CCLSC conversation with TF (2 Viewers)

[skybluetony176]

Is TF not chief executive? Generally CEOs have power to make these kind of decisions themselves. That is why they are paid so much.

If that were true we wouldn't have hand shake gate and we never would have left the Ricoh or had the JR. TF may be the head but JS is the neck and she can turn the head whichever way she likes.

If she did back this proposal, regardless of if her name was added as a human error or not there would have been no need to ammend it on the clubs web site. Surely?

 

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[olderskyblue]

Is TF not chief executive? Generally CEOs have power to make these kind of decisions themselves. That is why they are paid so much.

Generally...you're right.

But you know this is NOT the case with TF, right?

 

[Godiva]

If that were true we wouldn't have hand shake gate and we never would have left the Ricoh or had the JR. TF may be the head but JS is the neck and she can turn the head whichever way she likes.

If she did back this proposal, regardless of if her name was added as a human error or not there would have been no need to ammend it on the clubs web site. Surely?

A CEO operates freely within the objectives set by the shareholders.
Something very important happened in January 2013 that changed the game and the objectives had to change as well.
The deal TF agreed was actually a deal proposed in late 2012 by JS when they still believed the club would obtain part ownership of the club. The bail out and the hostile public comments changed everything and I can understand why the owners had to rethink the situation.

 

[Kingokings204]

A CEO operates freely within the objectives set by the shareholders.
Something very important happened in January 2013 that changed the game and the objectives had to change as well.
The deal TF agreed was actually a deal proposed in late 2012 by JS when they still believed the club would obtain part ownership of the club. The bail out and the hostile public comments changed everything and I can understand why the owners had to rethink the situation.

Really?

 

[Godiva]

Really?

No, I just made it all up.

 

[skybluetony176]

A CEO operates freely within the objectives set by the shareholders.
Something very important happened in January 2013 that changed the game and the objectives had to change as well.
The deal TF agreed was actually a deal proposed in late 2012 by JS when they still believed the club would obtain part ownership of the club. The bail out and the hostile public comments changed everything and I can understand why the owners had to rethink the situation.

This is the worthless part she was willing to make a £2M donation to Higgs for because she's a good Christian? Didn't a Judge laugh at that? Hasn't it been exposed that there was never any real hunger to buy the Higgs share? That being the case how could Joy have thought the club would obtain part ownership if they never had the hunger to complete the deal? The judges words, not mine.

 

[sky blue john]

So why don't ACL call them out and agree to discuss the offer?

Maybe they will maybe they won't but are you and Godiva happy to take that chance ?

 

[mark82]

Not in Jan/feb last year apparently.

And other point Mark. ACL won't contact sisu until the 2 criteria have been met and so far neither has. Simple surely.

Personally think ACLs stance is a little unreasonable as I have explained before. They can make an agreement pending receipt of monies owed. I personally see asking someone to drop an appeal verging on blackmail. I don't believe Sisu will win or that they are in the right in any way but being able to appeal a courts decision is a basic civil liberty in this country.

 

[mark82]

Maybe they will maybe they won't but are you and Godiva happy to take that chance ?

All I want is to be back in Coventry. That will take concessions and actions from BOTH sides to allow it to happen.

 

[skybluetony176]

Personally think ACLs stance is a little unreasonable as I have explained before. They can make an agreement pending receipt of monies owed. I personally see asking someone to drop an appeal verging on blackmail. I don't believe Sisu will win or that they are in the right in any way but being able to appeal a courts decision is a basic civil liberty in this country.

If you dont believe SISU will win an appeal it sound more like ACL are doing them a favour than blackmailing them.

Other than that i agree, I also cant see why the FL cant come to a decision before the 7th of August.

 

[Godiva]

This is the worthless part she was willing to make a £2M donation to Higgs for because she's a good Christian? Didn't a Judge laugh at that? Hasn't it been exposed that there was never any real hunger to buy the Higgs share? That being the case how could Joy have thought the club would obtain part ownership if they never had the hunger to complete the deal? The judges words, not mine.

Maybe the judge got it wrong? It does happen, you know. His remarks were opinions, not quotes of the laws.
Let's wait until the appeals have been exhausted before we take a decision as gospel.
In the end the winner writes the history.

 

[Nick]

Maybe they will maybe they won't but are you and Godiva happy to take that chance ?

I'd be really happy for them to at least start talking.

 

[Godiva]

Maybe they will maybe they won't but are you and Godiva happy to take that chance ?

Why wouldn't I be happy if ACL invites the club to discuss the offer?

 

[skybluetony176]

Maybe the judge got it wrong? It does happen, you know. His remarks were opinions, not quotes of the laws.
Let's wait until the appeals have been exhausted before we take a decision as gospel.
In the end the winner writes the history.

Which Judge? The one in the Higgs case or the one that overseen the JR? Maybe both?

Do you not think it's more likely that SISU are wrong.

I'm exhausted by the appeals already and they haven't even started.

 

[Nick]

Which Judge? The one in the Higgs case or the one that overseen the JR? Maybe both?

Do you not think it's more likely that SISU are wrong.

I'm exhausted by the appeals already and they haven't even started.

Wasn't it the same judge in both?

 

[Kingokings204]

Not the same judge in both no. Wasn't it leggatt and higgenbottom?

Thing is though Godiva it's all Sisu's fault they moved out and they offered as tony says 2m and it was laughed out of court. It was sisu who started playing funny buggers not ACL.

It's common knowledge Higgs wanted or want out. 2million was derisory and rightly laughed out of court.

 

[sky blue john]

Why wouldn't I be happy if ACL invites the club to discuss the offer?

