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"The [football] club is, for me, a bit of a sideshow."
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"The [football] club is, for me, a bit of a sideshow."
We don't know. The wording was "an opportunity" to be at the Ricoh in the future. There was no time length stated, implying that the future is more than 4 years. No mention of future terms re f&b etc.. We just don't know enough, but SISU have to get in there now if they want to be involved long time.
duffer
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Mate, you're not going to get any denial from me about TF being daft, but how long did the council actually give it to 'rebuild trust'. In reality, they were already talking to Wasps at the point that the Councillor made this statement.
How much trust did that show?
Rusty Trombone
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I wasn't pretending anything. I haven't suggested the Council have said anything other than you have. I'm just trying to make a small point that the contract could be broken despite what CCC or Wasps say, but the fact they say they won't break it is worth saying, whilst at the same time saying that it would be very very unlikely that they would want to break the contract anyway. I don't see the fuss.
I do think it's a rental deal, in the same way as other businesses turn up to hold an event and then have to clear off.
say, that Tim had reacted differently and said, let's start again. We'll drop the stadium and JR, go back to the 5,5 mil h.o.t. agreement plus a deal on the council loan. No more messing - either side. Let's go for commercial advantage for both sides. Long term lease, investment, business plan etc.. What can CCC offer us? Would CCC have got all 54 councillors to sign up for the Wasps deal if that were the case?
Grendel
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Hell would have freezed over before your lot would offer the club anything. Or have you forgotten that?
Hobo
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It is isn't it....is that why attendance is on its knees? Without SISU vs CCC I think interest would be even lower.
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Now there's a frightening thought!
the question was, would all 54 councillors have agreed to the Wasps deal at the vote? I think there would have been a good few that would have wanted further talks with CCFC first before signing the deal. Steve West etc. are not councillors.
Nick
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Surely we don't know as it was behind closed doors. Not to mention the fact that some of them sPeaking about it on twitter seem to know less about it than us, or are acting dumb.
Grendel
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I'm sure "Martcov" knows
No, we don't know what would have happened if SISU had showed interest and a constructive attitude after returning to the Ricoh. It would be a fair assumption though, that they would have had more chance to join in the bidding if they had shown that they wanted the Ricoh and were prepared to drop the JR and their stadium in return for a viable solution. Many councillors are CCFC fans and I think some would have asked for further talks ( can't prove it though ).
Broken Hearted Sky Blue
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Next time you see Mr Waggott ask him what length of contract was offered,what length of contract was asked for before the 2+2 was accepted,then ask him which organisation got Sisu to talk. Then ask why the council decided to sell to Wasps and if Sisus original length of contract offer might have something to do with it. Oh and by the way I'm totally against the sale to Wasps and feel that the council paniced.
Nick
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So you don't know either? For somebody saying they are too busy with work for ccfc football you seem to be putting a great shift in for the council.
I know that if you keep saying "new stadium" "JR" "encumbered freehold or nothing", you will not be offered a good deal. The proof? Wasps are sitting in the Ricoh where SISU have had 7 years to do something about getting at least a share in the stadium. Do you need more proof?
Nick
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So what's that got to do with anything anybody was talking about?
Christ, talk about trying to shift attention
I do get some free time, like now. Are CCFC playing in Kiel tonight? I might pop down if they are.
People were saying CCC should have offered the same deal as wasps. Iam just pointing out possible reasons why that didn't happen.
Nick
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No but they are playing in coventry tomorrow, you can listen and read about it on the internet.
I do, as you know. But I don't comment on performances as my information is second-hand and someone else's view point. Tomorrow afternoon I am working, but will check on here and other sites now and again.
lifelongcityfan
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and get to run the bankrupt organisation called ACL that Tim derided at the outset
Nick
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Is your information on the politics first hand then?
It is as first hand as yours and it is there to be verified or not. I cannot see the game and rely on you and others to inform me. Court cases and news articles are here in black and white to me as to you. We are equally informed or not informed.
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They might, maybe. They get far bigger for the seasons openers at Twickenham after all.
The danger will be if this happens the once, or even close to it, that it's used as evidence for the 'potential'...
Nick
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Will be all the councillors with free tickets and fresh out the packet wasps shirts.
I'm sure they might, not doubting that. Just a wafer thin response to having Wasps here....
32k v Crewe is a far more impressive stat and one to be proud of.
letsallsingtogether
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Are you being serious look what happened last time they helped a local sports club?
TBH it has given them nothing but grief.
They are right to stay away and let it go its own way.
dongonzalos
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Pretty much what I am saying. The owners of the club have repeatedly attacked the council.It seems they have done a deal honouring existing contracts.
Classed this as safeguarding the club, then wasted their hands of the people attempting to bash them in court, unfortunately
dongonzalos
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Not as interesting as Hinckley unfortunately
dongonzalos
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Nowt by the sounds of it. As you say, the contractual obligation was there anyway, so how on earth can they say this is a good deal for Coventry City?
do you really need that answering
I agree The safeguarding of CCFC has been put back in the hands of the owners of CCFC.
The owner of Rugby club seems happy
So that leaves you with the small matter of jobs and economy which would you choose
Reject wasps offer gamble on SISU
Accept wasps offer get what you have do for your job. Not reliant on SISU
Upset Cov and Wasps fans
Surely anyone as biased as you are for whatever train understands we Cov fans play second fiddle to the other 280,000 people
The majority on here seem to be saying CCC should have offered "the same deal" to SISU.
Now, if a condition of the Wasps negotiations was a Non-Disclosure Agreement, then telling SISU the exact terms that were being offered by Wasps surely would have breached the NDA and put CCC in an untenable position?
I seem to remember Ann Lucas saying months ago that CCC were moving on, and that they were looking to get another sporting franchise in. Well guess what, it looks like unlike some others she wasn't bluffing. If all this new stadium shtick is bluff then the only reasonable side to blame for SISU not getting ACL is SISU. if it isn't bluff then who could blame CCC for offloading the company when a realistic and fair offer was made by Wasps?
Now, if a condition of the Wasps negotiations was a Non-Disclosure Agreement, then telling SISU the exact terms that were being offered by Wasps surely would have breached the NDA and put CCC in an untenable position?
I seem to remember Ann Lucas saying months ago that CCC were moving on, and that they were looking to get another sporting franchise in. Well guess what, it looks like unlike some others she wasn't bluffing. If all this new stadium shtick is bluff then the only reasonable side to blame for SISU not getting ACL is SISU. if it isn't bluff then who could blame CCC for offloading the company when a realistic and fair offer was made by Wasps?
Frisky blue
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Wisdom?