as it's sorted out in the end I don't really care who takes who to court.

The man lives in cloud cuckoo land but we already knew this. Correct me if I'm wrong but he wants to do a deal with a company he currently is taking to court and proceeding with further action on a stupid appeal.

“The legal action is a totally separate issue and we have a right to appeal. But this does not, and should not, prevent us from discussing a return with all of the interested parties.”

FFS what have us fans deserved to be run by a complete bunch of half wits.

 

[Jack Griffin]

So SISU don't want to talk. Another season at Sixfields confirmed.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Pointless from Fisher, a return to the Ricoh seems further away than ever

 

[jimmyhillsfanclub]

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[Kingokings204]

No different really from ACL a year ago saying they loved the club, wanted them to stay but then rejecting the CVA. Still, as long as it's sorted out in the end I don't really care who takes who to court.

Thing is though Torch the CVA had no bearing on ccfc staying at the Ricoh so its irrelevant as to if they accepted the CVA or not in regards to ACL loving the club or not.

In your opinion is TF right here and legals can continue whilst talks happen about an interim retrun?

 

[kmj5000]

The man lives in cloud cuckoo land but we already knew this. Correct me if I'm wrong but he wants to do a deal with a company he currently is taking to court and proceeding with further action on a stupid appeal.

“The legal action is a totally separate issue and we have a right to appeal. But this does not, and should not, prevent us from discussing a return with all of the interested parties.”

FFS what have us fans deserved to be run by a complete bunch of half wits.

I quite agree.

Interestingly, have you noticed that the recent proclamations by the club (Joy seems to have rattled Tim's cage as Mark didn't prove to be doing any better?) are now saying ”OWNING our own stadium" rather than "BUILDING our own stadium".?

Significant perhaps......?

 

[SkyBlueSid]

This is clearly another ploy by Fisher to ensure the club does not return to the Ricoh unless they manage to buy it for a song. The man is an idiot.

Of course they need to drop this ridiculous legal battle, which they can never win but is simply a distraction. They do it because they can, so hopefully the court will stop that nonsense once and for all. He also wants the pie money, which appears not to be ACL's to sell. Fisher may as well say that the club will return to the Ricoh, but only when the grass on the pitch is blue.

 

[Kingokings204]

I actually see the positive in this statement for once. He has confirmed he will speak to ACL so if I was ACL I would hear the bloke or JS out and try and establish mutual ground. Obviously if sisu just drop the appeal then makes things a lot easier but maybe they see it as a bargaining tool as in we drop the appeal for a short term rental deal and everyone wins?

 

[RegTheDonk]

I think its all bollocks. What's the excuse for the appeal .... doing it for the Coventry ratepayer? Fisher is playing lip service to the fans. He probably DOES think we're all stupid.

 

[Kingokings204]

So SISU don't want to talk. Another season at Sixfields confirmed.

I agree with the second bit but don't agree with the first bit. TF has clearly said twice in 4 days he wants to do a deal and will talk. This is more than ever before. Take it as a positive as the over riding aim is ccfc to play in cov and if sisu want to carry on with a pointless appeal let them its their money but humour them and hear them out.

 

[Hobo]

"It is a complicated legal issue". Only because SISU make it a complicated legal issue.....and they don't know when the law derides their lust for greed.

 

[shy_tall_knight]

No different really from ACL a year ago saying they loved the club, wanted them to stay but then rejecting the CVA. Still, as long as it's sorted out in the end I don't really care who takes who to court.

Move to Northampton was agreed in early July 2013, CVA was rejected in August 2013, when the CVA was rejected they had already left. They don't want a long term lease nor to pay the £590k but having left want to come back but on their terms such as full matchday revenue.

 

[spider_ricoh]

What happened to "Play A is the new stadium, we've moved on" etc?? Could it be that way always just a smokescreen to hide his real intention of getting more leverage on ACL (the judge thought so)?

I predicted this - put more pressure on ACL by dangling the prospect of talks in front of fans whilst still pursuing a "twin track" approach.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

No different really from ACL a year ago saying they loved the club, wanted them to stay but then rejecting the CVA. Still, as long as it's sorted out in the end I don't really care who takes who to court.

