mark82
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I'd think you weren't too far off.
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I'd think you weren't too far off.
Florence1898
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It's such a shame, as Pressley could have made a difference, problem being he must be as contaminated as the rest of Sisu, as no one can be that blind.
JulianDarbyFTW
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First off, I want to point out that I dislike Pressley. Have since day one, although at one point last season he did turn my head, the same way a plain girl can become attractive when the ladies she's with all look like rejects from the ugly pile.
Anyway, with that in mind, we can speculate all we want, but only he knows the truth of his position. Whether he has facts to hand that we are ignorant of, or whether he's just grinning and baring it, or even whether he's been lied to by any/everyone. We just don't know. So how we can defend him by saying that he has had to put up with X,Y or Z? In my job I sometimes have 2 choices, both of which are bad. Whichever one I choose is the wrong one according to someone higher up the chain. Genuine reasons for the end result are seen as excuses. I guess what I'm saying is that even with constraints in place I'm still expected to perform, and if I don't then regardless of the circumstances I'm the one held accountable. I don't understand why, when Pressley's results in 2014 are quite frankly awful, some people are trying to lay the blame at the feet of others. Even if SISU are making life difficult, he's been employed to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and so far, instead of skinning the pig, all he's managed to do is stick a finger up its arse.
Anyway, with that in mind, we can speculate all we want, but only he knows the truth of his position. Whether he has facts to hand that we are ignorant of, or whether he's just grinning and baring it, or even whether he's been lied to by any/everyone. We just don't know. So how we can defend him by saying that he has had to put up with X,Y or Z? In my job I sometimes have 2 choices, both of which are bad. Whichever one I choose is the wrong one according to someone higher up the chain. Genuine reasons for the end result are seen as excuses. I guess what I'm saying is that even with constraints in place I'm still expected to perform, and if I don't then regardless of the circumstances I'm the one held accountable. I don't understand why, when Pressley's results in 2014 are quite frankly awful, some people are trying to lay the blame at the feet of others. Even if SISU are making life difficult, he's been employed to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, and so far, instead of skinning the pig, all he's managed to do is stick a finger up its arse.
ccfc1234
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Sorry to say it but SP is not the great manager he thinks he might be, and I for one would be delighted to cash in on him. To explain my reasoning I think despite him having coaching abilities, his game management is very poor, look how many late goals we concede when we should be shutting up shop for a point.
The biggest concerns however is his and the should be fired Steve waggot's consistently dismal showings in the transfer market. We have signed so many players who have gone on to do nothing and be released its ridiculous.
Many managers in L1 have small budgets but get in decent players, while we seem to scout from out desks taking call from rubbish players lower league agents. SP does not seem to have those skills.
In conclusion we need a new director of football that is not a Joy Sapella sycophant and one that is more pro active in finding players and not those touted our way.
The biggest concerns however is his and the should be fired Steve waggot's consistently dismal showings in the transfer market. We have signed so many players who have gone on to do nothing and be released its ridiculous.
Many managers in L1 have small budgets but get in decent players, while we seem to scout from out desks taking call from rubbish players lower league agents. SP does not seem to have those skills.
In conclusion we need a new director of football that is not a Joy Sapella sycophant and one that is more pro active in finding players and not those touted our way.
bigfatronssba
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Not calling for SP's head or anything, but that 4 in 25 is very poor. Thorn was sacked with 5 in 25.
mrtrench
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An illusion is better than delusion.
delusion is better than death by hanging.
Terry Gibson's perm
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I agree with this apart from the last bit I don't think we will be spending much time out of the bottom four and they won't get the loans in to save them. This is a dreadful squad assembled by a total fool in Waggott, yes Pressley has been dealt a tough hand but he knew what he was getting at the start of the season and all he has done is watched the World cup and thought that 352 works well and then Waggott has dragged in the wrong type of players. I never wanted him at the start didn't want him in the middle and certainly don't want him now but knowing Sisu they would replace him with Waggott and bring in labo as director of football.
Hobo
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Yes the stats are poor, but stats need context.
Pressley has been working under budget cuts restraints.
Depth of squad weak.
Clarke sold
Followed by Wilson injury
Followed by Wilson sale
Moussa, Murphy, Adams, Christie sales all established if not key squad players.
I doubt whether he really chose to sell any of them except maybe Christie (head gone elsewhere).
He was scratching around for loans in desperation and had to take what he could. His reluctance about the loans market is well documented.
I think he still has a lot to learn, he is hardly experienced as a manager. But we have endured the failings of 'experienced' managers who were working in far more favourable conditions than Pressley.
