The sick state of football (1 Viewer)

[paulw]

Chelsea, a club owned by a Billionaire, have just received 28 million pounds for the sale of Lakaku from Everton. At the same time Everton are pleading poverty and demand to go to a tribunal for buying Galloway from MK Dons. Dons have asked for 1 million but Everton don't want to pay above 400,000 for a lad who is out of contract. How can the PL or the FL allow this to happen?
ALL the top teams are buying foreign players so the money is going out of the league system yet top clubs steal the young academy players from smalle clubs and don't compensate them enough.
I hope the tribunal tell Everton to pay 2 million but MK Dons will use the money to strengthen their team by buying players from FL teams therefore the money stays in the game.
A club like Everton should be ashamed of themselves because their owner is British and often complains when his young players are snatched away by bigger clubs, and their manager has played and managed at a lower level so should understand the plight of smaller clubs.

 

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[RFC]

Totally agree, those running the game should hang their heads in shame.

 

[Otis]

Totally agree, those running the game should hang their heads in shame.

And do you agree that owners of football clubs should hang their heads in shame too?

 

[chiefdave]

at some point the lower league teams will start going out of business one after the other and / or not be able to afford to develop youngsters to the required level. What then? There will be just the premier league teams left who can't develop their own youngsters. Their answer will be to rely on imports so in that scenario who plays for England?

The authorities have got to get a grip, I fear by the time they take any action it will be too late.

Look at us for example, if we went out of business we wouldn't all start supporting another club. We'd drift away from football. Then the cash cow dries up, if people lose interest then the FA can't make as much from TV rights and the whole thing spirals downwards.

 

[bringbackrattles]

Chelsea, a club owned by a Billionaire, have just received 28 million pounds for the sale of Lakaku from Everton. At the same time Everton are pleading poverty and demand to go to a tribunal for buying Galloway from MK Dons. Dons have asked for 1 million but Everton don't want to pay above 400,000 for a lad who is out of contract. How can the PL or the FL allow this to happen?
ALL the top teams are buying foreign players so the money is going out of the league system yet top clubs steal the young academy players from smalle clubs and don't compensate them enough.
I hope the tribunal tell Everton to pay 2 million but MK Dons will use the money to strengthen their team by buying players from FL teams therefore the money stays in the game.
A club like Everton should be ashamed of themselves because their owner is British and often complains when his young players are snatched away by bigger clubs, and their manager has played and managed at a lower level so should understand the plight of smaller clubs.

Your title sums it up nicely as football is sick and will probably get sicker.
The Premier League is a league of it's own with the top six on another planet,while the rest battle it out just to stay in it.
I was used to seeing us play in the top flight but as we are never going to get back there have got used to lower league football,and to be honest real football and real football fans are to be found in the football league and non-league.
This season I'm not bothering with the Premier League as it's become boring and obscene with it's obsession with money,I'm going to focus on real football instead !

 

[Covstu]

Although i agree its wrong, arn't Everton only applying to rules laid out for them? They are not breaching any rules by doing what they are doing are they?The whole system is wrong at present but clubs are paying through the teeth for British talent where they can get cheaper deals elsewhere so sadly they will seek abroad to get VFM. Thanksfully sense broke through on the B team idea as that would have put practically a whole league out of business to appease the big guns. The game is stacked in heavy favour against clubs like us and i cannot see that gap being shortened until they review the game from the ground upwards not top downwards.

 

[RFC]

The vast majority, it's called Murdoch Money (along with most agents by the way)
PUSB!

 

[Sutty]

My 11 year old cousin used to be in the Wycombe academy. When the EPPP came into effect it meant there was a set price for PL clubs to pay in order to purchase young players from lower-ranked academies. The result, obvious to anyone with a brain is that the top clubs can cherry-pick the most promising youngsters for a fraction of their true value. This leads to lower league clubs having to invest money in developing these players, and getting very little reward. As a result, Wycombe are one of a number of clubs to have closed their academy.

This is what the PL is doing to football development in this country, it's nothing to do with a need for B teams, or loan agreements, it's about ensuring there is an adequate reward for developing young players, otherwise, what's the point?

 

[lift tower]

Chelsea, a club owned by a Billionaire, have just received 28 million pounds for the sale of Lakaku from Everton. At the same time Everton are pleading poverty and demand to go to a tribunal for buying Galloway from MK Dons. Dons have asked for 1 million but Everton don't want to pay above 400,000 for a lad who is out of contract. How can the PL or the FL allow this to happen?
ALL the top teams are buying foreign players so the money is going out of the league system yet top clubs steal the young academy players from smalle clubs and don't compensate them enough.
I hope the tribunal tell Everton to pay 2 million but MK Dons will use the money to strengthen their team by buying players from FL teams therefore the money stays in the game.
A club like Everton should be ashamed of themselves because their owner is British and often complains when his young players are snatched away by bigger clubs, and their manager has played and managed at a lower level so should understand the plight of smaller clubs.