Your stance was that you want Sisu to continue with the JR.
My question was are you happy with that decision if it means that Acl don't get round the table and begin negotiations ?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Not the same judge in both no. Wasn't it leggatt and higgenbottom?

Thing is though Godiva it's all Sisu's fault they moved out and they offered as tony says 2m and it was laughed out of court. It was sisu who started playing funny buggers not ACL.

It's common knowledge Higgs wanted or want out. 2million was derisory and rightly laughed out of court.

Is that relevant today? Is it relevant to a temporary rent deal? Is it relevant to the JR appeal (where a European Court may look more strictly at the legislation)?

 

[sky blue john]

Maybe the judge got it wrong? It does happen, you know. His remarks were opinions, not quotes of the laws.
Let's wait until the appeals have been exhausted before we take a decision as gospel.
In the end the winner writes the history.

Lol !!
So your saying the judge made his decision based on opinion not law ?

 

[Godiva]

Your stance was that you want Sisu to continue with the JR.
My question was are you happy with that decision if it means that Acl don't get round the table and begin negotiations ?

If ACL decide they won't allow the club home on a short term deal because sisu won't drop the appeal, then I will blame ACL.
Absolutely.
It's blackmail and an attempt to obstruct the legal system where appeals is an important part.

 

[ccfcway]

what are we paying and what are we getting in Northampton ?

 

[Godiva]

Lol !!
So your saying the judge made his decision based on opinion not law ?

No, I said his remarks were opinions.

 

[Kingokings204]

If ACL decide they won't allow the club home on a short term deal because sisu won't drop the appeal, then I will blame ACL.
Absolutely.
It's blackmail and an attempt to obstruct the legal system where appeals is an important part.

I will try and take you to court for over a year and then I get battered in court and I still insist on appealing against you and see if you do a deal with me?

Is this for real? You're saying businesses should do deals with people who take them through stressful and costly court hearings. For real?

 

[sky blue john]

If ACL decide they won't allow the club home on a short term deal because sisu won't drop the appeal, then I will blame ACL.
Absolutely.
It's blackmail and an attempt to obstruct the legal system where appeals is an important part.

No business in the world would deal with a company that is constantly trying to sue them !!

 

[sky blue john]

I will try and take you to court for over a year and then I get battered in court and I still insist on appealing against you and see if you do a deal with me?

Is this for real? You're saying businesses should do deals with people who take them through stressful and costly court hearings. For real?

Lol !!
I would think Godiva sees it as relationship building.

 

[skybluetony176]

If ACL decide they won't allow the club home on a short term deal because sisu won't drop the appeal, then I will blame ACL.
Absolutely.
It's blackmail and an attempt to obstruct the legal system where appeals is an important part.

Agee mostly with you there. It's hardley black mail though is it? The appeal seems so hopeless given the summing up of the JR if anything they're offering SISU a way out that will save them some face.

But, however if sisu want to continue with it i dont se why it should be an issue seeing as they were willing to do a deal (though the FL) when the outcome of the JR was far from certain it shouldn't be a problem now.

 

[lordsummerisle]

It's common knowledge Higgs wanted or want out. 2million was derisory and rightly laughed out of court.

I don't know why CCC don't buy out Higgs and own it all themselves to be honest.

Though they thought that the "derisory" offer was more than it was worth I think from some of the documents during the Higgs case.

 

[Kingokings204]

No business in the world would deal with a company that is constantly trying to sue them !!

Apparently it's fine and won't stop a deal john. I can't believe what I read sometimes.

Hey I'm suing you for millions but can we still do a deal in the short term? Lol

 

[sky blue john]

@ Godiva, you present a lot of well balanced arguments most of the time but this one you have lost the plot.

 

[Kingokings204]

I don't know why CCC don't buy out Higgs and own it all themselves to be honest.

Though they thought that the "derisory" offer was more than it was worth I think from some of the documents during the Higgs case.

I agree with that. Ccc could buy out Higgs and at least it sets them free from this saga then and then another company is out of the way.

As much as I think Godiva is crazy sometimes he does say one true thing and ccfc and ACL need to be the same people. A bit like Haskell wanted to do. It's the only way both can survive long term. ATM both are on life support.

 

[Godiva]

I will try and take you to court for over a year and then I get battered in court and I still insist on appealing against you and see if you do a deal with me?

Is this for real? You're saying businesses should do deals with people who take them through stressful and costly court hearings. For real?

This has nothing to do with 'you' or 'me' or 'Johnny' or 'Mary'.

It's a dispute between two businesses who greatly depend on each other. Who both suffers when they don't work together. Who can't in the short term satisfy their customers, business partners and their owners if they do not work together.
They disagree about a thing in the past - so they use the legal system to sort it out.
Customers and business partners depend on them to continue to work together while the historical dispute is settled in court.

 

[fernandopartridge]

Apparently it's fine and won't stop a deal john. I can't believe what I read sometimes.

Hey I'm suing you for millions but can we still do a deal in the short term? Lol

They're not suing anybody

 

[sky blue john]

Its funny how some are using the words blackmail as part of their arguments !
Would you call with holding rent a form of blackmail ?
Would you call the threat of liquidation a form of blackmail ?
Would you call taking a club away from its city a form of blackmail ?

 

[fernandopartridge]

Also John. I work in an organisation that can be simultaneously in dispute with a contractor whilst also allowing them to bid for further business. In the real world this does happen. Furthermore. The case is SISU against Coventry City Council. It isn't ACL.

 

[Kingokings204]

They're not suing anybody

What would you call it? They are doing it for the people of Coventry and making sure taxpayers money is spent correctly?