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dongonzalos

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Why Coventry City have only themselves to blame for missing out on a stake in the Ricoh Arena................

Wasps are in talks to buy a major stake in the Ricoh Arena and it's Coventry City's fault

The crowd at the floodlit Ricoh Arena
The proposed deal for Wasps to buy a controlling stake in the company that runs the Ricoh Arena has quickly dashed any hopes of a lasting peace between the owners of Coventry City and ACL.

Why did we think it would be any different?

When the Coventry Telegraph declared it was time to #bringCityhome we said that despite the bad blood between the two sides, everyone had to move on.

Of course not everyone did. Sisu are still pursuing the council in an expensive legal battle they have already comprehensively lost once and in which they have criticised by a judge for trying to “distress ACL’s financial position, with a view to driving down the value of ACL and thus the price of a share in it”.


And that’s the real problem here. After being subjected to a sustained legal and financial assault it can hardly be a revelation that Coventry City Council and the Alan Edwards Higgs Charity don’t fancy selling their ACL shares to Sisu and have decided to move on with another buyer.

When the Alan Edwards Higgs Charity bailed out the Sky Blues in 2003 and bought their half share in ACL they did so with the intention of selling it back. A formula was even agreed to fix the price.

Sisu and the charity did try to do a deal – with the consent of the council – in 2012 but it fell apart because, in the words of a judge , “neither party had any appetite to seek to pursue negotiations or seek to conclude such a deal.”

The club have wasted ELEVEN years in which they could and should have coughed up for a stake in the stadium they call home.

That ship looks to have sailed and instead they could now find themselves, at best, as tenants in their home city to a club from a different sport and a different part of the country who will churn up the pitch every other week during the season.

Good luck to Steven Pressley and the passing game he demands from the team. And good luck to Coventry Rugby Club, steadily and lovingly being rebuilt in the third tier of English rugby but now waiting for a top-flight side to land on their doorstep.

So what - or where - next for Coventry City?

The two-year deal agreed for the Ricoh return gives short-term security but we don’t know the detail of the two-year option that follows and the future is now far from certain.

They started talking about building a new stadium more than year ago but, despite promises from directors that they hoped to announce a site last September and then January, we still have no idea where that may be.

There has been a change in language from the club this year, with the message that the Sky Blues need to ‘own’ their own stadium - the word build, whether deliberately or not, seemingly dropped like an out-of-favour player.

Maybe, having bought a controlling stake in the Ricoh, Wasps will want to cash in by becoming partners with their tenants, or maybe they’ll want to up the rent.

There was a theory among some fans that if Sisu got their hands on the Ricoh they would have something to sell and those wanting them out of the club would get their way.

There isn’t a long queue of people wanting to buy a League One club that doesn’t own its own ground. Equally, if it’s not an attractive proposition for potential owners, how attractive will be it for Sisu’s investors (£40m lost and counting) if they lose their last-chance legal fight at the Court of Appeal?

That great night at the Ricoh on September 5 suddenly seems an awfully long time ago.
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
Low. .
 

Noggin

New Member

The CET's view is right imo. It doesn't mean that Wasps buying the Ricoh would be a good thing, it would not be, it would presumably be terrible for ccfc and crfc and we should all hope it doesn't happen, but acls position is completely understandable and it's completely sisus fault.
 

AndreasB

Well-Known Member
Why Coventry City have only themselves to blame for missing out on a stake in the Ricoh Arena................

Wasps are in talks to buy a major stake in the Ricoh Arena and it's Coventry City's fault

The crowd at the floodlit Ricoh Arena
The proposed deal for Wasps to buy a controlling stake in the company that runs the Ricoh Arena has quickly dashed any hopes of a lasting peace between the owners of Coventry City and ACL.

Why did we think it would be any different?

When the Coventry Telegraph declared it was time to #bringCityhome we said that despite the bad blood between the two sides, everyone had to move on.

Of course not everyone did. Sisu are still pursuing the council in an expensive legal battle they have already comprehensively lost once and in which they have criticised by a judge for trying to “distress ACL’s financial position, with a view to driving down the value of ACL and thus the price of a share in it”.


And that’s the real problem here. After being subjected to a sustained legal and financial assault it can hardly be a revelation that Coventry City Council and the Alan Edwards Higgs Charity don’t fancy selling their ACL shares to Sisu and have decided to move on with another buyer.

When the Alan Edwards Higgs Charity bailed out the Sky Blues in 2003 and bought their half share in ACL they did so with the intention of selling it back. A formula was even agreed to fix the price.

Sisu and the charity did try to do a deal – with the consent of the council – in 2012 but it fell apart because, in the words of a judge , “neither party had any appetite to seek to pursue negotiations or seek to conclude such a deal.”

The club have wasted ELEVEN years in which they could and should have coughed up for a stake in the stadium they call home.

That ship looks to have sailed and instead they could now find themselves, at best, as tenants in their home city to a club from a different sport and a different part of the country who will churn up the pitch every other week during the season.

Good luck to Steven Pressley and the passing game he demands from the team. And good luck to Coventry Rugby Club, steadily and lovingly being rebuilt in the third tier of English rugby but now waiting for a top-flight side to land on their doorstep.

