3 Critical Days in the History of Coventry City (6 Viewers)

The 2nd half of the new week brings some critical deadlines that may determine the future of our club, particularly whether we return to the Ricoh.

By Friday 15th, Sisu have to decide whether to apply to the Court of Appeal for leave to appeal against the Judicial Review ruling by Mr Justice Hickinbottom, permission having previously been declined by the Judge. My guess is that this application will be made; however unlikely it may be that an Appeal would be successful, Sisu have no other route to making even a partial recovery of their investment unless they can overturn the earlier decision and consequently proceed with financially distressing ACL. Of course, ACL will not enter into discussions regarding a return to the Ricoh by CCFC while the threat of further litigation remains.

Thursday 14th is the final date for payment of £471K determined by the Football League as the sum to be paid to ACL by Otium regarding the rent arrears from 2012/13. It appears that both sides have accepted the League's ruling, the money is apparently in an Escrow account with Otium's solicitors, therefore there is no reason the money could not be paid tomorrow - or Friday of last week - it seems. But until it is handed over, this outstanding debt remains a hurdle to discussions between ACL and Otium. In the unlikely event of default by Otium, sanctions against the Club remain a possibility.

On Wednesday 13th Coventry City will play the first game at Sixfields this season, the Capital One Cup match against Cardiff City. To my view, there is no possible excuse why this match could not have been played at the Ricoh. Sisu could have accepted weeks ago that they don't stand any chance of winning an Appeal and dropped the hopeless, failed legal action. Otium should have realised that the claim to offset monies paid to ACL by Messrs McGinnity and Robinson under guarantee against the rent arrears was farcical and paid over a substantial proportion of the original debt (£590k) on account, pending the judgement of the Football League. The Football League could have dealt with this matter with a great deal more urgency - after all, the original deadline was 31st May, so why did it take 10 weeks after that date had passed for a decision to be made?

Coventry City Supporters have been totally LET DOWN by all of these parties - strictly, Sisu and Otium are separate entities although clearly the former exercises significant influence on the latter. Some argue that Sky Blues fans have also been LET DOWN by ACL / CCC; while I don't personally agree, I accept that these views are sincerely held by a significant minority. Certainly, if the two stumbling blocks to negotiations - the Appeal and the payment of £471k are removed - ACL would be letting us down if they don't enter into positive discussions to bring about a return to the Ricoh asap.

Because this is such a critical period for Coventry City Supporters, I would urge everyone who can get to Northampton on Wednesday night to be there, either on the Hill or in the ground, to join in the LET DOWN protest. Make our voices heard, let our signs be seen, tell those responsible that we have been LET DOWN. Vocally and visually the 'Fix Football' display at Bradford yesterday was very effective and was achieved with no advanced publicity. On Wednesday, Sky TV cameras will be at Sixfields and will broadcast our efforts, so that will have infinitely more impact. The joint protest with Cardiff City Supporters makes it an even more interesting story for Sky and other media. But of course it will only have the desired impact if large numbers of Supporters are prepared to make the effort to join in. The Sky Blue Trust are running a bus from Nuneaton and Coventry, so transport need not be a problem. Email: [email protected] to book a place.

3 Critical Days in the History of Coventry City: will you play your part or just be a spectator as history unfolds?
 

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ashbyjan

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Join the protest on Wednesday night at Sixfields - make those who can get us back to the Risoh aware that we demad they act and we are no LET DOWN again. Whether you go into Sixfields or stand on the hill please all unite and join the protest. Places still available on Trust coach - £5 return, leaving Nuneaton Bus Station at 6pm and Cov Baths at 6.30. To reserve a place email [email protected]

If you want the team back at the Ricoh join the protest
 

Noggin

New Member
I thought the trust had voted to stop protests till october, now you are organising a protest that involves going to northampton (and in most cases is going to involve giving money to sisu) no ty, the trust have chosen to play far too nicely with sisu for my liking.
 

percy

Member
i thought the idea was that we didnt want to travel to northampton under any circumstances. im voting with my feet
 

Hobo

Well-Known Member
Will be about 290miles away from Sixfields. But will be attending the Hill in the near future.
 

