Why, in my humble opinion, SP is not the man to take this club forward. (2 Viewers)

ccfcmustang

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I just want to start this off by saying that I am glad that SP came to the club when he did and have a lot of respect for the man for the way he has dealt with unbelievably challenging times and the positivity he has tried to instill at the club. I genuinely believe he is a good manager but i think he might perform better at a club in the Premier League or maybe Championship. The way in which we play, or try to, is how teams at this years world cup tried to set up and now some other teams near the top of the footballing pyramid. To use the 3-5-2 formation successfully, you need quality players with a huge tactical nouse. We simply havent got this.

On the other hand from what ive saw and what ive read from Falkirk fans, SP seems to be a manager who works best under an extremely tight budget and testing, unstable times. He is what i would describe as a settler. He is very competent in stabalising a football club, and maximising what the club already has to its benefit. ie- youth players. As soon as there seems to be a light at the end of the tunnel, a glimmer of hope off the field, our form on it starts to decline.

Pressley came with the words which everybody wanted to hear, hes was going to change the club from the ground up, set up the best youth system about and instill a new mentality to everyone at the club. 'The Coventry Way'. Noone can argue that last season was a very good one for our young players, out to prove everybody wrong, enthusiastic for the challenge of starting the season on -10 points. That enthusiasm and that drive is probably what pulled us through (and Leon Clarke's goals too). Younger players play better under smaller amounts of pressure and lack of experiance plays a huge part in that. Pressley must know, as we all do, that CCFC is a selling club. Simple as that lets not pick any bones about that. Spo theres my first reason why he isnt the man to take us further. His philosophy will never actually work as CCFC is a stepping stone club for players to move on from. Callum had one good season for gods sake, and he has already been sold. He keeps banging on about Southampton but they actually held onto all of their young players during the climb to the Premier League and have reaped the benefits now. Some might say SISU wanted the money players are always going to go and thats true, so why didnt Pressley jump ship when he apparently had the job in the bag at Huddersfield?

This season i think he is completely out of his depth. The youth teams haven really got the same quality as they had a couple of years ago (Johnson Clarke Harris, Gael Birigirama, Callum Wilson, Jordan Clarke and many others). I beleive letting Gregor Rioch go was poor by the club. But Pressley hasnt been able to replace him sufficiently. But keeping to his philosophy he keeps bringing them through. Im not putting down the abaility of the players who are coming through this season but other than Maddison our league position tells us how good they really are. Out of the relegation zone on goal difference. Pressure of success has risen witht he return to the Ricoh and signings of Tudgay Jackson and co. He is out of his depth and doesnt really know what hes doing. I know in football you have to adapt, but changing playing 'the coventry way' the whole philosophy of the club and changing formation is just too much for our younger players. 3-5-2 is a very hard formation to master.

This league is brutal, you need big strong players who are going to win you the imporatant tackles and cause porblems for the opposition. And it has proved that with Johnson and Nouble he has signed players with them attributes. But i cant see why he hasnt clocked on to the fact that we need one in the middle of the park too. To me, it just seems clueless on his part. I understand that he wants to mould his young players into what he wants but that takes time, years infact and football just hasnt got the patience for that anymore. PLayers like Tudgay, Webster, Jackson and co (the more experienced players) dont lose confidence as easy and dont become poor overnight. I think that with their experience they know that what SP is trying to do will not breed success in the short term and can see right through him. On the other hand he is a youth team players dream first team coach.

I think that this year he has just lost his head. Reffering back to his philosophy, it was originally to bring players in to develop them and build a legacy here. This year he drafted in about 5 players on one year contracts? whats all that aboout? The only players who are on longer contracts are those who came through the academy. I dont think he himself knows what his philosophy is anymore.

My last reason is his tactical ability. When you are losingevery week and confidence is 'fragile' surely it is best practice to fill your team with as much experiecne as possible. Each player needs to look to the man next to him and believe that he knows what his job is, hes going to put his foot an and is experienced. Putting youngsetrs in the team actually damages them more than anything else because younbg lads that age will lose confidence and concentration during a game. Thats normal. He seems to stubborn to change a formation which clearly isnt working and hasnt got the assertiveness to send Allsopp back to bournemouth and draft someone else in.

So i suppose i leave you with a choice. We either hold onto Pressley, hope he can continue to develop our academy and produce good players in time whilst maininting mediocrocy on the pitch (and hope they arent sold by our money grabbing owners) or we can get him gone, get someone in who has managed here before had success in this league and knows exactly what we need to succeed.

Unfortunately Steven, in my opinion, football hasnt got the time to wait for this profecy you envisage

we need the job doing now
 

Evo1883

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I agree with alot of this , but disagree about the working best under tight budgets , i dont think he does , there are managers out there specifically tailored to this sort of position ... Tony pulis is the best example , you could even argue david moyes taking on an everton side with very little money and giving them european football so often .
gary johnson is the league 1 equivelant that pops to mind .
pressley took over a decent side from mark robins so it was hardly a suprise that over the first 12 months or so everything seemed a bit rosey on the field before eventually the squad was wittled down , now since he has been given the opportunity to bring in players he has completely failed to get players suitable to maintain good consistant form in league 1.
itake the job shaun derry is doing at notts county , they have spent absolutely nothing , he took over a side that were almost relegated and he made them physically hard to beat .
i think the club needs a man that has experience in this type of situation.

in regards to him doing well in the championship or maybe the prem , well if he is struggling tactically in league 1 , i doubt very much he would do a good job in these vastly superior divisions
 
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rupert_bear

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You mention Shaun Derry he has been tipped to go a long way in management I think he has teamed up with Greg Abbott who knows the lower leagues inside out, Cov kid too ! So the answer is simple get sisu out, then Pressley, pinch Derry and Abbott give them 2 seasons including this one to get us into the championship and then.....fuck it, alarm clock has just gone off !
 

