Luke McCormick / Ched Evans (4 Viewers)

Skyblueweeman

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Just wondering if McCormick got any stick last night at the game?

Interesting to see all the stuff about Ched Evans in the press yesterday yet someone responsible for murder has seemingly slipped back into professional football without as much fanfare...

WM
 

Nick

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He was bood every time he had the ball, they sang only one luke mccormick in return
 

The Lurker

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we did sing you support you support.... you support a murderer!!

saying that i seen Luke's dad at the game. must have been horrible for him. being a massive city fan too

same will happen to ched evans. once he carries on playing, the public outcry will fizzle away
 

Earlsdon-Loyal-Blue

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He got a fair bit of stick from the scoreboard corner. Nothing to the level of when Hughes returned to play against us.

I agree he's had a fairly quiet level of stick but only because on his return he was playing in lower leagues with little Media attention. Got a lot in local press on joining whoever it was before Plymouth. Evans on the other hand was a 35 goal a season striker for a big-ish club in a massive city, who has featured on tabloids consistently before during and after his jail time. The case was controversial against him along with the outcome, suppose that's why it's took far more public discussion than McCormick
 

hill83

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He was convicted of causing death by dangerous driving. Not murder. Not condoning it in anyway but why do people choose to ignore facts.

Side note Marlon King wasn't a rapist.
 

torchomatic

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Worse for the father and mother of the kids he killed I would have thought. But get your point, not his Dad's fault

we did sing you support you support.... you support a murderer!!

saying that i seen Luke's dad at the game. must have been horrible for him. being a massive city fan too

same will happen to ched evans. once he carries on playing, the public outcry will fizzle away
 

Skyblueweeman

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He was convicted of causing death by dangerous driving. Not murder. Not condoning it in anyway but why do people choose to ignore facts.

Side note Marlon King wasn't a rapist.

He still killed two people did he not?? So the technical term might not be murder but he still killed two people.

Missing the point of the thread....
 

hill83

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He still killed two people did he not?? So the technical term might not be murder but he still killed two people.

Missing the point of the thread....

I haven't missed the point of the thread I'm just not interested in it when it has basic mistakes in it.

Edit: Not interested is a bit strong. But it needed pointing out as the whole premise of the thread is why has a 'murderer' got away with minimal chants etc.
 
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Skyblueweeman

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I haven't missed the point of the thread I'm just not interested in it when it has basic mistakes in it.

Why comment then if you're not interested?

Anyway, I got the charge incorrect...the premise of the thread doesn't change.

Edit: Just saw your edit.
 
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Astute

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One did have a much worse ending than the other. But although through what he did he was fully at fault for the accident he didn't mean to kill anyone. The other meant to have sex with the woman involved. And now not with the slightest remorse for the woman. He is protesting as loud as he can. So the media will keep up with stories on the event.
 

rupert_bear

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An awful case McCormacks leaving two kiddies dead and their father maimed for life,but where do you draw the line on employment once he has completed his sentence or do we say you can work but not as a footballer but if you do you can't earn the going rate which for a professional footballer is a lot more than a factory hand or bin man for example, or do we say he shouldn't get a job full stop. Do other professional people such as surgeons, doctors MPs,etc or what about nurses with similar convictions stay do theyon the dole ?
 
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Senior Vick from Alicante

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You cant stop a footballer from playing the game that provides his living, however distasteful his crime may have been, unless he has a link to gambling and throwing matches. Players know they are going to get stick from opposing fans, its part and parcel of the game. Evans is different from the norm as he has consistently denied the rape and showed no remorse, his version of events are that it was consensual, he has a right to appeal which means why would you show remorse if you think you have been done a wrong. If he gets his name cleared then where do all these people stand as they have publically pilloried him. The morality of people that play sport in general has to be squeaky clean as in general they are held up to be role models, currently the House of Commons employs 600 people. 29 have been accused of spouse abuse, 7 have been arrested for fraud, 17 have directly or indirectly bankrupted businesses, 3 have served time for assault, 71 have bad credit, 14 have been arrested on drugs related charges, 8 have shoplifted, 21 are currently defendants in law suits, 84 have been arrested in the last year for drink driving. You only have to scratch the surface and every one has something to hide, but just because your in the public eye does not mean you don't have a right to make a living.
 

hill83

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i had no idea he was playing. scum bag

much worse than ched evans

So every single person you know that has drank alcohol then driven a car, and let's be honest we all know someone that does it or has done it, is worse than a rapist?