Flying Fokker

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Why go anywhere near Sixfields? Another protest at the Ricoh would make a bigger impact IMO. On the Cardiff date of course.

I hope this game is a killer for SISU. The less fans the better.
 

letsallsingtogether

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I thought the trust had voted to stop protests till october, now you are organising a protest that involves going to northampton (and in most cases is going to involve giving money to sisu) no ty, the trust have chosen to play far too nicely with sisu for my liking.

So the trust have played to softly for your liking so where have you been on all our non trust protests?

Shame for all the talk on here we have a hard core of maybe 6 supporters who are willing to have a go at sisu head on funny tho we are all members of the trust.
 

ashbyjan

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I thought the trust had voted to stop protests till october, now you are organising a protest that involves going to northampton (and in most cases is going to involve giving money to sisu) no ty, the trust have chosen to play far too nicely with sisu for my liking.

At the AGM a Trust member proposed a resolution which covered a call for a total boycott of matches at Sixfields, contacting sisu investors, pressuring the Football League and promoting the petition for an Independent Inquiry. In view of the possibility of negotiations about a return to Coventry he decided to defer it until the October Trust meeting. There was no vote about no protests.
 
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Jack Griffin

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playing my part by staying at home fortunately

I'll be in a pub with a TV showing the game with a few mates, probably the only time I will see CCFC play a match this season (except for the 50 or so mins of the Nuneaton washout which I went to)
 
I thought the trust had voted to stop protests till october, now you are organising a protest that involves going to northampton (and in most cases is going to involve giving money to sisu) no ty, the trust have chosen to play far too nicely with sisu for my liking.

i thought the idea was that we didnt want to travel to northampton under any circumstances. im voting with my feet

People can protest without giving a penny to Sisu by getting on the Hill - plenty have done so before, either regularly or for the odd game. I doubt that anyone who hasn't been to a Sixfields game so far is going to do anything different for this match, I certainly wouldn't ask them to. But it gives a chance to those who attend anyway to show unity behind the messages of 'Let Down' and 'bringCityhome'.

From a media perspective, people not attending has limited value, particularly after a whole season it is stale news. A significant number visibly and vocally protesting will have far greater impact.
 

Noggin

New Member
So the trust have played to softly for your liking so where have you been on all our non trust protests?

Shame for all the talk on here we have a hard core of maybe 6 supporters who are willing to have a go at sisu head on funny tho we are all members of the trust.

The non trust protests have been even worse, poorly organised, poorly advertised, the tiny groups of people that turned up for some of the protests while well intentioned just made it even less likely that other protests would succeed, when people see a protest of 15 people, they are just less likely to go and protest next time because they expect no one to be there.

sisu already know exactly what we think, sisu also don't care what we think.

I think a unified protest in sixfields is exactly what sisu want, a they get more people at sixfields, some of which may continue to come, b they get more money, c they are clearly quite happy with the "all sides are to blame" mantra.

if someone organises a proper protest, one that actually causes some inconvenience for sisu I'll work out a way to come.
 

Noggin

New Member
People can protest without giving a penny to Sisu by getting on the Hill - plenty have done so before, either regularly or for the odd game. I doubt that anyone who hasn't been to a Sixfields game so far is going to do anything different for this match, I certainly wouldn't ask them to. But it gives a chance to those who attend anyway to show unity behind the messages of 'Let Down' and 'bringCityhome'.

From a media perspective, people not attending has limited value, particularly after a whole season it is stale news. A significant number visibly and vocally protesting will have far greater impact.

the two bolded statements contradict, if you want the protest to go well you need people to do something different for this match. Joining the sixfield attendees that have shown no appetite to protest, at a "unified" ie it's all sides fault protest, at the place we are boycotting, is a big no from me sorry.
 
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Jack Griffin

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At the AGM a Trust member proposed a resolution which covered a call for a total boycott of matches at Sixfields, contacting sisu investors, pressuring the Football League and promoting the petition for an Independent Inquiry. In view of the possibility of negotiations about a return to Coventry he decided to defer it until the October Trust meeting. There was no vote about no protests.