So what - or where - next for Coventry City?

The two-year deal agreed for the Ricoh return gives short-term security but we don’t know the detail of the two-year option that follows and the future is now far from certain.

They started talking about building a new stadium more than year ago but, despite promises from directors that they hoped to announce a site last September and then January, we still have no idea where that may be.

There has been a change in language from the club this year, with the message that the Sky Blues need to ‘own’ their own stadium - the word build, whether deliberately or not, seemingly dropped like an out-of-favour player.

Maybe, having bought a controlling stake in the Ricoh, Wasps will want to cash in by becoming partners with their tenants, or maybe they’ll want to up the rent.

There was a theory among some fans that if Sisu got their hands on the Ricoh they would have something to sell and those wanting them out of the club would get their way.

There isn’t a long queue of people wanting to buy a League One club that doesn’t own its own ground. Equally, if it’s not an attractive proposition for potential owners, how attractive will be it for Sisu’s investors (£40m lost and counting) if they lose their last-chance legal fight at the Court of Appeal?

That great night at the Ricoh on September 5 suddenly seems an awfully long time ago.


Nice balanced piece. In no way are ACL to blame for trying to move in Wasps.
 

stupot07

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The club wasted 11 years lol


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shmmeee

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Nice balanced piece. In no way are ACL to blame for trying to move in Wasps.

When will you get this through your skull: other businesses don't have any moral imperative to help CCFC out. We're like a petulant child that complains when no-one want to play with them. You simply can't act like we have in the last few years and then go "But we're CCFC, we get special treatment.".

ACL wouldn't be moving anyone in if we were a secure tenant, we broke that security.
ACL wouldn't be moving anyone in if we owned half of them, we sold that half then ripped up the deal we had to buy it back.

Sorry, as much as it might grate you, that article is spot on.
 

sky blue john

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Obviously if it happens it wouldn't be good for CCFC. But its also not good for CCFC being owned bu Sisu.
Maybe Sisu got wind of this deal and it was one of the reasons they brought the club back ?
The part about some fans think if Sisu get the stadium they will sell up is comical. There is no evidence to support that if Sisu get the stadium they will sell !
 
When will you get this through your skull: other businesses don't have any moral imperative to help CCFC out. We're like a petulant child that complains when no-one want to play with them. You simply can't act like we have in the last few years and then go "But we're CCFC, we get special treatment.".

ACL wouldn't be moving anyone in if we were a secure tenant, we broke that security.
ACL wouldn't be moving anyone in if we owned half of them, we sold that half then ripped up the deal we had to buy it back.

Sorry, as much as it might grate you, that article is spot on.

I think AndreasB was implying just that? Why the dig?
 

AndreasB

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When will you get this through your skull: other businesses don't have any moral imperative to help CCFC out. We're like a petulant child that complains when no-one want to play with them. You simply can't act like we have in the last few years and then go "But we're CCFC, we get special treatment.".

ACL wouldn't be moving anyone in if we were a secure tenant, we broke that security.
ACL wouldn't be moving anyone in if we owned half of them, we sold that half then ripped up the deal we had to buy it back.

Sorry, as much as it might grate you, that article is spot on.


Oooh there is no end to your one sided view of the world is there? I thought ACL were this fantastically run business that didnt need an anchor sports tennant??
Turns out they are as greedy and petulant as SISU and this "proposal" is as provocative and daft as SISUs "proposal" to build a new ground. There is a symbiotic relationship between both sides and they know it. The only engame is a long term deal. Oh and Higgs can piss off too-pointless sleeping partners that continue to get in the way.
 

AndreasB

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Lol !!
I suppose they should have just sat on their hands leaving it an empty stadium, waiting on Sisu to bring the club back ?

Well actually they could have bulldozered the Ricoh and developed the land if they were really serious about not needing a sports franchise there.
 

Grendel

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When will you get this through your skull: other businesses don't have any moral imperative to help CCFC out. We're like a petulant child that complains when no-one want to play with them. You simply can't act like we have in the last few years and then go "But we're CCFC, we get special treatment.".

ACL wouldn't be moving anyone in if we were a secure tenant, we broke that security.
ACL wouldn't be moving anyone in if we owned half of them, we sold that half then ripped up the deal we had to buy it back.

Sorry, as much as it might grate you, that article is spot on.

ACL are making loads aren't they? I thought the stadium was an inconvenience - I thought weddings were the way to go now?
 

Ian1779

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More diatribe of how amazing ACL are....

Why don't we just fold CCFC, and restart with ACL Utd and then all the hero worshipping can be put to a more effective use.
 

duffer

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More diatribe of how amazing ACL are....

Why don't we just fold CCFC, and restart with ACL Utd and then all the hero worshipping can be put to a more effective use.

I can't see much hero-worship of ACL here, except in the eyes of those who seem to search for it in every post so that they can take umbrage.

Most people here seem to be saying that ACL are wrong to propose that Wasps move to the Ricoh.

However whilst the club are taking the line that their future is away from the Ricoh, it seems fairly obvious that ACL are going to look for other ways to build their business. I don't doubt the Council and Higgs would like to be clear of it all too. That's something that most people seem able to accept - it's hardly hero-worship!