It's nothing like it at all. When will you ever judge our owners for what they are? Successive judges think less of them than you. Yet every time they extend this pantomime; you're always quick with an excuse, or an analogy, or some old wive's tale that tries to excuse their behaviour

 

[Grendel]

It's nothing like it at all. When will you ever judge our owners for what they are? Successive judges think less of them than you. Yet every time they extend this pantomime; you're always quick with an excuse, or an analogy, or some old wive's tale that tries to excuse their behaviour

He's not excusing their behaviour but drawing a parallel to everyone's favourite management companies behaviour.

 

[Kingokings204]

He's not excusing their behaviour but drawing a parallel to everyone's favourite management companies behaviour.

Its not a parallel Grendel its just a false statement that everyone but you has clearly seen.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

He's not excusing their behaviour but drawing a parallel to everyone's favourite management companies behaviour.

He doesn't even comment on (let alone criticise) action which will further destabilise our football club. Make some comment, then make a comparison afterwards would be better. But to simply gloss over the continued disruption and point the finger back 18 months to a disassociated action is a joke. But typical behaviour

 

[Ian1779]

He doesn't even comment on what is action which will further destabilise out football club. Make some comment, then make a comparison afterwards would be better. But to simply gloss over the continued disruption and point the finger back 18 months to a disassociated action is a joke. But typical behaviour

To be fair - none of the actions are disassociated. They are all connected.

This is the point where both sides need to give a little. SISU need to drop the court appeal, and ACL need to retract their previous stance on only dealing once monies paid. The money is with the FL now, its their call what happens next, so there is no reason to not start the negotiation.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

To be fair - none of the actions are disassociated. They are all connected.

This is the point where both sides need to give a little. SISU need to drop the court appeal, and ACL need to retract their previous stance on only dealing once monies paid. The money is with the FL now, its their call what happens next, so there is no reason to not start the negotiation.

Well it's all one narrative; we understand that. But one was an action pertaining to the administration process, and the other to the Judicial Review. They are legally disassociated.

But anyone, from any side has to see that this review - and the ongoing wrangle - has to be seen as wrong. Very, very, very wrong

 

[Warwickhunt]

What has the appeal got to do with ACL? I thought the appeal was against the Council! its nothing to do with ACL as far as I can see. The judge ruled against SISU on many things on one of the grounds that ACL was a stand alone company and the Council lending them 14.4Million was not classed as state aid. However if ACL are saying different then the right to appeal can include this statement made by ACL surely?

 

[oldskyblue58]

Sorry but I do not see how this can be parked to one side so ACL should talk to CCFC/SISU. The action is not just against CCC but has ACL joined in. As such that means all the time the case continues it is costing CCC & ACL money time and energy.

Now they may however unlikely get leave to appeal but the Judgement was pretty stark as to what had gone on. The appeal will have to be on points of law. As far as I am aware you can not produce new facts. In any case part of the process of the Judgement was that each sides Barristers had a draft to check the facts so wrong "in fact" seems a strange argument

I would expect that the costs issue will not be settled all the time that the appeal (if they get one) is going on. Leaves CCC and ACL out of pocket and pressure on finances .......

What this does mean however is that the finger for no talks taking place will be pointed at ACL. But is it or was the offer to talk by TF/JS based on an expectation of failure to begin with? Have we not been told by the lady herself that she doesn't do compromise and negotiation she prefers to go straight in and tell people what she wants.

 

[Warwickhunt]

Well it's all one narrative; we understand that. But one was an action pertaining to the administration process, and the other to the Judicial Review. They are legally disassociated.

But anyone, from any side has to see that this review - and the ongoing wrangle - has to be seen as wrong. Very, very, very wrong

I would look closely at TF statement in the telegraph “We are totally committed to pay any monies that are due to the stadium and as sign of this commitment we have already placed substantial funds in an escrow account to cover any amount owed,” he said.

we really need to understand what substancial Funds mean in this context. If it was £590k he would have said that surely - If the total money was placed in escrow the FL would not be having the problems they have in making a decision would they

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Sorry but I do not see how this can be parked to one side so ACL should talk to CCFC/SISU. The action is not just against CCC but has ACL joined in. As such that means all the time the case continues it is costing CCC & ACL money time and energy.