There is no excuse for drink driving. At all. Anyone that does it runs the risk of killing someone.
But a cheeky bit of rape? Fill your boots lad.
 

hill83

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If he genuinely feels it wasn't rape you are right, why would he show remorse.
 

rupert_bear

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We all drive cars, or most of us do and anytime we do something can happen that could change our lives forever, driving whilst on a mobile for example should you be in a fatal while doing that you are likely to get sent down, how many do we see doing that, loads everyday. I think that is what McCormick was doing, can't remember if he had been drinking or not. He got 7 years which is a fair old stretch but of course doesn't bring the victims back. Again I ask where do we draw the line.
 

mattylad

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I was really dissapointed last night with this but wasn't suprised considering its mainly kids who know no better. For me there is a big difference between McCormick and Evans. Evans refuses to accept any guilt even though convicted (yes it might be turned over at appeal but we can only deal with where he is now) McCormick however pleaded guilty, did his time and on coming out stated that he could never make up for what he has done but would just try and spend the rest of his life being the best person he could be. Yes the crimes differ but I know who I feel more tolerence towards.
 

mattylad

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We all drive cars, or most of us do and anytime we do something can happen that could change our lives forever, driving whilst on a mobile for example should you be in a fatal while doing that you are likely to get sent down, how many do we see doing that, loads everyday. I think that is what McCormick was doing, can't remember if he had been drinking or not. He got 7 years which is a fair old stretch but of course doesn't bring the victims back. Again I ask where do we draw the line.
He had been to a party and although had stopped drinking a few hours before he drove he had not slept and was over the limit.
 

torchomatic

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Yes, he had been drinking. Twice over the legal limit. Anyone can have an accident but drink driving....he's scum and deserves all the abuse he gets. I can't imagine how the parents of those poor children feel.
 

mattylad

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Well if he was twice over the limit he was lucky to get only 7 years
twice over the limit is three pints of Stella or two double spirits or a large glass and a half of 14% wine. Pretty certain he had drunk far more than that because he didn't get in the car straight away but again its scale of offence. He got 7 years at a time when the maximum was 10...now its 15 and rightly so.
 
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wal3590

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I would have hoped Plymouth decided against playing him to be honest, could not have been easy for the father to watch his sons killer.
 

mattylad

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Wait, the father isn't a Cov fan. They were from Manchester weren't they?
Yes they were heading back up the M6 when he ran into the back of their car pushing it off the motorway (I think it was precluded he had fell asleep but it could not be proved)

Its McCormick and family that are/were Coventry fans.
 

Paxman II

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Guilty in a court of law and a custodial sentence has been served for his crime. Now he is a free man again as you and I are and should be fully entitled to make a living. Period.

You don't have to like the man, support the man or agree with the man but you must respect the laws of the land.
Personal indifference has no place in this argument. That's why we have laws and a due process.
 

Samo

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Guilty in a court of law and a custodial sentence has been served for his crime. Now he is a free man again as you and I are and should be fully entitled to make a living. Period.

You don't have to like the man, support the man or agree with the man but you must respect the laws of the land.
Personal indifference has no place in this argument. That's why we have laws and a due process.

But its not as cut and dried as that in reality is it? Although the outcome was worse in the LM case, the CE case was an act of aggression/abuse while the LM case was a consequence of illegal irresponsibility but not malice. People will interpret things emotionally, not via a law book.
 

Paxman II

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But its not as cut and dried as that in reality is it? Although the outcome was worse in the LM case, the CE case was an act of aggression/abuse while the LM case was a consequence of illegal irresponsibility but not malice. People will interpret things emotionally, not via a law book.