Evo1883

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You mention Shaun Derry he has been tipped to go a long way in management I think he has teamed up with Greg Abbott who knows the lower leagues inside out, Cov kid too ! So the answer is simple get sisu out, then Pressley, pinch Derry and Abbott give them 2 seasons including this one to get us into the championship and then.....fuck it, alarm clock has just gone off !
Lol , we also needd to remember the english league are far more demanding than the scottish leagues , you will be found out if you are not up to much
 

stupot07

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Can we all stop banging on about Southampton - they didn't hold on to all of their youngsters, they sold Walcott, mcgoldrick and surman when relegated, then then sold ox on promotion from league one. They also had a lot of money to throw at transfers and wages in getting promoted from both leagues. Their wage bill in that promotion season was £29m, our turnover was only £10.5m.


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fernandopartridge

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You mention Shaun Derry he has been tipped to go a long way in management I think he has teamed up with Greg Abbott who knows the lower leagues inside out, Cov kid too ! So the answer is simple get sisu out, then Pressley, pinch Derry and Abbott give them 2 seasons including this one to get us into the championship and then.....fuck it, alarm clock has just gone off !
Did you not notice how shite Carlisle were last season?
 

fernandopartridge

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Can we all stop banging on about Southampton - they didn't hold on to all of their youngsters, they sold Walcott, mcgoldrick and surman when relegated, then then sold ox on promotion from league one. They also had a lot of money to throw at transfers and wages in getting promoted from both leagues. Their wage bill in that promotion season was £29m, our turnover was only £10.5m.


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They also averaged gates of at least double ours. We're not on the same level. We should now compare ourselves with the likes of Preston. The support isn't of the levels of our former peers.
 

shy_tall_knight

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Agree with a lot of that CCFC Mustang - can't talk about football philosophy and changing to the Coventry way when there is so much turmoil off the pitch and so many short term loans and 1 year contracts- developing youth - Chuba & Petraso - whilst he talks a good game we are drifting towards relegation, crowds are falling and so much reliant on the return of loan player Nouble and Reda -who has only averaged 20 games a season for the past 4 years.
 

Evo1883

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surely we give Pressly a proper chance though dont we? he has got his hands tied. we could make it up that league easily with Johnson and a couple of older heads on the field. Its mad sacking the best man for the job.
Thats the thing though , you are implying pressley is the best manager around that we could get with no evidence of this ridiculous claim
 

shy_tall_knight

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We all want SP to succeed, he has a refreshing manner, he is young, he seems determined with a vision but at the moment he seems lost based on the squad we think he has assembled but don't know how much Waggott has been involved.
 

Covstu

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But isnt this just how football is these days, avaerage tenure is around 14 months now, its a results business. Flick back to this time last year, SP was the messiah working miracles with our ten point deduction, flick back about 10 games ago and promotion was a shoein. If we win the next three games, the world is automatically a better place again.

We are in the shit no doubt about it and i agree he has borrowed poorly but i think changing the manager now would be suicide.
 

fernandopartridge

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But isnt this just how football is these days, avaerage tenure is around 14 months now, its a results business. Flick back to this time last year, SP was the messiah working miracles with our ten point deduction, flick back about 10 games ago and promotion was a shoein. If we win the next three games, the world is automatically a better place again.

We are in the shit no doubt about it and i agree he has borrowed poorly but i think changing the manager now would be suicide.
How many teams that change managers that often are successful?
 

torchomatic

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Is that the Greg Abbott who failed at Carlisle?

You mention Shaun Derry he has been tipped to go a long way in management I think he has teamed up with Greg Abbott who knows the lower leagues inside out, Cov kid too ! So the answer is simple get sisu out, then Pressley, pinch Derry and Abbott give them 2 seasons including this one to get us into the championship and then.....fuck it, alarm clock has just gone off !
 

Rusty Trombone

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I think we've got to give him a chance with a fully fit team, we started the season ok. If Webster and Willis could start heading the ball clear it would help a bit as well.
 

Skyblueweeman

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I agree with alot of this , but disagree about the working best under tight budgets , i dont think he does , there are managers out there specifically tailored to this sort of position ... Tony pulis is the best example , you could even argue david moyes taking on an everton side with very little money and giving them european football so often .
gary johnson is the league 1 equivelant that pops to mind .
pressley took over a decent side from mark robins so it was hardly a suprise that over the first 12 months or so everything seemed a bit rosey on the field before eventually the squad was wittled down , now since he has been given the opportunity to bring in players he has completely failed to get players suitable to maintain good consistant form in league 1.
itake the job shaun derry is doing at notts county , they have spent absolutely nothing , he took over a side that were almost relegated and he made them physically hard to beat .
i think the club needs a man that has experience in this type of situation.

in regards to him doing well in the championship or maybe the prem , well if he is struggling tactically in league 1 , i doubt very much he would do a good job in these vastly superior divisions

On this point, the reason Everton were percieved to have little money to buy players is that they were paying all the money to Moyes! When he was at Everton, he was the 11th best manager in world football! Imagine all the national mangers at the time like Capello, Klinnsmann, Del Bosque, Loww etc and how much money they were on, that doesn't leave many league managers to fill the top 10. I'm not making this up either...there was a whole piece of A.Durhams Talksport on it when he was manager.

Anyway, back on topic...things need to change within the club. I think SP 'could' be the right man for the job but his signings haven't been great (although the arguement is that he's working with peanuts) and I wish he'd drop the stubborness with the formation. I'd give him until December and then if we're bottom, it gives time for a new manager to come in and see what he's got over the busy Xmas period before making necessary changes in January.

Personally, I'm hoping SP turns things around.

WM
 

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