Talking to people increases the chances of appeals being dropped, as it increases the chances of finding common ground.

Not talking ensures nothing will happen.

 

[spider_ricoh]

Not talking ensures nothing will happen.

Unless SISU decide to be reasonable and drop their appeal to their totally unreasonable case...

 

[Deleted member 5849]

That still ensures nothing will happen unless they talk.

Communication is a wonderful thing, can solve all kinds of issues.

Or people can entrench in positions that say they don't want to resolve things, and by that very action end up condoning a continuation of a fight to the death.

 

[Houdi]

To be fair - none of the actions are disassociated. They are all connected.

This is the point where both sides need to give a little. SISU need to drop the court appeal, and ACL need to retract their previous stance on only dealing once monies paid. The money is with the FL now, its their call what happens next, so there is no reason to not start the negotiation.

Except SISU haven't dropped their appeal have they. So even our your terms of them needing to drop the appeal they fail. As 'most ' people have said SISU should purely be judged on their actions, their public utterances carry zero credibility,with most people including High Court Judges.

 

[Lord_Nampil]

Talking to people increases the chances of appeals being dropped, as it increases the chances of finding common ground.

Not talking ensures nothing will happen.

This is exactly what I was going to say, i also think at the moment, what else can sisu do, if talks begin and the council say u can build wat ever u want without our objection then the appeal will be dropped.....

 

[oldskyblue58]

and taking or continuing legal action invariably leads to a break down in communication NW. Best way talks happen is if both sides compromise. Do you see any compromise from SISU?

The £590k owed to ACL is completely out of their control, so in theory they could say show us the escrow and we will accept the money is there. But given SISU's past history and the FL ineptitude that's quite a big step or compromise but possible because it has no on going cost implications. I could see such an agreement.

The deposit of funds in an escrow account is quite clever. It is still all their money, nothing has actually been paid out, the FL can see the money and say their member has made all the right moves and ACL can do sod all about it.

However the appeal could result in on going cost time and effort which is better spent on their business, they have been proven right on every point in court and have 10's of 000's locked up in costs which it seems will only be added to. Again out of ACL control but a good bargaining chip if SISU really wanted to come back on a short term deal

I would also disagree with you in this instance about talking increasing the chances of an appeal being dropped. In all this people are missing that the objective of SISU has not changed and that their chosen method of solution is through the courts. They are not desperate financially to come back this season - the finances have been levelled out with no more "investment" required (in fact they could probably take their interest out if not some capital). There is no pressure to return in that sense and therefore no rush to do a deal. They can make what demands they think, take what actions they think, believing ACL will get the blame and wrath of the fans.

 

[covcity4life]

nothing fisher says there is wrong really. lets hope acl/council do their bit now.

 

[italiahorse]

He's not excusing their behaviour but drawing a parallel to everyone's favourite management companies behaviour.

Which is ?

 

[LB87ccfc]

Time for ALC / Council to say pay us the money owed ( whatever FL deem fit) and we will offer you minimum 50% revenues and a reduced rent put into an escrow account for monthly / yearly payments to come out off.. If SISU said no to this.. then there really would be no hope at all.

 

[lamtara2006]

Of course the Legal Action matters, Tim. Nobody in their right mind negotiates 'with a gun to their head'. The court proceedings have been shown to be hopeless and failed in the High Court, Mr Justice Hickinbottom's ruling left no room for doubt. Yet Sisu plan to continue with an appeal (if given leave) that will drag Coventry City Council and ACL through more time-wasting with costs incurred.
The whole approach of the current owners and directors of Coventry City Football Club has been one of confrontation. At a minimum, they should commit to suspending the appeal process with a commitment to dropping it if agreement on a return to the Ricoh is achieved. Otherwise, it is difficult to see how reasonable people can possibly deal with them against the background of such pointless aggression.

 

[italiahorse]

Best just wait until SISU have finished their futile attempt to get the Ricoh and/or build a new ground. Whoever is still interested in CCFC at that point will come back. I fear that won't be many.