Time to Go Sisu. (26 Viewers)

[Deleted member 5849]

Any businessman worth his salt would buy us up at what we are worth.

ointlaugh:

The only reason financial speculators own us is because the 'traditional' business model just doesn't work, especially with us and the outlay needed.

Surprised you're advocating us being owned by a faceless suit wanting to make money out of us, btw...

 

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[Deleted member 5849]

There is an organisation that maybe interested in the whole package after all they own the Ricoh?

That'd be me out, if that ever happened.

That's jumping from one disasteful, horrific organisation owning us to another... who have in fact demonstrated even worse traits, if that's possible!

Desperation shouldn't see us go for the one-night stand and wake up with herpes later on.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

So you believe we are getting value for money?
By the way It is too expensive in my view but yes like a twat I still pay it.

'SISU Out' has the same problems as 'Pressley Out'....

Who will replace SISU if they went. I seriously doubt anyone better will want to buy us.....

Any the notion that SISU leaving would result in an attendance boost is laughable. The floating City fans have proved time and time again they only have interest in City for the big games. We may get an increased attendance for one home game, but we'd be back to 7-10000 before you know it.

It is my firm belief that that SISU issue, while it is a major issue for a lot of the hardcore fans, they are still attending City matches. But for the floating fans it is just another in a long line of excuses not to get behind the team. As soon as we returned to the Ricoh the 'NOPM' stance changed to 'too expensive'......

While I'm on a rant, the crazed logic of a lot of city fans really pisses me off.... we demand Conference level ticket prices, in a stadium that we believe is Premier League standard, but we won't turn up until money is also invested in the team.... something doesn't add up there...!

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Not instantly, but they are the bigest part of the problem.

Always undeniable that ultimately, the whole failing of SISU was they came in, spent a bit on players in the hope of a quick promotion...

Didn't bother with the infrastructure of the club, which Robinson and co had dismantled.

But that's exactly why future owners need to bother with that infrastructure first. It'll take time, as well. There's no quick fix that works beyond a lucky roll of the dice, and personally I'd rather see owners as custodians.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Read the rest of my post it!!!
That part was a wind up you should know me by now..

That'd be me out, if that ever happened.

That's jumping from one disasteful, horrific organisation owning us to another... who have in fact demonstrated even worse traits, if that's possible!

Desperation shouldn't see us go for the one-night stand and wake up with herpes later on.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Read the rest of my post it!!!
That part was a wind up you should know me by now..

Some will take you seriously though:slap:

 

[WestEndAgro]

Nonsense, a lot of people refuse to buy a ticket while they remain.

I agree J G , I haven't heard a murrmer regarding anti SISU chants since we returned, so that would suggest there are many who have stopped attending, while SISU remain in charge ?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I agree J G , I haven't heard a murrmer regarding anti SISU chants since we returned, so that would suggest there are many who have stopped attending, while SISU remain in charge ?

Or everyone's just overdosed on protests and are worn out with it all!

 

[Travs]

Nonsense, a lot of people refuse to buy a ticket while they remain.

Just as they refused to buy a ticket when we left Highfield Road because "the Ricoh is half way to fucking Nuneaton"

Just as they refused to buy a ticket when we signed Marlon King.

Just as they now refuse to buy a ticket because "the team is shit and prices are too high"

There may be people who simply will not go while SISU are in charge, but to imply that they number thousands is ridiculous. The missing thousands won't be here regularly until we are back in the premier league, higher championship, which is where they believe we belong. And it doesn't matter who the owners are.....

 

[Deleted member 5849]

There may be people who simply will not go while SISU are in charge, but to imply that they number thousands is ridiculous. The missing thousands won't be here regularly until we are back in the premier league, higher championship, which is where they believe we belong. And it doesn't matter who the owners are.....

The two are linked to a degree though.

You're right, if we were winning the Champions' League nobody would care that SISU owned us.

But SISU haven't exactly shown a capability for improving the club either.

FWIW am not that fussed if we fall down a division or two... if in the meantime the owners build the club back up from the base. The only thing close to that our current owners do is maintain the youth academy... but there's not much spending on the club as a whole beyond a quick drawing of a random stadium somewhere maybe not even close to Coventry.