Ultimately he will be judged on results, but let's give this set of players a chance to gel and not get too hung up on stats alone...a new season 1 defeat away from home and we scored 2.
fernandopartridge
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Good reasoned post
According to Pressley our budget was 4.2mill in the first year, we cut it to about 2 million last year and at that point we had an average league one budget. Now I didnt listen to the cwr forum the other day but it was posted that we said had cut the budget by 60% from last season (which sounds reasonable to me, we've gotten rid of multiple high wage players and cut our squad further), there is certainly no way we went from 2 to 1.7 so yes it seems likely we are just under a mill.
shmmeee
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Fair enough he's working with peanuts. But shouldn't that be even more reason to get rid considering he's probably the worst manager we've had in recent years in the transfer market?
He wasted the entire budget last season and no one has torn up any trees in pre-season.
If te likes of Tudgay and Johnson don't come off, frankly I'd cut the guy off from the transfer market.
A club our size can't afford a 1 in 6 success rate with signings. All those players we "let go" last season will have been paid off.
He wasted the entire budget last season and no one has torn up any trees in pre-season.
If te likes of Tudgay and Johnson don't come off, frankly I'd cut the guy off from the transfer market.
A club our size can't afford a 1 in 6 success rate with signings. All those players we "let go" last season will have been paid off.
chiefdave
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I find it hard to judge SP as there's too many unknowns.
He stated at the fans forum that all transfer decisions were down to him, which I find very hard to believe. I can see him saying lets get rid of Callum so we can sign 3 - 6 proven players who can get us promotion but why would he be OK with Wilson going and not getting the money to reinvest? He's even quoted in the CT today saying we need to sign a player like Wilson.
So despite what he says I think it's safe to assume he's having players sold from under him. Makes it very difficult, add in the huge turnover of players and how do you develop a team?
He's known for his dislike of the loan market yet we are reliant on it at the moment. That alone says to me he's not getting free reign and / or the budget he needs. Signings have been poor but who is identifying the targets. Is it down to SP or down to Waggot, to me it's not entirely clear who does what.
Tactically he's been OK, not setting the world on fire but not too many obvious poor choices. Of course if we have a wage budget as small as is believed you can debate how much is down to tactics and how much is simply down to not being able to afford good enough players.
The one thing I do think he can be criticised for is the constant late goals, that is something he should be able to stamp out. I get that players at this level will make individual stupid mistakes, if they didn't they would be playing at a higher level, but to concede so many late goals and for it to have been happening for so long is a worry for me.
I would like to see a change in his post match interviews. Its frustrating to see poor performances and then have him talk about positives all the time. He doesn't need to be having a go at the players all the time but a bit more honesty there would be welcome.
All in all I can't see any benefit in getting rid. We're not in a Thorn type situation (yet!) and you have to wonder if anyone coming in could do any better. Now if we move back to the Ricoh and he gets given a larger budget, we should really have one of the largest in this division, then he will be under pressure to get results and get promotion quickly. At the moment I think we're just in a holding pattern until the off the pitch side of things gets sorted. Not challenging but not really in danger of going down.
He stated at the fans forum that all transfer decisions were down to him, which I find very hard to believe. I can see him saying lets get rid of Callum so we can sign 3 - 6 proven players who can get us promotion but why would he be OK with Wilson going and not getting the money to reinvest? He's even quoted in the CT today saying we need to sign a player like Wilson.
So despite what he says I think it's safe to assume he's having players sold from under him. Makes it very difficult, add in the huge turnover of players and how do you develop a team?
He's known for his dislike of the loan market yet we are reliant on it at the moment. That alone says to me he's not getting free reign and / or the budget he needs. Signings have been poor but who is identifying the targets. Is it down to SP or down to Waggot, to me it's not entirely clear who does what.
Tactically he's been OK, not setting the world on fire but not too many obvious poor choices. Of course if we have a wage budget as small as is believed you can debate how much is down to tactics and how much is simply down to not being able to afford good enough players.
The one thing I do think he can be criticised for is the constant late goals, that is something he should be able to stamp out. I get that players at this level will make individual stupid mistakes, if they didn't they would be playing at a higher level, but to concede so many late goals and for it to have been happening for so long is a worry for me.
I would like to see a change in his post match interviews. Its frustrating to see poor performances and then have him talk about positives all the time. He doesn't need to be having a go at the players all the time but a bit more honesty there would be welcome.
All in all I can't see any benefit in getting rid. We're not in a Thorn type situation (yet!) and you have to wonder if anyone coming in could do any better. Now if we move back to the Ricoh and he gets given a larger budget, we should really have one of the largest in this division, then he will be under pressure to get results and get promotion quickly. At the moment I think we're just in a holding pattern until the off the pitch side of things gets sorted. Not challenging but not really in danger of going down.
SkyBlueScottie
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I personally can not understand why people think getting rid is the answer.