The whole structure of the game in this country is messed up, look at ticket prices fans have to pay compared to the wages distinctly average players get
Oh and by the way MK dons (although in this case they are the victim) shouldn't exist and don't count on Martinez to show any empathy, he was all for B teams killing the lower leagues a few months ago!

 

[lift tower]

My 11 year old cousin used to be in the Wycombe academy. When the EPPP came into effect it meant there was a set price for PL clubs to pay in order to purchase young players from lower-ranked academies. The result, obvious to anyone with a brain is that the top clubs can cherry-pick the most promising youngsters for a fraction of their true value. This leads to lower league clubs having to invest money in developing these players, and getting very little reward. As a result, Wycombe are one of a number of clubs to have closed their academy.

This is what the PL is doing to football development in this country, it's nothing to do with a need for B teams, or loan agreements, it's about ensuring there is an adequate reward for developing young players, otherwise, what's the point?

Then the prem clubs stockpile the young talent, complain they aren't given a chance to develop in competitive games and the lads get released. A lot of the time you never hear about these transfers involving 14 year old kids or whatever but occasionally a bit of news leaks out. You very rarely hear of the player again though.

 

[blueflint]

And do you agree that owners of football clubs should hang their heads in shame too?

don't hold your breath for a reply

 

[paulw]

don't hold your breath for a reply

This room has nothing to do with CCFC so please don't bring CCFC problems on board. I'm going to contribute more to this room because I dont need the negativity.

 

[Sutty]

Then the prem clubs stockpile the young talent, complain they aren't given a chance to develop in competitive games and the lads get released. A lot of the time you never hear about these transfers involving 14 year old kids or whatever but occasionally a bit of news leaks out. You very rarely hear of the player again though.

If they couldn't cherry pick them in the first place, then the B team idea wouldn't even have to be discussed. It's sad, the best thing about English football is the lower league structure. There's a greater depth of quality football here than anywhere else and it should be protected.

The way the Premier League has developed in the last 20 years is like when Skynet becomes self-aware in Terminator.

 

[lift tower]

If they couldn't cherry pick them in the first place, then the B team idea wouldn't even have to be discussed. It's sad, the best thing about English football is the lower league structure. There's a greater depth of quality football here than anywhere else and it should be protected.

The way the Premier League has developed in the last 20 years is like when Skynet becomes self-aware in Terminator.

And to think when they first set up the prem they said the England team would somehow benefit from it.

 

[Covstu]

If they couldn't cherry pick them in the first place, then the B team idea wouldn't even have to be discussed. It's sad, the best thing about English football is the lower league structure. There's a greater depth of quality football here than anywhere else and it should be protected.

The way the Premier League has developed in the last 20 years is like when Skynet becomes self-aware in Terminator.

Agree, I think the premier league is a beast that wont change and I don't think it can be reformed to match the German leagues etc. There is no chance in hell where owners of Man City, Utd and Chelsea for example are just going to give ownership to the fans, the league will probably implode before this happens. Spanish league is arguably in a worse condition that our league in the amount of debt that the big two consistently carry. Italy imploded with the corruption problems years ago and has never really recovered to the levels there were at. Sadly It might need to drastic step back on that level to even have a chance of being reformed.

 

[ilovefootball]

amen to this!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

The whole structure of the game in this country is messed up, look at ticket prices fans have to pay compared to the wages distinctly average players get
Oh and by the way MK dons (although in this case they are the victim) shouldn't exist and don't count on Martinez to show any empathy, he was all for B teams killing the lower leagues a few months ago!

I'm going to watch 1860 Munich later on today. German 2nd division game, Allianz Arena, standing tickets just 11 euros however to sit is at least twice as much. At other clubs, even at the likes of Dortmund and Schalke you can expect to pay less and the crowds are the highest in Europe. Do the clubs lose money? No, they make profits. Do they become less competitive in Europe? No. Does their national team suffer? Just won the World Cup.

Run the game properly and reap the benefits-it really is that simple.

 

[Terry Gibson's perm]

The big clubs will stock pile players, to get the one player through they need the rest of the team who they just throw on the scrap heap the days are gone of youth team players leaving a big club and finding a club lower down and then working back up partly because they believe they are above that and also because most are just not good enough.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Just waiting to fly out from Munich but the Allianz didn't disappoint. 32,000 crowd and although they lost 3-0 the atmosphere was good. Interestingly enough there were lots of protests against the other team as they are being propped up by Red Bull. Protests against the use of clubs as marketing tools, protests against commercialisation of the game and so on.