Doesn't exactly bode well...

 

[Travs]

So you believe we are getting value for money?
By the way It is too expensive in my view but yes like a twat I still pay it.

Certainly not value for money. However look at the stadium we are in, the division we are in, and comparable prices across the leagues, and we are about right for cost. The problem is all football is overpriced.

LAST I admire your passion for your club, even though I disagree with a lot you say. My post is not aimed at you. As I said, the hardcore fans are doing their bit, whatever their views on SISU/ticket prices/player investment.... the floating fans will use any excuse to not go until we are back in the premier league which is where they misguidedly believe we have a right to be.....

 

[MichaelCCFC]

You never know???
There is an organisation that maybe interested in the whole package after all they own the Ricoh?

Seriously their are some that would be interested if sisu walked away do a good deal on rent etcetera after all the Ricoh needs us so there is a way forward they have spent nothing they deserve nothing give it us back.

First of all you need the fans back on side to make a go at it Sisu will never get them back so they will never change anything except our standing in the league which while they are here can only get worse.
I maybe wrong in all this it is only an opinion but it looks clear cut to me as did the Northampton move as did the sale of the Ricoh all wrong, but so is sisu staying here wrong for our club.

It's been obvious for a long time that sisu are bad for ccfc and we will never make any progress with them as owners. But there is nothing whatsoever to suggest sisu will decide to walk away anytime soon. The only way to get them to go is through organised pressure. But who's going to do that? GBTTR? The Trust? We can all cross our fingers and wish sisu will go but without an organised campaign it's just wishful thinking tbh

 

[Limey]

SISU must go. But who the hell is going to want to buy a club with no ground?!? That is the real hammer blow.

We need some loon to buy out sisu and a share of wasps. Unless they want to build a new ground...

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

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[italiahorse]

ointlaugh:

The only reason financial speculators own us is because the 'traditional' business model just doesn't work, especially with us and the outlay needed.

Surprised you're advocating us being owned by a faceless suit wanting to make money out of us, btw...

What outlay? We are worth nothing with out the Ryton training ground.
Players on loan or obtained out of contract because nobody else wanted them. Backed up with 17 year olds with no experience.
Sisu should let us go at our real worth so we can rebuild.

 

[Nick]

Players on loan or obtained out of contract because nobody else wanted them. Backed up with 17 year olds with no experience.

Clarke and Wilson?

 

[italiahorse]

Just as they refused to buy a ticket when we left Highfield Road because "the Ricoh is half way to fucking Nuneaton"

Just as they refused to buy a ticket when we signed Marlon King.

Just as they now refuse to buy a ticket because "the team is shit and prices are too high"

There may be people who simply will not go while SISU are in charge, but to imply that they number thousands is ridiculous. The missing thousands won't be here regularly until we are back in the premier league, higher championship, which is where they believe we belong. And it doesn't matter who the owners are.....

With Football you need to think you are going somewhere, some aspire that their team could win the Premier League one day.
With these clowns we have no hope, no future and no aspirations.

 

[italiahorse]

Clarke and Wilson?

Who ?

 

[dongonzalos]

I thought going back to the Ricoh was the answer to everything?

It was the answer to a couple of problems.
8000-10000 fans instead of 1000.
More money for the club
Sponsorship and the ability to sign better players.

However I am sure you are aware it is not the answer and never will be to the main problem.

Unfortunately it was too late to fix the damage caused by the naive decision to move away.

Still there are a couple of things to do to try and rescue the situation.

Try to buy some share of ACL and buy Compass' bit, whilst agreeing
a long term cheap rent with access to revenues.

 

[Nick]

Who ?

The freebie we got and the untried youth player.

 

[MichaelCCFC]

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You've done way more than your fair share and getting sisu out can only be done with real organisation which in reality means it's got to happen through the Trust or it won't happen at all. If the vast majority agree sisu are bad for ccfc and we won't progress with them as owners then it seems a bit of a no brainer

 

[italiahorse]

The freebie we got and the untried youth player.

Not on the books so not included in the sale.
If it's any good it's gone ?

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

It still makes me laugh when I see people state that the club needs to 'own' the stadium to make it viable. It doesn't. It needs a decent rent level and access to matchday venues. The only reason to own the freehold is to load historical debts against the asset.

