New David Conn article (10 Viewers)

[Nick]

I'd like to hear Jan compare it to the Gillingham game as that would of course be a fair one since they are similar occasions. I'd also like to hear what he thinks about Wasps permanently relocating when he opposed Northampton so vigorously.

Don't ask those questions though Conn, it'll rock the boat with Woody.

He already has in this thread

 

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[bigfatronssba]

I'd like to hear Jan compare it to the Gillingham game as that would of course be a fair one since they are similar occasions. I'd also like to hear what he thinks about Wasps permanently relocating when he opposed Northampton so vigorously.

Don't ask those questions though Conn, it'll rock the boat with Woody.

I would expect a Coventry City Supporters Trust board member to care more about Coventry City FC than Wasps RFC.

Wouldn't you?

 

[Senior Vick from Alicante]

I don't think Jan was trying to get the over reaction his comments have caused, especially with you Nick. Wasps whether we like it or not will attract some city fans, they are offering top flight sport for less than some are paying to watch the turgid offerings on the pitch on a Saturday. My son and father are both season ticket holders but went out of curiosity as they had never seen top flight rugby, they said it was a very enjoyable day out. My son would probably prefer to go to watch the Rugby, his reasoning was that the atmosphere was great and the action was exciting, two things that are missing from our games at the moment. At the end of the day Our club has been bled dry and reduced to rubble by uncaring owners, the vitriol of fans on here should be directed that way, they have had enough and Wasps may be the ones to gain from this but its not their fault.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Alan Dugdale: I would like the Trust to give the club the same leniency it affords an imported franchise.

You mean the two trust board members who are season ticket holders at the club and go to most away games, who have been to one Wasps game and are not Wasps season ticket holders as far as I know? I'm sure if Wasps were responsible for our demise then they would be getting the same level of grief from everybody including me but they are not.

 

[Nick]

I would expect a Coventry City Supporters Trust board member to care more about Coventry City FC than Wasps RFC.

Wouldn't you?

I don't doubt they do, it's the posts like jans. They quite clearly love the club which I think can sometimes blind people.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don't really care about the level of respect Wasps have shown their fans - thats between them and their fans - I do care about CCFC. You don't oppose moving to Nuneaton even if it might kill another team and its not in Coventry? Sad and selfish.
If my comments shame the Trust then report me to them, oppose me in the elections, come to meetings and make your point to other members.

If Wasps treated their own fans awfully why would you encourage CCFC to deal with them?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

He already has in this thread

Can't be arsed to dig through, what was it?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

You mean the two trust board members who are season ticket holders at the club and go to most away games, who have been to one Wasps game and are not Wasps season ticket holders as far as I know? I'm sure if Wasps were responsible for our demise then they would be getting the same level of grief from everybody including me but they are not.

They have not held Wasps to the same standards as they hold SISU.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I would expect a Coventry City Supporters Trust board member to care more about Coventry City FC than Wasps RFC.

Wouldn't you?

Defending his hypocrisy now?

 

[bigfatronssba]

If Wasps treated their own fans awfully why would you encourage CCFC to deal with them?

Because CCFC has no choice?

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

They have not held Wasps to the same standards as they hold SISU.

Didn't know Wasps were co owners of CCFC when did this happen? The bastards right I'm going after them now co ruining my club

 

[bigfatronssba]

Defending his hypocrisy now?

Hypocrisy would be for him to pretend he cares as much about Wasps fans as he does about City fans.

A hypocrisy seen all too often on this website.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Didn't know Wasps were co owners of CCFC when did this happen? The bastards right I'm going after them now co ruining my club

They are encouraging CCFC to start building bridges with them, see fit to invite Nick Eastwood to a Trust meeting and so on. Stop taking things to the absurd extreme and see that there is a clear double standard here.

 

[Nick]

I don't think Jan was trying to get the over reaction his comments have caused, especially with you Nick. Wasps whether we like it or not will attract some city fans, they are offering top flight sport for less than some are paying to watch the turgid offerings on the pitch on a Saturday. My son and father are both season ticket holders but went out of curiosity as they had never seen top flight rugby, they said it was a very enjoyable day out. My son would probably prefer to go to watch the Rugby, his reasoning was that the atmosphere was great and the action was exciting, two things that are missing from our games at the moment. At the end of the day Our club has been bled dry and reduced to rubble by uncaring owners, the vitriol of fans on here should be directed that way, they have had enough and Wasps may be the ones to gain from this but its not their fault.