We need stability, whether its for the wrong reasons or not players are being promoted to the 1st team from the academy and development squad, we have got rid of all the "comfortable" pro's. There is now a clear standard of what a management team want and expect from the players, yes it will take time, given our circumstance at 6 fields it might even see us relegated, however I would still stick with Pressley as I think he deserves to bear the fruits of what may come from the Academy.
We need stability, whether its for the wrong reasons or not players are being promoted to the 1st team from the academy and development squad, we have got rid of all the "comfortable" pro's. There is now a clear standard of what a management team want and expect from the players, yes it will take time, given our circumstance at 6 fields it might even see us relegated, however I would still stick with Pressley as I think he deserves to bear the fruits of what may come from the Academy.
If the budget is anywhere near 1.5 million it's going to take a minor miracle to stay up. I'm currently on my phone so posting links is a pain but it's fairly easy to check out 12/13 spending (the most recent set of accounts). The likes of Walsall, Shrewsbury, Oldham, Colchester, Tranmere and Orient (they punch above their weight) tend to spend 2.2 - 2.5 million. That sort of budget would be average for league 2.
Grendel
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Yeovil got promoted on half that wage bill.
sky blue john
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If we have a budget of 1.5 million then that's as an example 15 players on 2k per week. Not much really.
Also with that size of budget its obvious SP didn't get any of the transfer money received.
Also with that size of budget its obvious SP didn't get any of the transfer money received.
ccfcway
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something wrong with football when our entire yearly club budget is less than what Shola Ameobi gets paid
Yeah, can't argue with that. It was somewhere around 800k. Last season their player and staff budget jumped to £4 million so it'll be interesting to see how much they have managed to get that trimmed down this time around. I can't imagine the club reasonably expected to survive more than a season in the championship.
sky blue john
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Man City won the premier league with probably a 2-300 million wage bill what's your point ?
Gosford Green
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This the worst CCFC team in living memory as CCFC is in the worst position off the pitch that CCFC or any club of our size could be in. Pressley did well last year with half decent squad. If we had not been in that shit hole we would have probably been up for promotion with or without the points deduction.
I think he gets on with Fisher who in turn appreciates that he sings from the SISU hymn sheet when needed.
I think he gets on with Fisher who in turn appreciates that he sings from the SISU hymn sheet when needed.
Grendel
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Fairly obvious even for you to figure out - low wage budgets do not necessarily mean promotion is not ruled out.
Where has it been stated that is the wage bill anyway?
sky blue john
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RFC is my secret source he knows everthing thats going on PUSB !
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Cba to go check but I'm pretty sure the telegraph said our budget would be slightly lower than last year around May/June time and I'm pretty sure whoever posted about a 60% cut misquoted.
If the budget is indeed less than a million then its comfortably a relegation budget but I seriously doubt it, players like Johnson, Pugh, O'Brien, Swanson, Tudgay will still be on fair wage, all were on championship wages last season.
letsallsingtogether
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His point is that really we should piss it as should every club that spends more Yeovil, just a lucky season for them as the following season shows.
everything is just overshadowed by the stadium situation, for me. we basically have zero home field advantage, which is a massive loss, and i think it a significant reason for why we had such a bad run at the end of last season. in important games, the 'away' teams at sixfields had more fans than we did. playing without a home field advantage is so detrimental, so it's hard to judge pressley in that context.
mark82
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The following season was in the championship so can't really compare. Yeovil were the exception though, most clubs with that budget are close to relegation. They just had the right manager in charge.
Regarding SP. He should get until Christmas unless we are in the relegation zone. Can anyone find how his record compares to other CCFC managers?
Grendel
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The following season wasn't in the same division.
mark82
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Pressleys spell at the Ricoh wasn't exactly good.
chiefdave
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SP definitely quoted a % cut in playing budget this year on the fans forum, can't remember what % of the top of my head but it should be on iplayer if anyone wants to verify.
again, i don't think you can judge him on that spell either. that season was as good as over when he took charge, wasn't it?
sky blue john
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I will judge SP on results and promotion with this squad would be impossible. Sisu have given him a budget to fail.
Avoiding relegation I believe will be a massive achievement and I would except that as a good result.
Good luck SP !
Avoiding relegation I believe will be a massive achievement and I would except that as a good result.
Good luck SP !
SkyBlueScottie
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It coincided with a points deduction, the loss of Clarke to injury it also allowed Pressley to take a watching brief and survey the club.
jimmyhillsfanclub
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Nah...Do what I do & get ahead of the game.....For instance, I already know that SP's replacement is shit....
SkyBlueScottie
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What do you get by changing managers so quickly? What did Robins to address the shortfall in the clubs staff, Pressley is on record by saying there was no scouting dept when he joined, we now have a manager who the players believe in what he is doing, has recruited staff for key areas. This stuff all takes time, we bring in somebody else, we have more staff members to pay off, different philosophies....