oh and I know the response to this so I'll save you the typing, blah blah blah, long term future, blah blah blah, food and beverage revenues, I don't believe it, you don't believe it, Tim Fisher doesn't believe it, Mark Labovich doesn't believe it, moving to Northampton was not in the best interests of Otium Entertainment and thus Fisher and Labovich aren't fulfilling their legal obligations as directors.
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oh and I know the response to this so I'll save you the typing, blah blah blah, long term future, blah blah blah, food and beverage revenues, I don't believe it, you don't believe it, Tim Fisher doesn't believe it, Mark Labovich doesn't believe it, moving to Northampton was not in the best interests of Otium Entertainment and thus Fisher and Labovich aren't fulfilling their legal obligations as directors.
bigfatronssba
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Yeah but, but, but, but , but, but, but, but, but, but. That is different yeah?
I didn't say he was doing a good job, just that he is doing his job so by your theory you can't dislike him, else it would be bitter and twisted.
What is even more bitter and twisted is saying it but only meaning it for one side and finding excuses for the other.
I'm not sure if you are deliberately not trying to understand or not. You may have a point about Seppala, but Fisher you are onto a loser I'm afraid.
Fisher is a director of CCFC/Otium, yet he is not acting in the best interests of the company he is supposedly in charge of.
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If you looked objectively, and took the emotion out of it...
Moving to Northampton has so far got concessions from ACL that were never even considered before; this is in Otium's interests;
Moving to Northampton was part of the strategy to break the lease and thus offer more flexibility in what is on offer; this is in Otium's interests.
The rhetoric from CCC has changed from 'the Ricoh is not for sale' to 'we will talk about anything'; this is in Otium's interests.
Objectively, there are many things that have been in Otium's interests. If we insist on discussing this in financial terms then yes, moving to Northampton has been in Otium's interests from a certain perspective.
The social is another matter...
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Nick
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I am not sure if you are trying to miss the point or not, I can't remember saying he was doing a great job. I just said he was doing his job, but maybe not greatly
It was you who made the broad statement that it is bitter and twisted for disliking somebody for doing their job but are finding reasons to dislike somebody for erm, doing their job
I am happy to be bitter and twisted by thinking every party involved is made up of dickheads.
skybluetony176
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I think he meant modern law I.e not living in the past. And the concentration camps were not within the law. The red cross was infiltrate by the Nazis during the course of the war so they turned a blind eye to it while it was happening and any Nazis they could find were trialed after the war and others are still being seeked to this very day so they can face trial. Hence the term war criminal. Your "logic" isn't logic.
bigfatronssba
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I am not sure if you are trying to miss the point or not, I can't remember saying he was doing a great job. I just said he was doing his job, but maybe not greatly
It was you who made the broad statement that it is bitter and twisted for disliking somebody for doing their job but are finding reasons to dislike somebody for erm, doing their job
I am happy to be bitter and twisted by thinking every party involved is made up of dickheads.
My point is he is not doing his job. He is carrying out the responsibilities associated with a Sisu director, not a CCFC/Otium one.
Maybe my memory is bad but I don't think any of that is true, Otium never had the lease, The lease was broken at the same time as Otium became the football club, By the time Otium were the football club ACL were already offering fantastic deals, the best interests of Otium at that time was to do a deal to play at the Ricoh.
Not to mention the fact that since they haven't taken up any of the concessions offered by ACL its done them no good whatsoever. The Move to northampton has done nothing but hurt both the short and long term finances of Otium Entertainment.
oh and I am looking objectively without emotion, you can certainly argue that the refusal to pay rent while scummy did work, it's just a shame they didn't do a deal at the end of it, but none of this was Otium was it? it was ccfc holdings or ltd I forget sorry.
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Sick Boy
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hahahahaha!! Nice work.
skybluetony176
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I can't see how anyone could argue otherwise Ron. Someone will give it a go though I'm sure.
Sick Boy
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You are either thick or massively naive. Or both.
Nick
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He is doing what he is told and getting paid for it, I would say that is doing his job isn't it? Whether we like it or not.
If he was in his bosses eyes doing his job wrong, surely he would be a gonna? Surely his employers judge whether he is doing his job or not though?