So how are those 'possible' negotiations going?

Or to put it another way, how long will it take for you to realise you've been played good & proper.
 

Noggin

New Member
At the AGM a Trust member proposed a resolution which covered a call for a total boycott of matches at Sixfields, contacting sisu investors, pressuring the Football League and promoting the petition for an Independent Inquiry. In view of the possibility of negotiations about a return to Coventry he decided to defer it until the October Trust meeting. There was no vote about no protests.

kcic statement certainly suggested that they were stopping protests at the request of the trust, because the trust didn't believe it would be helpful after you had met Seppala.

https://www.facebook.com/KeepCovInC...8571966556656/681434878603696/?type=1&theater
 

Kingokings204

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People can protest without giving a penny to Sisu by getting on the Hill - plenty have done so before, either regularly or for the odd game. I doubt that anyone who hasn't been to a Sixfields game so far is going to do anything different for this match, I certainly wouldn't ask them to. But it gives a chance to those who attend anyway to show unity behind the messages of 'Let Down' and 'bringCityhome'.

From a media perspective, people not attending has limited value, particularly after a whole season it is stale news. A significant number visibly and vocally protesting will have far greater impact.

Or how about a completely empty stadia? Not one fan whilst you hear the managers bark their orders and a ghostly silence with no cheering or booing.

A game on sky sports with not 1 fan. Even far bigger IMO. The only voice we have is with our pockets. All the protests and marches are pointless I mean I love them but they don't achieve anything. I'm not saying an empty stadium would be better per se but money talks and people not going so empty stadia after empty stadium game after game and that's bigger and better and more likely would work.

(In no way am I slating a protest etc as I think 5k Cov fans on the hill would be great but I think staying at home and not spending will get rid of these idiots. Nopm has already shown to have an impact. If you think that's a false statement then check Sisu's last 3 statements.
 

percy

Member
People can protest without giving a penny to Sisu by getting on the Hill - plenty have done so before, either regularly or for the odd game. I doubt that anyone who hasn't been to a Sixfields game so far is going to do anything different for this match, I certainly wouldn't ask them to. But it gives a chance to those who attend anyway to show unity behind the messages of 'Let Down' and 'bringCityhome'.

From a media perspective
, people not attending has limited value, particularly after a whole season it is stale news. A significant number visibly and vocally protesting will have far greater impact.

from a media perspective not one coventry fan inside would be far more effective than a couple of hundred outside on the hill imo
 
the two bolded statements contradict, if you want the protest to go well you need people to do something different for this match. Joining the sixfield attendees that have shown no appetite to protest, at a "unified" ie it's all sides fault protest, at the place we are boycotting, is a big no from me sorry.

No contradiction at all. When I suggested that anyone who hasn't been to Sixfields won't do anything different, my meaning was that they still won't go in the ground. Coming on the Hill doesn't compromise the principle of NOPM or just simply not going in the ground because it is 'wrong'. You could have a significant number visibly and vocally protesting on the Hill, picked up by TV cameras, in addition to those who are going in the Ground anyway.

'Unified' doesn't = 'it's all sides fault', certainly not my view, though I accept that some still believe ACL have partial responsibility. The vast majority, even those who go inside Sixfields, want to get back to the Ricoh and feel that they have been Let Down by Sisu/Otium and the Football League. If anyone wants to include ACL/CCC in that category of blame, they are entitled to that opinion. We can though be unified on the points upon which we agree.
 
from a media perspective not one coventry fan inside would be far more effective than a couple of hundred outside on the hill imo

If that was achievable, I would agree. But we know it isn't going to happen. Even when anger towards Sisu was at it's greatest, there was still a hard-core of fans attending Sixfields. Even if they hate Sisu, they love the team more is the argument.

So we have to work with the 'art of the possible'. The ideal would be more on the Hill than in the Ground, making a significant noise that can be picked up on TV and Radio. But still enabling those in the Ground to join a common cause because, whatever our differences on whether we go or not, we all want Coventry back at the Ricoh and we have been Let Down by people that could make that happen.
 

ccfc92

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Don't go into Sixfields on this occasion.
Its on the telly, we have no chance of winning this cup and the biggest protest would be our absence.