The thing, is even.more worrying if he wasn't trying. If he was doing some bhsb last fishing I'd take my hat off. By not seeing how bad that post looked it worries me more than him doing it just for the reaction.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Because CCFC has no choice?

They have a choice to pursue a new ground. If Fisher demonstrated it made more economic sense for that than renting from Wasps would the Trust back it?

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Defending his hypocrisy now?

Must look up your posts regarding London rugby clubs playing in Oxford and Reading etc bound to be loads even Wasps to High Wycombe.

 

[Nick]

Hypocrisy would be for him to pretend he cares as much about Wasps fans as he does about City fans.

A hypocrisy seen all too often on this website.

Hypocrisy is defined in that post about being sad and selfish.

I don't really care about the level of respect Wasps have shown their fans - thats between them and their fans - I do care about CCFC. You don't oppose moving to Nuneaton even if it might kill another team and its not in Coventry? Sad and selfish.
If my comments shame the Trust then report me to them, oppose me in the elections, come to meetings and make your point to other members.

That is hypocrisy right there, going from not giving a fuck about wasps fans when they moved to abusing people who don't oppose something he is openly promoting for somebody else.

Yes, I don't doubt he is a city fan and I can see why trust board members don't like coming on here, I'm not sure if he was expecting a pat on the back or something.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

They are encouraging CCFC to start building bridges with them, see fit to invite Nick Eastwood to a Trust meeting and so on. Stop taking things to the absurd extreme and see that there is a clear double standard here.

Do you know what was said at that meeting with Eastwood?

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Must look up your posts regarding London rugby clubs playing in Oxford and Reading etc bound to be loads even Wasps to High Wycombe.

If this were a rugby forum you might. Although you will find a good number criticising Warwickshire for rebranding as Birmingham in the 'other sports' forum.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

Do you know what was said at that meeting with Eastwood?

I know Eastwood denied that Wasps were a franchise that had a PR machine.

 

[bigfatronssba]

They have a choice to pursue a new ground. If Fisher demonstrated it made more economic sense for that than renting from Wasps would the Trust back it?

IF being the key word.

I would expect the club to choose whichever option made the most economic sense. For me it is a no brainer, getting a good deal at the Ricoh will cost far less than a tin pot ground in Nuneaton.

If Mr Fisher wishes to produce figures that show the opposite to this, then I am willing to look at what he has to say.

This would be on the condition though that it was economic sense of CCFC and not just Sisu.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Hypocrisy is defined in that post about being sad and selfish.

Hypocrisy is also defending the poor innocent Coventry Rugby Club when 15 years ago they were planning this:

http://www.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/story/28943.html

http://www.cwn.org.uk/sport/rugby/coventry-rfc/1999/10/991004-bedford.htm

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

I know Eastwood denied that Wasps were a franchise that had a PR machine.

As I've said before they don't need a PR machine Sisu do all the PR for them.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

IF being the key word.

I would expect the club to choose whichever option made the most economic sense. For me it is a no brainer, getting a good deal at the Ricoh will cost far less than a tin pot ground in Nuneaton.

If Mr Fisher wishes to produce figures that show the opposite to this, then I am willing to look at what he has to say.

This would be on the condition though that it was economic sense of CCFC and not just Sisu.

They are intertwined right now. We have to accept that, just like we have to accept Wasps being owners of the Ricoh. Wasps will not want us there unless they profit, that's where the difficulty in negotiating a good rent agreement comes from.

In 4 years' time can you see them giving us a good deal if we have nowhere to go? We will be screwed to the hilt.

 

[Nick]

Hypocrisy is also defending the poor innocent Coventry Rugby Club when 15 years ago they were planning this:

http://www.espn.co.uk/scrum/rugby/story/28943.html

http://www.cwn.org.uk/sport/rugby/coventry-rfc/1999/10/991004-bedford.htm

Who is defending that?

