Rusty Trombone
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Enlighten us.
Wasps do have the veto (11 Viewers)
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Enlighten us.
torchomatic
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torchomatic
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MichaelCCFC
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With the utterly dire position we are in on and off the pitch you'd have thought sticking together and fighting for our club might be an idea but you just engage in petty point scoring, rehash the same old pointless arguments and insult fellow City fans. You may not mean to, but you sound like you're enjoying the current situation
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Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Why should I? I'm not being contrite here, but every fecker claims they know what's happening anyway - so my should I sit here and convince folk who have already made up their minds with the voices in their heads in any case? If I'm being honest, the football club was barely mentioned. It's all about egg-chasing
MichaelCCFC
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Sorry to say, Torch, but reading your posts makes me comment the same as with Grendel - With the utterly dire position we are in on and off the pitch you'd have thought sticking together and fighting for our club might be an idea but you just engage in petty point scoring, rehash the same old pointless arguments and insult fellow City fans. You may not mean to, but you sound like you're enjoying the current situation
MichaelCCFC
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torchomatic
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You do make me laugh, Michael. Quite rich after some of the stuff you've come out with. I'm sure you'll be copying and pasting that little spiel to a few others. Or maybe not.
covmark
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It's funny, you never seem to jump in when the likes of spider-ricoh are on here, declaring this situation a victory against Sisu.
Fans sticking together, my arse.
torchomatic
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What else matters, eh?
torchomatic
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Absolutely, hence my reply. I wonder if spider ricoh and italia will get the same treatment?
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MichaelCCFC
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Posters like you and Covmark are intent in pigeonholing me (and others). You don't seem to be able to cope with the idea I criticise sisu and I criticise the council and have been clear the wasps deal is a disaster for us - you may not mean it but you seem really happy now in being able to lay into the council (quite rightly) but not caring about the state ccfc is in or doing anything about it
Ian1779
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Michael you never said a word about the council until Wasps turned up.
Where was your looking at the bigger picture?
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Dai Young is meeting with Scott Morgan this week to start work on joint player development. Peter Rossborough was representing CRFC, and 44 of the other 46 local clubs also sent attendees or delegations.
At the moment, all local talent (Coventry, Warwickshire) is routed via Worcester, of course. This ends in 2016. After this, it's fair to expect Wasps to pitch hard for it - and I'd guess they'll be successful. At that point, it's fair to say all local talent, rather than going to Worcester, will stay in Coventry via the Wasps-Coventry partnership. In that regards, it's very much a positive, I guess.
Wasps have stated that their preferred slot will be Sundays at 2pm; and CRFC will be Saturday at 3pm; so no fixturing clash
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chiefdave
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So lets say that on day 1 that SISU took over the asking price for 50% or 100% of ACL was way too high.
What do you think would have happened if on day 1 SISU had said we need to own the ground to secure the future of the club and enable us to be competitive? They could have said the value we've been given is high, we are going to ask for an independent valuation and will make an offer based on that.
In my opinion, at that point, they would have had the full support of the vast majority of the fanbase and there would have been a lot of pressure on CCC and Higgs to at least justify the asking price.
The longer they left it the harder it became to unite the fans behind them. By the time they were messing about with rent strikes and buggering off to Northampton it was practically impossible to get behind them. Whatever way I look at it, and however badly every other side has behaved - and theres been some poor behaviour on all sides to say the least, I keep coming back to the way SISU have handled the whole situation.
Even right before the vote they could have come out and said we need to own ACL, this needs to be stopped. After all that has happened even then I think they would have got a decent amount of support for that but instead we just got no problem, new ground etc etc.
What do you think would have happened if on day 1 SISU had said we need to own the ground to secure the future of the club and enable us to be competitive? They could have said the value we've been given is high, we are going to ask for an independent valuation and will make an offer based on that.
In my opinion, at that point, they would have had the full support of the vast majority of the fanbase and there would have been a lot of pressure on CCC and Higgs to at least justify the asking price.
The longer they left it the harder it became to unite the fans behind them. By the time they were messing about with rent strikes and buggering off to Northampton it was practically impossible to get behind them. Whatever way I look at it, and however badly every other side has behaved - and theres been some poor behaviour on all sides to say the least, I keep coming back to the way SISU have handled the whole situation.
