Disorganised1
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If you're a fan you support the club - you don't agree with everything they do, but you support them.
Sbt census... Sisu (9 Viewers)
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When i thought we had Hoffman as a viable alternative, i wanted sisu out. Only because as a fan i would trust him to put as much into the team as possible and try to purchase half the stadium, but there are no guarantees he would get us any further with his 30 million than sisu have, as that money would have to cover our losses and is not all for improvement. Up until the last transfer window, i thought sisu's plan was to sell as many players as possible to recoup their outlay and leg it. With the resistance to offers for Juke and the purchase of a striker, all be it from league 2, they have demonstrated that , whilst they still need to dramatically reduce the running costs and they will have to sell players to offset the losses ,they may have at least one eye on the playing squad and they have a longer term plan.Without Hoffmans bid the only alternative to sisu seems to be administration. The administrator would, like sisu, continue to sell , probably more vigourously, to raise money to offset losses and pay off creditors(probably sisu). Ok , a potential purchaser may get the club cheap, but is there one? Administration scares me because it is an unknown and seems to be taking my club a step nearer to ceasing to exist.
The upshot is that for now sisu seems to be our best option. When they came in they stated that we needed 25000 ish fans up the ricoh to break even. We dont get that. We are losing money. It would be nice if they were willing to throw more of their cash at us, but we cant blame them if they cant. We have to continue to cut costs or increase revenue. With premier league parachute payments lasting four years now we could end up with 6-12 championship clubs on these payments at any one time. We are a poor relation. Our level, i guess, according to our finances, will be bottom end championship or maybe league 1 unless we can source other investment. Even then ,if the fair play rules come in, i dont know how clubs with sugar daddies (Leicester, cardiff etc) will stand. So i think we need to live within our means, find our level and hope that good management and astute player purchases together with a strong academy will see us grow. So for now at least, i support sisu. With fingers and toes crossed.
The upshot is that for now sisu seems to be our best option. When they came in they stated that we needed 25000 ish fans up the ricoh to break even. We dont get that. We are losing money. It would be nice if they were willing to throw more of their cash at us, but we cant blame them if they cant. We have to continue to cut costs or increase revenue. With premier league parachute payments lasting four years now we could end up with 6-12 championship clubs on these payments at any one time. We are a poor relation. Our level, i guess, according to our finances, will be bottom end championship or maybe league 1 unless we can source other investment. Even then ,if the fair play rules come in, i dont know how clubs with sugar daddies (Leicester, cardiff etc) will stand. So i think we need to live within our means, find our level and hope that good management and astute player purchases together with a strong academy will see us grow. So for now at least, i support sisu. With fingers and toes crossed.
Sub
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i suppport the team and the manager at the moment i do not support the club because of how the club is being run. Its not being run to benifit CCFC its being run as a secondary income stream for SISU corperation and share holders this is where the issue lies for me.
skybluesteve76
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shmmeee
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Great post CV3, also I'd never thought about the increased disparity between ex-Prem clubs and the others when the fair play rules come in. If people play with a straight bat it basically creates an uncrossable chasm as those not on parachute payments can't legally spend anything like as much as those with them.
I think the whole parachute payment thing is a crock of shit personally. Let clubs negotiate sensible contracts with relegation in mind and maybe we'll see player wages come down to earth a little bit. Most clubs make a packet selling off their Premiership players anyway. Better to create a system where relegation doesn't bankrupt clubs than to artificially prop them up IMO.
I think the whole parachute payment thing is a crock of shit personally. Let clubs negotiate sensible contracts with relegation in mind and maybe we'll see player wages come down to earth a little bit. Most clubs make a packet selling off their Premiership players anyway. Better to create a system where relegation doesn't bankrupt clubs than to artificially prop them up IMO.
shmmeee
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Well there's Boro saying publically that they bid a significant amount for him and he's still here.
What evidence do you have to the contrary? It works both ways you know...