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

If this were a rugby forum you might. Although you will find a good number criticising Warwickshire for rebranding as Birmingham in the 'other sports' forum.

So its not a rugby forum when it suits ok

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

As I've said before they don't need a PR machine Sisu do all the PR for them.

Dodges the point when it gets inconvenient.

 

[Nick]

As I've said before they don't need a PR machine Sisu do all the PR for them.

As well as jan, Steve and intheknow...

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

So its not a rugby forum when it suits ok

Why would I post about London Irish on a Cov City forum?

 

[chiefdave]

Who should we be fighting? Encouraging a boycott of Wasps would benefit CCFC how?

I think the trust should make it very clear they are against franchising and encourage all supporters not to endorse it by attending Wasps games. The only hope we have of ever gaining an ownership stake in the Ricoh is if Wasps plan fails so the less people attending the better. Exactly the same as when people were being asked not to go to Sixfields to force SISU to bring us back home.

I believe that a deal over access to match day revenues is possible but unless you ask you certainly won't get. Its down to negotiating the best possible deal for CCFC.

I thought Wasps had to move here as they needed access to 365 days a year revenue. Odd that without they were apparently going out of business but we just need matchday revenue.

This is a comparison, which situation gave that rush... wasps try or jacksons equaliser?

When we buggered off to Sixfields I went to a few England games. Obviously I support England but the feeling when they scored was nothing like the feeling when City score. Let alone some random team I couldn't care less about.

In my opinion the root cause of our current situation is SISU

I must have missed the part where they sold our stadium to a rugby club from London.

None of you answered my question before so I'll ask again did any of you give a toss when Wasps,London Irishetc were moved before? Where was your moral indignation then? When people last season said why not go and watch Cov how many of you said you didn't give a toss about Cov its a different sport,now all of a sudden you're concerned brilliant.

In all honestly until this situation with Wasps I had no idea that London Wasps and London Irish didn't play in London but had I known at the time I would have happily signed any petition against it or supported any action taken by their fans. Have never been to CRFC as I don't like rugby, doesn't mean I want them disadvantaged or don't feel pride when a club bearing the name of our city does well.

I don't really care about the level of respect Wasps have shown their fans - thats between them and their fans

Absolutely gobsmacked by that comment. After making a comment like that frankly I think you should immediately resign from the Trust. I don't see how anyone can hold a position in a supporters trust and say something like that. Did we not want support from fans of other clubs when we were opposing the move to Sixfields? A disgraceful comment.

I do care about CCFC. You don't oppose moving to Nuneaton even if it might kill another team and its not in Coventry? Sad and selfish.

I can't understand who people who I believed to be intelligent can't see any difference between a London rugby club moving to Coventry and us moving a couple of miles outside the city boundary.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

As well as jan, Steve and intheknow...

You have to have a balance don't you

 

[bigfatronssba]

Who is defending that?

In fairness no one, as it hasn't been mentioned before.

Yours was probably the wrong post to reply to with it :facepalm:

This does seem to have been forgotten about, it does seem to highlight though (very close to home) how rugby differs to football, and therefore we shouldn't expect a football supporters trust to get involved with a rugby issue.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

Why would I post about London Irish on a Cov City forum?

Been on here too long today I'll leave you to work it out

 

[bigfatronssba]

I can't understand who people who I believed to be intelligent can't see any difference between a London rugby club moving to Coventry and us moving a couple of miles outside the city boundary.

You don't think CCFC playing in Nuneaton will impact on Nuneaton Town?

That's the whole point. With franchising the distance is immaterial. Its the damage it does to the club already in the area that is one of the main concerns.

Why should Nuneaton Town suffer because Sisu wrecked our club?

 

[Nick]

You don't think CCFC playing in Nuneaton will impact on Nuneaton Town?

That's the whole point. With franchising the distance is immaterial. Its the damage it does to the club already in the area that is one of the main concerns.

Why should Nuneaton Town suffer because Sisu wrecked our club?

So you think sisu would be moving 3 miles away to try and get more fans?

If we all take jans view it should be "who cares" shouldn't it?