Luke McCormick / Ched Evans (4 Viewers)

[covcity4life]

So every single person you know that has drank alcohol then driven a car, and let's be honest we all know someone that does it or has done it, is worse than a rapist?

There is no excuse for drink driving. At all. Anyone that does it runs the risk of killing someone.
But a cheeky bit of rape? Fill your boots lad.

yup everyone who drinks and drives wether they hit someone or not is a scumbag, its no different to rape. just because you know asseholes who drink and drive dont make it acceptable.

the reason i said hes worse than ched is because from reading reports on that case it dont look like he actually did it. nothing to do with whats "better" out of the two. its not a game.

 

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[skybluetom]

Really? I keep hearing this and don't get it. I listened to his girlfriend on 5Live one day and thought I'd have a read of his website which to me despite being obviously heavily biased in his favour convinced me of his guilt. The site itself states that the first time he saw the girl she was collapsed on the floor of a takeaway. Maybe I have a higher so called 'moral code' than others but if I saw a girl on the floor of takeaway I'd quite quickly conclude she was in no shape to consent to sex.

 

[covcity4life]

Really? I keep hearing this and don't get it. I listened to his girlfriend on 5Live one day and thought I'd have a read of his website which to me despite being obviously heavily biased in his favour convinced me of his guilt. The site itself states that the first time he saw the girl she was collapsed on the floor of a takeaway. Maybe I have a higher so called 'moral code' than others but if I saw a girl on the floor of takeaway I'd quite quickly conclude she was in no shape to consent to sex.

i doubt he was sober though, just seems like 2 drunk idiots.

if im wrong i am wrong. its not a nice situation at all.

 

[RoboCCFC90]

McCormick did get stick from Block 15 every time he touched the ball, that was expected.


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[Deleted member 4439]

I don't get why there's been so much publicity over the Evans case though when surely McCormicks is worse??

Putting aside whether the CE verdict was safe or not, one of the acts was unintentional, the other, intentional. It's a moot question as how much of a jail sentence should reflect consequences and how much should reflect intentions.

 

[wingy]

SEE Jessica Ennis has asked for her name to be removed from the Stand @ the stadium should he be Signed up.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

SEE Jessica Ennis has asked for her name to be removed from the Stand @ the stadium should he be Signed up.

There kit sponsor has also threatened to pull the plug on there deal as well.

 

[Qwerty70]

Sponsors won't want to be associated with the controversy and potentially alienate a lot of customers.
The Evans case is a snapshot on the world of some modern footballers, money, fame and hangers on create a cockiness and a I can do what I like attitude, very unlikeable individuals.
Some young players seem to be able to rise above it, Jay Tabb and Aron Gunnarson spring to mind.

 

[CJ_covblaze]

Yes ex cons deserve a chance once they've done their time (in some cases it's briefer than it should be) but if Ched Evans, Marlon King, etc wanted to be a director/owner of a club the O&D test from the Football League would prevent them from doing so IIRC. Why are they allowed to continue as players?

 

[Hobo]

You should never have punishmenr without the chance to reform. But the starting point for reform is recognise your mistake, sincerely apologise to your victim and then be seen to actively do some good to help society.

Not just return to being an overpaid spoilt footballer.

 

[Paxman II]

You should never have punishmenr without the chance to reform. But the starting point for reform is recognise your mistake, sincerely apologise to your victim and then be seen to actively do some good to help society.

Not just return to being an overpaid spoilt footballer.

I've now read extensively on the case and frankly there seems a miscarriage of justice here. I'm not surprised he has seen fit to appeal and until such time that is heard refuses to bow down and do as people ask. Would you if you did not rape the girl?

 

[Hobo]

Pax I have also read up on the case and hold a different opinion to you.
He is entitled to appeal and I will be prepared to change my mind if new evidence comes to light.
I still think there are ways to go about things...it is sensitive and he should show empathy with the victims of this type of crime even if he feels he is innocent.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I've now read extensively on the case and frankly there seems a miscarriage of justice here. I'm not surprised he has seen fit to appeal and until such time that is heard refuses to bow down and do as people ask. Would you if you did not rape the girl?

Hasn't he already had an appeal rejected?