Is he breaking any laws? If so, report him and get him done for it.
This isn't me saying I think he is doing a fantastic job, just pointing out the faults in your statement. You say people can be bitter and twisted for disliking somebody doing their job, but have a signature like yours?
I started a thread a few months back asking the same question ie are the directors fulfilling their duties and all the people you would expect shot it down, Grendel was particularly vitriolic.
Sick Boy
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What do you think about concentration camps that were set up by the British? Are these acceptable in comparison to those countries from EUSSR?
Grendel
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Don't confuse him -- history isn't his strong point
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Who needs Hitler...
skybluetony176
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If you Google directors duties by law you'll come across a government website and it states that it is law that a director must always act in the best interest of the company that they are director off. Can you say hand on heart that moving to Northampton is in the best interests for CCFC as opposed to one of the many temporary offers ACL made on the run up to and during last season?
Nick
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Exactly, it depends through whos eyes you are looking through in terms of "doing their job".
Nick
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Does that not depend on what the aims of the company are?
Have you reported him?
skybluetony176
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From what point in history are you talking?
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skybluetony176
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It's strong enough to know that Nazi concentration camps were not legal. More than can be said about your tag team partner bitter lemon.
why would you bother reporting him? we saw exactly how good they are at making sure directors do their jobs when it came to submitting accounts, when they were way overdue they wrote them a letter and when they were incredibly overdue they sent them a sterner letter and then they let them get out of ever filing accounts by liquidating the company.
Sick Boy
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I don't think they were illegal in Germany.
bigfatronssba
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Can you just explain then why concentration camp guards have been pursued by the authorities all over the world for the last 69 years if they did nothing illegal?
It really doesn't, through the eyes of the Otium Directors, not the fans, looking dispassionately at nothing but the short and long term success of Otium Entertainment, Tim Fisher and Mark Labovich are not doing their jobs.
Anyway off to bed, goodnight.
bigfatronssba
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They contravened the Geneva convention of which Germany had signed up to in 1929.
skybluetony176
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What is the aim of Otium then?
I don't think I have the authority to report him. That would be the accounts auditors call I believe. If you read the guidelines they are typically ambiguous so it will probably never happen.
Besides I was asking you if the temporary move to Northampton does more for the financial stability of the club than a temporary deal at the Ricoh. Unsurprisingly you dodged the question.
Sick Boy
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Do you mean British or German guards?
Nick
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I guess it depends on the longterm happenings doesn't it? If it turns out that by moving it put the club in a better position at the Ricoh in terms of rent, pies then it could be deemed in the best interests long term? If we go tits up tomorrow because of it, then of course
Stupid decision known by most though
Hence I said everybody involved is a dickhead but apparently bitter and twisted for it.
skybluetony176
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Then why were there trials after the war when people got convicted of war crimes? Did the judge get it wrong? Perhaps it was that pesky Justice Hickinbottom again.
skybluetony176
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I guess it depends on the longterm happenings doesn't it? If it turns out that by moving it put the club in a better position at the Ricoh in terms of rent, pies then it could be deemed in the best interests long term? If we go tits up tomorrow because of it, then of course
Stupid decision known by most though
Lets compare eggs with eggs Nick. A temporary deal at the Ricoh against a temporary deal at Suxfields? If (if) we end up with our own ground at the end of any temporary deal surely TF is honour bound to make sure any temporary deal is best for the club. Has he done that?
skybluetony176
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Really? Tell me you're on the wind up. You're not really that thick are you?
Geneva convention. Mean anything to you?
Nick
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Without going over old ground, not saying it is right but TF could say they tried to get a temporary run off deal at the Ricoh but it was rejected but since moving us away the deals have slowly got a bit better for the club haven't they?
Again, it depends on the final outcome doesn't it? If the club goes to shit, I am more than happy to see them all locked up
Quite happy to say that all sides are doing a shit job too.
italiahorse
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You will find that ACL proposed a deal that went up and down depending on league. Ccfc wanted a fixed deal presumably expecting a quick return to the PL. A rent of £1.4M would then be relatively cheap (?). It was also outgoing rent at HR.
The risk to CCFC was the high rent if they went down the divisions. The risk came home.