Otis
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Yes it does, but as I say just because we didn't sell him doesn't mean we didn't intend to. The CT quite clearly stated that the only reason further players weren't sold was because of the cash from Ben Turner and Scott Dann's sales.
Maybe it is just in the wording. People on here are lauding Sisu for 'resisting' the sale of our players. That's not quite the same as that they were intending to sell but didn't have to in the end is it!
Not lauding sisu, i have no doubt if Turner hadnt gone to cardiff we would have had to sell Juke or someone else to offset losses/costs. But it does show that they are not just grabbing everything with a view to getting out. Its not ideal but it is where we are at right now.
Otis
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No-one has come up with the answer as to why we tried to buy two strikers! Parkin and McDonald. McDonald was top priority according to AT. That kind of points to us getting McDonald anyway and Parkin being a replacement for Juke. Unless of course we were going to have Parkin AND McDonald to add to a strikeforce of Juke, Platt, Eastwood, ROD and Jeffers!! Can't believe that we were going to buy two more strikers thoughand end up with SEVEN strikers at the club. Logically you would think Parkin was to replace Juke and McDonald was the other striker we wanted to bring in.
Fatc is, people on here are praising Sisu for resisting offers for Juke. With their record of information and spin why on earth would anyone believe that to be true?
brinner
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exactly.
they were never gonna sell every1 in this window as that would have turned the city fans completely and it would have been anarchy at the ricoh come the derby game!
they still have january to do the dirty deed of selling every1 before they put us in to administration at the end of the season...........and by january they may be able to command decent fees for 1 or 2 of the kids aswell as juke, clingan and cranie.
if they really cared for the club and were in it for the long haul we would have signed players before the season started, afterall if u believe what sisus cronies say the wages made available to king, westy and gunnar are still on the table, thats about 20k a weeks worth of wages so why did we not sign any free transfers in july and august when there were shit loads of players up for grabs????
we finally sign a player on deadline day.........but it takes the sale of our best player for £750k plus about the same from danns move to blackburn to allow us to do this! bet sisus top brass are happy, didnt sisu lose just over 300k as a business in the last financial year?? well they made over £1 million from ccfc on wednesday to more than make amends.
SkyBlueScottie
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The answer to that is
"The forum's up for these sorts of purposes and a thread like this will instigate a debate which is what people want."
So if people think its silly they are entitled to say so....
Good post, I have cropped out some bits. We bought him from a premier league club.
To be fair to Sisu the academy is getting better.
Otis
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A strong academy is the way forward when you have no money. Doesn't mean selling them at the drop of a hat though at the first opportunity.
Bigi for instance looks like he will develop into a really good player. His value could sky rocket if he's given chance to develop and not be sold before his true potential is realised.
Bigi for instance looks like he will develop into a really good player. His value could sky rocket if he's given chance to develop and not be sold before his true potential is realised.
shmmeee
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I don't think anyone disagrees with you Otis. It's just that time itself is a luxury we don't have.
The million dollar question no one cam answer is how do we keep the club afloat while these players develop?
It's a question that anyone who runs the club has to answer and so far noone has. Even Hoffman didn't have a plan beyond subsidising the losses. Eventually his investors would lose patience if there was no success (which is never a guarantee) and we'd be back to square one.
gary_ccfcforever
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Sisu still havnt given us the long term vision for the club, crainie and clingan will be sold in January, Gauranteed and we get the usual crap... 'we offered them new deals but they didnt want to stay'. Bigi, Christie and Thomas will be sold as soon as someone comes in. Whats the plan after next summer? Also this crap about them still attempting to buy the ground... they dont have the cash and even if they did they already know full well that the council will not sell and will veto the higgs trust selling their 50%. Sisu wanted the stadium, they cant get it, Thye've lied over and over again to the fans, and now because they have put out a bullshit statement and signed one player i'm supposed to supprt them? not on your nelly!