 

[ajsccfc]

Yes ex cons deserve a chance once they've done their time (in some cases it's briefer than it should be) but if Ched Evans, Marlon King, etc wanted to be a director/owner of a club the O&D test from the Football League would prevent them from doing so IIRC. Why are they allowed to continue as players?

Because players aren't directors or owners, and these tests are mainly aimed at the financial side of things. The main owner of Blackpool is a convicted rapist.

 

[Grendel]

Because players aren't directors or owners, and these tests are mainly aimed at the financial side of things. The main owner of Blackpool is a convicted rapist.

Correct. He owns 80% of the club and was convicted of raping a 16 year old. He and his son are now doing the same to the club.

An outrage.

 

[letsallsingtogether]

Correct. He owns 80% of the club and was convicted of raping a 16 year old. He and his son are now doing the same to the club.

An outrage.

Like others he was seen as a fit and proper person by our football authorities.

Sorry but that about says it all.....

FiFA would be proud

 

[Evo1883]

What happened with mccormick was a dreadful accident caused by stupidity , does it mean luke is a bad person , probably not .but he changed a families life forever in a split second and it will hang over his head for life and rightly so .
does raping somebody make you a bad person , absolutely

 

[skybluetom]

I've now read extensively on the case and frankly there seems a miscarriage of justice here. I'm not surprised he has seen fit to appeal and until such time that is heard refuses to bow down and do as people ask. Would you if you did not rape the girl?

Again, does there? The first time he saw the girl was when he stepped over her on the floor of a takeaway. He claimed in court he wasn't crusing for girls despite the fact he'd payed for a hotel that he had no need for as his mother lived minutes away. His claim is basically that she cried rape to get famous and make money, that's despite the fact she never once claimed she was raped. It was the police and cps based on Evans' statements that led to them pressing charges.

 

[Macca]

To be fair he probably doesn't think shagging a barely conscious girl is wrong given the fact that he works in the murky world of football

 

[cherrybomber]

I wonder how many rapes or sexual offences could be avoided if prostitution was legalised?

I add this comment with no preconceived views on Evan's conviction or plea.

 

[skybluetony176]

I wonder how many rapes or sexual offences could be avoided if prostitution was legalised?

I add this comment with no preconceived views on Evan's conviction or plea.

You're presuming that women are prostitutes of their own free will and even if they are (which I doubt) it's morally wrong and a measure of what such men that use them think of women. I wouldn't be at all surprised that if the vast majority of convicted rapist also have a history of using prostitutes.

This thread really is idiotic in the extremes.

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

Really annoys me the sentiment of this thread. He made a huge mistake, pleaded guilty, served his time in prison, came out and didn't seek publicity but showed remorse and yet he's still discussed as a murderer. Oh well so long as the person who started this thread is perfect and hasn't ever made a mistake

 

[cherrybomber]

You're presuming that women are prostitutes of their own free will and even if they are (which I doubt) it's morally wrong and a measure of what such men that use them think of women. I wouldn't be at all surprised that if the vast majority of convicted rapist also have a history of using prostitutes.

This thread really is idiotic in the extremes.

You are absolutely correct. Many prostitutes are certainly not doing the job because they love it, they do it because they have to. However, that's an entirely different thread and discussion, and you are wrong to presume that I thought they all did it because they want to.

And thanks for agreeing with me. when you say the vast majority of convicted rapists also have a history of using prostitutes.

That's the exact reason why I asked if legalisation would make these 'rapists' consumers in a legal framework.

 

[skybluetony176]

Really annoys me the sentiment of this thread. He made a huge mistake, pleaded guilty, served his time in prison, came out and didn't seek publicity but showed remorse and yet he's still discussed as a murderer. Oh well so long as the person who started this thread is perfect and hasn't ever made a mistake

Exactly. He's guilty of something, although a direct consequence of his idiotic actions, he did not set out to do. You can't say the same of a convicted rapist. You don't accidentally rape someone.

People also need to remember that it's very difficult to secure a conviction for a non violent rape so when someone is convicted it's usually a pretty tight conviction with little chance of a successful appeal.