I'm afraid it is that cut and dried yes. Abide by the laws of state not make up your own moral high ground. If you did that we would have chaos.
 

Samo

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I'm afraid it is that cut and dried yes. Abide by the laws of state not make up your own moral high ground. If you did that we would have chaos.

Not one for imaginative thinking then Pax? Everyone has their own moral code, often regardless of the law. And the law itself changes constantly as new precedents are set and bills are passed. It really isn't as rigid as you'd clearly prefer it.
 

lordsummerisle

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Got done myself for drink driving a few years ago, had a bit of a drink problem at the time,bit of a drinking culture at work too,used to finish work,straight down the pub, have an absolute skinfull, then drive home.

Did it for years, and got away with it for years too, just lucky that never hurt or killed anybody.

Pulled over 5 minutes from home one Friday night, because had turned an extra notch on my lights and had my fog lights on, as soon as the blue lights came on behind me, knew I was a gonner.

18 month ban, and £600 quid fine, had 68, just under twice over the limit, which was a surprise as must have had 7 or 8 pints of 1664 that night.

Did a Drink Driving Awareness Course, to knock 3 months off my ban, and that was an eye-opener!

The limit is 5 units at the moment, a pemium lager(Stella, 1664, Peroni etc, 5%) is 3 units.

You lose one unit per hour, so you don't need many to be over.

Apparently metabolism, build, etc, dosn't make a difference to the reading, just maybe the ability to "handle" the alcohol, I used to be able to drink a lot without noticeably feeling any effects, but don't let being "able to handle your beer", fool you into thinking you're okay, because you're not.

Had to list how much we would drink in an average week, and scarily i was doing 240 units a week, and barely drank at weekends, ended up in intensive care for a week in Majorca with acute pancreatitis due to it, about an hour away from dying apprently, had the same symptoms as a heart attack.

Luckily a good doctor treated the correct symptoms, and i survived to annoy people on CCFC websites.

With people like McCormick, feel "There but for the Grace of God", feel terribly for the victims family, and don't really know what I would have done if It had been me in the same situation.
 

Samo

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Got done myself for drink driving a few years ago, had a bit of a drink problem at the time,bit of a drinking culture at work too,used to finish work,straight down the pub, have an absolute skinfull, then drive home.

Did it for years, and got away with it for years too, just lucky that never hurt or killed anybody.

Pulled over 5 minutes from home one Friday night, because had turned an extra notch on my lights and had my fog lights on, as soon as the blue lights came on behind me, knew I was a gonner.

18 month ban, and £600 quid fine, had 68, just under twice over the limit, which was a surprise as must have had 7 or 8 pints of 1664 that night.

Did a Drink Driving Awareness Course, to knock 3 months off my ban, and that was an eye-opener!

The limit is 5 units at the moment, a pemium lager(Stella, 1664, Peroni etc, 5%) is 3 units.

You lose one unit per hour, so you don't need many to be over.

Apparently metabolism, build, etc, dosn't make a difference to the reading, just maybe the ability to "handle" the alcohol, I used to be able to drink a lot without noticeably feeling any effects, but don't let being "able to handle your beer", fool you into thinking you're okay, because you're not.

Had to list how much we would drink in an average week, and scarily i was doing 240 units a week, and barely drank at weekends, ended up in intensive care for a week in Majorca with acute pancreatitis due to it, about an hour away from dying apprently, had the same symptoms as a heart attack.

Luckily a good doctor treated the correct symptoms, and i survived to annoy people on CCFC websites.

With people like McCormick, feel "There but for the Grace of God", feel terribly for the victims family, and don't really know what I would have done if It had been me in the same situation.

That is remarkably honest and open of you Lord, especially considering some of the vitriol in other posts.
 

lordsummerisle

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That is remarkably honest and open of you Lord, especially considering some of the vitriol in other posts.

Thanks Samo, posted the same on GMK a few years ago when the McCormick case was being mentioned then, a lot of vitriol at that time too.
 

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