Even right before the vote they could have come out and said we need to own ACL, this needs to be stopped. After all that has happened even then I think they would have got a decent amount of support for that but instead we just got no problem, new ground etc etc.
torchomatic
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Totally inaccurate. The opposite is true. CCFC is all I care about. Dont give a shit about sisu, acl, wasps, ccc, higgs.
Thats why i've always wanted us to get a share of the ricoh. I've not seen you criticise the council before.
Thats why i've always wanted us to get a share of the ricoh. I've not seen you criticise the council before.
MichaelCCFC
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Errrr...you'll find plenty of stuff from me going back to 2012 questioning why acl never made a profit net of ccfc rent, questioning the council's motives, arguing neither sisu nor ccc care about ccfc or the fans. I don't share your blinkered view so you have to make stuff up. So the same question goes for you - what are you going to do to fight for CCFC?
Brighton Sky Blue
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Be under no illusions though that CRFC is intended to permanently be the small relation of Wasps. Exporting the city's best prospects to clubs not based there or clubs imported from elsewhere.
MichaelCCFC
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Errrr...you'll find plenty of stuff from me going back to 2012 questioning why acl never made a profit net of ccfc rent, questioning the council's motives, arguing neither sisu nor ccc care about ccfc or the fans. I don't share your blinkered view so you have to make stuff up. But the key question for you is what are you going to do to fight for CCFC?
torchomatic
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I'm more interested in what Lucas said. The gurantees tgat us and the rugby club will not suffer because ofvthe franchise.
MichaelCCFC
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MMM's interpretation is ludicrous.
Mary_Mungo_Midge
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Nearly all about chasing eggs. In fairness, it was all cabbage-heads there, so no real reason to address the round ball.
Training will move up here in 2016 and stay in West London until then; they're looking at sites to build with the council now. Got me wondering at to whether it might be Ryton if Fisher's My Little Pony Stadium has a training pitch on one of the clouds that can be used on the days the unicorns aren't using it......
Brighton Sky Blue
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SISU temporary, CCFC permanent. Shame the council couldn't see it that way. Shady businessmen representing London Wasps though, nowt wrong with them...if only we had negotiated for this years ago instead of jumping to Plan B of who can bankrupt who first.
Moff
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Whilst I commend Nick Eastwood for trying to engage the local Rugby community, I still feel its like the big boys entertaining the local yokels, as its something they feel they have to do, just another tick in a box.
Whether that is the case or not, I hope they fail badly. We already have local Rugby teams in the area, who have long been established, without some London club muscling in for a piece of the action. Many may disagree but I really would love to see them fail, and do a double deal and bugger off with SISU.
covmark
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Who's happy, really? The ones who are happy are spider-ricoh et al. Not me that's for sure.
I thought it was worth pointing out that you're all too quick to jump on a grendel or torch post. Less so for anyone else. Why is that?
cloughie
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Perhaps you should read more posts ........but that would be difficult considering the amount of hot air you spout
torchomatic
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You seem to forget that you broadcast your blinkered view with your regular KCiC mailings. And i still don't recall any criticism of the council.
Brighton Sky Blue
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Inclined to agree. Cov Rugby being set up to be Wasps' feeder club with Wasps owning a far bigger stadium makes it unlikely that the former will scale any significant heights and even if it somehow does Wasps own the biggest and best ground in the city. The council's contempt for its own city's sports clubs is astonishing.
covmark
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Couldn't agree more. Fingers crossed, they go to the wall.
Ian1779
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2012? Before the dispute even began... right then.
As for what I am going to do to fight for CCFC - I'll do what most fans should do in my opinion. I will go to every game I can, I will support my club irrespective of owner, manager, players or league we ply our trade in.
If we have to build a new ground and we do - I will go. I won't hide behind any excuses about location or owner or anything else. I won't bang on about how long i've supported CCFC for as if it gives me some hereditary right to consider myself a more superior supporter.
Whether you percieve that as being a good fan or not is of no concern to me. People might pander to your bullshit but I won't. I respect your commitment to CCFC but seriously disagree with your motive and agenda.
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Mary_Mungo_Midge
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The plan is for Wasps to be one of the biggest players in European rugby. CRFC and third-tier. In footballing terms, that would be like comparing Chelsea with Bristol City. Yes, Coventry would always be the smaller relation in the relationship; but to pretend anything other than that is the case would be to defy logic. But wasn't that also the case when Worcester set up an academy in Coventry to syphon off best young talent, and nobody said a word?