Can anyone tell me why the club needs the freehold? If not, can we cease this line? It's a red herring.

Look at the Liberty Stadium. Owned by Swansea City Council. Swansea City FC (tenants) - have achieved Premiership status since playing there, and announced a profit of £15.3m for the year ending May 31, 2013?!?!?

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

SISU must go. But who the hell is going to want to buy a club with no ground?!? That is the real hammer blow

People would buy Swansea. They only have a tenancy agreement. The fact our club is shockingly run is more of a problem than the lack of a freehold situation

 

[Deleted member 5849]

You#'re the first person on this thread to mention the freehold...

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

You#'re the first person on this thread to mention the freehold...

Do you mean apart from Torchy's 'Whilst I agree they should go. Who's going to "buy" us? There's nothing to "buy" is there? Thanks to the Council the chance of owning our own stadium is at least 250 years hence' or Limey's 'But who the hell is going to want to buy a club with no ground?!?'

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Given Wasps don't own the freehold either, and the 250 years is flagging that...

 

[skybluetony176]

SISU must go. But who the hell is going to want to buy a club with no ground?!? That is the real hammer blow

People would buy Swansea. They only have a tenancy agreement. The fact our club is shockingly run is more of a problem than the lack of a freehold situation

Somebody bought Forest not that long ago. I was only talking to a Forest fan yesterday who was telling me how they don't own their ground either.

Swansea's ownership model is the one we should be looking at as the way forward. The trust could take it on with someone like Joe Elliott in partnership. I know certain people will slate the idea but they need to stop, take a deap breath and then try and work out why it's a worse idea than sticking with SISU. Answers on a postcard please.

the one thing for certain is that our decline will only increase while SISU are at the helm, people should think about that first before writing off the alternatives.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

Given Wasps don't own the freehold either, and the 250 years is flagging that...

I don't understand the point you're making. Wasps have a lease and are seemingly happy with that. Swansea Football Club have a lease or tenancy agreement; and are seemingly making it work.

Neither 'own' the stadium. Yet people make a big thing about 'owing' the bricks and mortar; still following Labovich's mantra (CET) 'We have made it clear that no club can have a viable financial future unless it owns its own stadium. There is no prospect of us returning to the former landlord/tenant relationship'

 

[Deleted member 5849]

The point I'm making is why bring up freehold.

It's almost like you're looking for things that aren't there to beat people with...

Incidentally, Labovitch is also on quoted record as saying a long lease would do, so the freehold only mantra is so passe, and is only still propagated by posters on message boards.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

The point I'm making is why bring up freehold.

It's almost like you're looking for things that aren't there to beat people with...

Incidentally, Labovitch is also on quoted record as saying a long lease would do, so the freehold only mantra is so passe, and is only still propagated by posters on message boards.

Because people are stating that we are not viable without 'owning' the stadium. I didn't bring it up. Others have historically, and are still now. It needs to be dispelled as a myth. Are you being deliberately obstructive of late? With the greatest of respect....

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I didn't bring it up.

You have on this thread.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

You have on this thread.

I didn't. Other people bought up ownership. I addressed it - just as illustrated above. Has Grendel hacked your account? It's normally he who accuses people of things they haven't done to provoke a response that's not needed. You've successfully shifted the focus of the thread from a debate to a personal engagement around semantics though. Well done. Really, really, well done :claping hands:

 

[Deleted member 5849]

I didn't.

The only person on this thread to mention freehold (until me, in response) was you.

I have to ask about your agenda to do so. It's more destructive to do that than to actually engage in what's been said, more destructive to close off debate about ownership structures by implementing the freehold or nowt flawed mantra, then to consider 'ownership' as a fluid term... You are Italiahorse after all, aren't you.

 

[Mary_Mungo_Midge]

The only person on this thread to mention freehold (until me, in response) was you.

I have to ask about your agenda to do so. It's more destructive to do that than to actually engage in what's been said, more destructive to close off debate about ownership structures by implementing the freehold or nowt flawed mantra, then to consider 'ownership' as a fluid term... You are Italiahorse after all, aren't you.

Two people ahead of me mentioned 'owning' the stadium.

Twat