Grendel
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I would hazard a guess at the Boer War. Kitchener and his concentration camp idea - all perfectly legal I'm sure.
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I would hazard a guess at the Boer War. Kitchener and his concentration camp idea - all perfectly legal I'm sure.
skybluetony176
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Without going over old ground, not saying it is right but TF could say they tried to get a temporary run off deal at the Ricoh but it was rejected but since moving us away the deals have slowly got a bit better for the club haven't they?
Again, it depends on the final outcome doesn't it? If the club goes to shit, I am more than happy to see them all locked up
They did get better. Tell me, did Otium ever consider any of them or did they deny that they'd even been made or make excuses like "no direct offer was made"? So again can you say that behaviour was acting in the best interests of the club?
Grendel
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The rent was not £1.4 million - ask someone at ACL want the actual rent was before the penalty clause came in.
Also the builders of course bought the land and have CCFC a price for sale. So this was equity release with penalties for length of stay.
Its not rent.
skybluetony176
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Depends on what the international law was at the time I guess. I don't pretend to know what it was without Google. Do you? Do you think that Nazi concentration camps were legal?
Nick
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Like I say, surely we can judge on the behaviour from a business side when we see the "outcome". If their posturing and acting like dicks gets us back to the Ricoh on a much better deal then it may have paid off so could be judged in the best interests. If it all goes to shit, then of course not. Does it look like it now? Of course not as a fan but would it if we went back on a decent deal for the club?
If the offers / deals for the club got better by moving us to Northampton then it could be judged by some as a good move couldn't it?
Grendel
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Its nothing to do with international law is it? Britain was the super power at the time. As to this childish argument regarding concentration camps the answer really is the same. If Germany had succeeded in their list for domination they would of course have been legal.
One uk industry that definately was legal was the Slave trade. I guess you and Ron would be vehemently defending the trade and its owners as they were looking after their "shareholders" and boy was it legal.
skybluetony176
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Whether Germany won the war or not doesn't change the fact that they broke the Geneva convention which at the time of the events was law, wasn't it.
Why would I defend the slave trade? I was doing no more than correcting two people (maybe that should be three given your latest post) on there unbelievable assumptions that the Nazi concentration camps were some how legal. Where have I defended the behaviour of ACL's directors in this thread? Stop being an idiot.
Grendel
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This is becoming rather boring but for the record the Geneva Convention is related to the treatment of prisoners in active combat. In the early 30's the National Socialists passed a series of laws that meant all aspects of concentration camp policy came wholly under the jurisdiction of the SS and effectively were lifted from the German legal system. It is probable the Weimer Constitution made them legal anyway.
Grendel
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One final point and then I will stop is that the trials in Nuremberg focused on illegal acts of war. I believe a new act of genocide was introduced specifically for the atrocities suffered by non combatants. So strictly speaking the acts commitment prior to the war were legal - these were not on trial.
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Grendel
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World War 2 History was my specialist subject -- however, I will now stop. On a side issue I am pleased to see many observed the lights out campaign.
lordsummerisle
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Was nothing put in place after the Armenian Genocide by the Turks during the First World War?
History is written by the victors, no doubt Churchill and Harris would have been hanged as war criminals if Germany had won the war, and nobody would have known about the Nazis crimes as they'd have alredy killed all those who would have complained.
lordsummerisle
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Warwick District Council seem to have been ahead of the curve on that one and been doing it for years!
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I especially like the way they leave the lights on where CCTV is placed.
So if it's dark, not only is it dark, but you know there's no CCTV!
shmmeee
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Is it worth pissing off 90% your fanbase and losing millions to save a couple of hundred thousand a season (that you might not make back considering the lost support)?
They've thrown, what £6m away if they do two seasons there, conservative estimate? That means that any deal has to be a least £1m/year better off for us to just break even over the next 6 years on this move. Add in legal costs and that time goes up further. And it'll probably be more like 3 years and the gains closer to £500k (unless our fanbase picks back up to where it was).
Is it worth all this for something that might not pay off for close to 20 years?
It's not about the club Nick.
It's extraordinary how ever since man came down from the trees, developed a front brain, wrote sublime poetry, music and literature that there are still those amongst us that have as much self awareness as a house brick.
Grendel
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I agree for once. Anyone who labels all fans of a club worms yet continues to post on its forum really must be stupid.
Frisky blue
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Frisky blue
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Another selective example, the UK were late comers into that particular enterprise ( slavery). The Tribal Africans, the Arabs and the Ottamans were trading slaves long before the UK. But then again, never let personal bias get in the way of facts.
and we should be comparing to the offer that was on the table when they left and not the original rent. While their actions with withholding rent was scummy it was effective up to a certain point. Otium will never make back the money it lost by choosing to go to northampton instead of staying at the Ricoh on a new deal imo.
I'm positive it will never pay off financially. The only way it can possibly work out in my opinion is the fantasy story of absence making the heart grow fonder and so when we return our crowds shoot up massively say 18k+ and we ride that wave back to the championship. Unfortunately I'm not even RFC believes that would happen. It's possible of course but really sisu would need to have gone I think for it to be a realistic scenario.
Frisky blue
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So you are saying that all this shit, sisu have dragged our club through, could "judged by some", possibly be a good move. I assume that the " some", are you and the other small band of deluded sisu sympathisers on this forum. The rest of us see it as it really is, a hedge fund trying to distress another company, in the hope that it will fail, then getting it for a bargain price. It has nothing to do with rent, when will you and the other sisu luvvies begin to understand this. The rent was in place when these sisu idiots took over, remember?
I really do not get some of you people, but then again, no, never mind.
Nick
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Have you read all of the posts before spouting off all of your SISU sympathiser shite?
Nick
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I agree, I personally think they are doing a shit job. I also think ACL and the FL could be doing better. Just because I say one side could do better doesn't mean I don't think the other side aren't shite as well.