 

[skybluetony176]

You are absolutely correct. Many prostitutes are certainly not doing the job because they love it, they do it because they have to. However, that's an entirely different thread and discussion, and you are wrong to presume that I thought they all did it because they want to.

And thanks for agreeing with me. when you say the vast majority of convicted rapists also have a history of using prostitutes.

That's the exact reason why I asked if legalisation would make these 'rapists' consumers in a legal framework.

Sorry. I should have paid attention to the question mark at the end of your first sentence.

 

[Astute]

I've now read extensively on the case and frankly there seems a miscarriage of justice here. I'm not surprised he has seen fit to appeal and until such time that is heard refuses to bow down and do as people ask. Would you if you did not rape the girl?

IIRC he got a text from the other player involved saying he had a bird in the hotel room. So he went to the room. The event then happened with the woman who had too much to drink.

So why did he go to the room?

 

[chiefdave]

I don't think you can make these decisions on a case by case basis. Either the FA / FL put rules in place regarding former offenders and after what types of offences players can't return to the game or we have to accept that anyone who is back in society can play.

Appreciate that footballers are paid a lot and have a life many of us can only dream of but if we were talking about a tradesman or office worker would there really be this outcry? You can't really send people back into society but then say if you have an occupation I'm envious of you can't go back to it.

Of course money talks and with sponsors getting twitchy there's very little chance of him getting signed I would have thought.

 

[Wheelfass]

Just wondering if McCormick got any stick last night at the game?

Interesting to see all the stuff about Ched Evans in the press yesterday yet someone responsible for murder has seemingly slipped back into professional football without as much fanfare...

WM

Back to the original post of the thread. We have family in Cambridge and visited them in August. I took in the Cambridge v Plymouth first game of the season. And McCormick had big time from the Newmarket Road End non stop.

 

[torchomatic]

Agree the use of the word murderer was a little strong. And yes, we've all made mistakes. I forgot to get milk on our Tesco delivery last night and my wife wasn't happy. Never drank myself stupid and killed two kids though.

Really annoys me the sentiment of this thread. He made a huge mistake, pleaded guilty, served his time in prison, came out and didn't seek publicity but showed remorse and yet he's still discussed as a murderer. Oh well so long as the person who started this thread is perfect and hasn't ever made a mistake

 

[Ian1779]

Although he was convicted, there is still a legal process in relation to this going on... it might have made far more sense for these people who have been outspoken to say nothing until the process is complete.

If he were to be proven innocent or there was a miscarriage of justice decided at a later date... will all the people who have come out in the media to deride him publicly apologise to him?

 

[Samo]

Agree the use of the word murderer was a little strong. And yes, we've all made mistakes. I forgot to get milk on our Tesco delivery last night and my wife wasn't happy. Never drank myself stupid and killed two kids though.

Yes it was a little strong... because he's not. I noticed Torch that you liked Lord's post earlier in this thread, that's how close many people come to making a catastrophic error of judgement. Was there any malice? Any evil? No, and no amount of inflammatory language will make it so

 

[torchomatic]

I "liked" it because it was a brave thing to admit. I didn't "like" the fact he'd did it. I've never done it, never been close to doing it. Anyone who does do it is stupid and those who kill people, like McCormick, are absolute scum.

Yes it was a little strong... because he's not. I noticed Torch that you liked Lord's post earlier in this thread, that's how close many people come to making a catastrophic error of judgement. Was there any malice? Any evil? No, and no amount of inflammatory language will make it so

 

[Samo]

I "liked" it because it was a brave thing to admit. I didn't "like" the fact he'd did it. I've never done it, never been close to doing it. Anyone who does do it is stupid and those who kill people, like McCormick, are absolute scum.

Just so we're clear Torch.... Is anyone that has ever drank and driven 'scum', or just those that have hit someone? Your post suggest that the former are 'stupid' and the latter are 'scum', is that right?

 

[torchomatic]

Yes. Seems clear enough to me.

Just so we're clear Torch.... Is anyone that has ever drank and driven 'scum', or just those that have hit someone? Your post suggest that the former are 'stupid' and the latter are 'scum', is that right?

 

[Sky Blue Pete]

What he did was wrong, he is not scum