How Paxman can say relegation to league one is not realistic this season is beyond me... granted if we could get our best 11 fit and keep them fit we could probably just about survive, but we have easily the 2nd or 3rd worst squad in the league at the present... i would say only doncaster have a worse 1st 11 and even they have a proven 15-20 goal a season striker in their squad.
Time to be realistic, we are in serious relegation danger, we are pinning our hopes on an unproven striker scoring 15-20 goals to give us a chance.
Sisu have been nothing but bad news for this club and i cant see it changing
How Paxman can say relegation to league one is not realistic this season is beyond me... granted if we could get our best 11 fit and keep them fit we could probably just about survive, but we have easily the 2nd or 3rd worst squad in the league at the present... i would say only doncaster have a worse 1st 11 and even they have a proven 15-20 goal a season striker in their squad.
Time to be realistic, we are in serious relegation danger, we are pinning our hopes on an unproven striker scoring 15-20 goals to give us a chance.
Sisu have been nothing but bad news for this club and i cant see it changing
rob9872
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Strong academy is great but I don't believe a word they say and can't trust them not to off-load any prospect to the first bidder. I'm long past expecting £1m+ players to arrive and don't expect to hold onto players who have their heads turned for bigger clubs premiership football or even better money, but what I do expect is that the youth team are not sold and I fear that if they could, then they would. It doesn't even make good business sense when you consider what some 18/19 year olds can go for, but they don't understand football. I think on balance I probably do despise them, but then there isn't exactly a queue of people beating down the door to replace them so for the short term at least we're stuck with eachother.
Astute
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It looks as though SISU have realised they are stuck with us if they want their investment back. They know to get a profit from us they need to get more fans in the ground. To do this we need a winning team. I am waiting to see what loans come in. Maybe the new board members came in because they realised the club was being run the wrong way.
I do not love the fact SISU still own us. At least they are still funding us. There is nobody else prepared to fund us. Now they have realsed their failings it is time for one more chance. Why not? We don't have anyone else. Protests at games will affect the players. It looks like we either dislike or hate SISU. We still need to get behind our team.
I do not love the fact SISU still own us. At least they are still funding us. There is nobody else prepared to fund us. Now they have realsed their failings it is time for one more chance. Why not? We don't have anyone else. Protests at games will affect the players. It looks like we either dislike or hate SISU. We still need to get behind our team.
gary_ccfcforever
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how are sisu funding us? they are not funding us. the money has come from our only remaining assets... the training ground, next seasons season ticket sales and player trabsfer fees!
Astute
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Transfer fees? So how much has this raised after signing Cody? So how did you find out about the rest and know this to be the truth and not yet another false rumour? Is this the training ground SISU spent money on?
We are trading at a loss. They have put a lot of cash in so far and are liable for any debts. To me this means they are funding us. If they walk away they lose a lot. If they walk away we are in the sh1t.
We are trading at a loss. They have put a lot of cash in so far and are liable for any debts. To me this means they are funding us. If they walk away they lose a lot. If they walk away we are in the sh1t.
gary_ccfcforever
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We spent 400k on Cody, probably half up front and the rest in Add ons, we got 600k+ from Dann and 750k for turner Sisu made a tidy sum! Sisu spent 500k on the training ground apparently and mortgaged it for 1m. Sisu havnt put a penny of their own money into this club for along time!
SkyBlueScottie
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It will be very interesting to see how much they have reduced the annual losses by.
gary_ccfcforever
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who says the ryton mortgage was paid off?
Companies house.
Nonleagueherewecome
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If you knew how they were trying to sell absolutely crucial players on Weds night, you would never ever ever back them. We were so close to being stripped bare, and only a lack of time prevented that from being the case. They didn't mention another player who was 30mins from being gone. We must make of displeasure visible and clear against Derby-just support the players as well. It was obvious enough that they had our backing against Watford-if anything it was the best atmosphere for ages! I will never rest until SISU are out of my club-every statement just rubs salt into the wounds, as it makes a big lie even bigger!