This is the one too miss or go on the hill.

Many "need" to go to "support the lads"
 

chiefdave

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I'm hoping the money gets paid on time and we have no more rubbish about banking errors or anything like that. If SISU get that paid and the deadline for the appeal passes without an appeal being lodged we might finally have some light at the end of the tunnel. At that point we can start putting pressure on ACL and SISU to get a temporary deal done and get us back at the Ricoh ASAP.
 
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People can protest without giving a penny to Sisu by getting on the Hill - plenty have done so before, either regularly or for the odd game. I doubt that anyone who hasn't been to a Sixfields game so far is going to do anything different for this match, I certainly wouldn't ask them to. But it gives a chance to those who attend anyway to show unity behind the messages of 'Let Down' and 'bringCityhome'.

From a media perspective, people not attending has limited value, particularly after a whole season it is stale news. A significant number visibly and vocally protesting will have far greater impact.

FWIW, I agree (mostly ;) ) with this. I wish more would at least try an get a united front rather than try and split fans into categories.

It's also true that very few actually turn up and as for me... all I can say is I'll try ;) but work pressures may win out. We live in interesting times and all that...

I'd also be prepared to go in, help hold a banner or something, rather than bitching about people not doing it...
 
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Deleted member 5849

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Did I miss the report of the meeting with Seppala? Anyone got a link?

Now, I went to that Trust meeting, and it certainly wasn't that they were stopping protests because the trust had met Seppala. Those two statements are both true (well, in terms of the fact members of the trust had met Seppala), and were both said at that meeting... but it certainly wasn't cause and effect!
 

Broken Hearted Sky Blue

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from a media perspective not one coventry fan inside would be far more effective than a couple of hundred outside on the hill imo

Of course it would but thats not something we can influence is it what we can influence is the number on the hill,but thats not something thats going to happen is it? No what we're going to do is watch it on Sky that'll show them.
 
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Of course it would but thats not something we can influence is it what we can influence is the number on the hill,but thats not something thats going to happen is it? No what we're going to do is watch it on Sky that'll show them.

We could go on and on about what would be better from a media perspective.

After all, a full house all upping and leaving on 35 minutes would be better from a media perspective.

A full house all unveiling themselves as blood drinking lizard illuminati on 35 minutes would be even better than *that* from a media perspective.

No, you have to work within the realms of realism, probability, and what makes the point and keeps us together as fans rather than fragments us. FWIW not convinced Cardiff is the game to do it, not convinced there will be a massive attendance on the hill/many protesting in the ground etc. etc. and I really wish the Trust statement had been a little more careful with one or two words (they could have been, and got a 100% agreement on the basic principle).

However...

This is where we're at. Not convinced as I said this protest will work or be effective but... it's there, and it's close enough in message I can get behind it. Therefore, if I can, I have a responsibility to try and make it work despite my misgivings.

That's all *I* can do... but it'd be a lot better if a lot more did the same.
 

percy

Member
Of course it would but thats not something we can influence is it what we can influence is the number on the hill,but thats not something thats going to happen is it? No what we're going to do is watch it on Sky that'll show them.

it is something we can help influence tho if everyone stuck together and firm on it. im sticking by my morals thanks
 

Paxman II

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It seems to me that there is an element, indeed a real possibility we could be coming back to the Ricoh under a temporary deal of some kind. It's all a bit hush hush and as the OP suggested there are a couple of dates with obstacles to overcome that seem a forgone conclusion and then a deal seems likely.
So why all the 'protest' BS again? I'm sick of the suggestion. Get over it and simply support the message for once that both sides may have a coming together by the end of next week. Then if either side (Otium or ACL) want to refute or dispute any of it and continue with their indifference, then open the flood gates of protest and make sure it's aimed at the ones causing the indifference.
I'll hold my breath until then and I suggest all you do-gooders and protesters do the same. "Protest against SISU investors"...really? What planet are you on with this little crusade anyway?

Just wait and see what happens next. Sounds like we may have come full circle and both sides need to make some sort of deal. Here's hoping and I'll believe it when I see it.
 

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