The quick way through this is for the club to say to ACL that they are interested in the kind of deal that ACL are offering to Wasps. If they do that then the pressure is back squarely on ACL to do a deal with CCFC rather than Wasps. Whilst Fisher bangs on about building a new stadium though, that's unlikely to happen. It's hard to see that as ACL's fault, imho.
 

Ian1779

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CCFC is technically a business. However as it is a football club it has an emotive tie with it's fans, history, the city etc. No one is in dispute of that.

When ACL/CCC/Higgs bought into the club... whether they like it or not they also bought into that.
 

torchomatic

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Whereas our relationship with the Ricoh and ACL has brought us nothing but joy and prosperity.

I thought she was being sarcastic, giving her earlier posts.

I think SISU have dug a hole for themselves & this is likely to damage CCFC for many years to come.
 

spider_ricoh

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Oooh there is no end to your one sided view of the world is there? I thought ACL were this fantastically run business that didnt need an anchor sports tennant??
Turns out they are as greedy and petulant as SISU and this "proposal" is as provocative and daft as SISUs "proposal" to build a new ground. There is a symbiotic relationship between both sides and they know it. The only engame is a long term deal. Oh and Higgs can piss off too-pointless sleeping partners that continue to get in the way.

They're trying to secure the future of their business by working in partnership with a sports team - what's petulant about that? Do CCFC have a right to special treatment from ACL?
 

torchomatic

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Funny ain't it? ACL are doing what NTFC did 12 months ago. Pinching a sports team from another ground to make money. The difference is people defend ACL over it.

When will you get this through your skull: other businesses don't have any moral imperative to help CCFC out. We're like a petulant child that complains when no-one want to play with them. You simply can't act like we have in the last few years and then go "But we're CCFC, we get special treatment.".

ACL wouldn't be moving anyone in if we were a secure tenant, we broke that security.
ACL wouldn't be moving anyone in if we owned half of them, we sold that half then ripped up the deal we had to buy it back.

Sorry, as much as it might grate you, that article is spot on.
 

AndreasB

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I thought she was being sarcastic, giving her earlier posts.

I think SISU have dug a hole for themselves & this is likely to damage CCFC for many years to come.

They have yes. Whilst the Council/ACL/Higgs just continue to trundle along as though they are not anything else but a construct to support a Football Club. Both sides missing the fucking point of each other in a massive way still.
 

Evo1883

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I think sisu have been a disgrace over recent years , however i also think too many people on here are way too lenient on ACL and the council
 
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Jack Griffin

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They have yes. Whilst the Council/ACL/Higgs just continue to trundle along as though they are not anything else but a construct to support a Football Club. Both sides missing the fucking point of each other in a massive way still.

Indeed, they are still in a fight when they need to bloody well work together, but the golden opportunity afforded by the return to the Area is rapidly being squandered. It is a tragic situation.

Joy plays the zero sum game, winner takes all!
 

sky blue john

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CCFC is technically a business. However as it is a football club it has an emotive tie with it's fans, history, the city etc. No one is in dispute of that.

When ACL/CCC/Higgs bought into the club... whether they like it or not they also bought into that.

Trying to understand how much of CCFC Acl/ CCC / Higgs own as your comment implies ?
 

Rob S

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Yeah, screw the fans of another sports team who will have to travel miles to see 'home' games at another stadium. No hypocrisy there at all is there?

We're supposed to be enjoying the honeymoon period and focussing on football so why are the Cov Tel continuing to play the blame game over such a complex issue?

Nearly every single Cov fan wanted us to return to the Ricoh to rent and then get down to negotiating a lasting deal which would make the Ricoh the club's permanent home, so the editor seems to have totally misjudged the mood here.

Couple this with the utter hypocrisy of Bob Ainsworth's recent comments – any coincidence with the appearance of those and this editorial I wonder? – and you have to wonder what these people who say they want the best for the club and the City are really trying the achieve?

Time for unity between fans groups to put a stop to this and keep our our club in the stadium that was built for it. As ever, all sides in this dispute need to be held to account and we (Get Cov Back to the Ricoh) will be calling on Joy Seppala to be clear about her intentions and on ACL/CCC/Higgs to put the club first, whoever owns it.

And there was me enjoying a bit of a relax and being able to talk about football for a change...

...expect a press release & an open letter to the Cov Tel very soon. *sigh*
 

Evo1883

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Wether people like it or not , coventry council point blank refused to sell to SISU saying "hell would freeze over "before that happened , im not sure how coventry city missed the chance , as it appears there never was one
 

sky blue john

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Wether people like it or not , coventry council point blank refused to sell to SISU saying "hell would freeze over "before that happened , im not sure how coventry city missed the chance , as it appears there never was one

Lol !!
I think you will find that was for the freehold. Higgs share of Acl has always been available.
 

Evo1883

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Lol !!
I think you will find that was for the freehold. Higgs share of Acl has always been available.
Either way , they wont sell it to sisu , and isnt that the share of the stadium that is pretty much worth nothing in terms of revenue.
 

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