This Swindon Protest... (29 Viewers)

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Selling youth players to get by is quite a common business model in the lower leagues apparently according to the Secret Footballer, in his book he was looking at getting involved with a football club. It doesn't sound like the club was us though.

Oh no, that's not the case at all-didn't you read what Godiva said? It's actually costing SISU £1m a year, but they're such great owners, they're pumping that in out of the kindness of their hearts....

 

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[Godiva]

What utter shite. Nothing has changed since the return to The Ricoh-name what has changed about the academy or finances since then? You can't, as you made it up to suit your pro-SISU worldview. No point having an academy asnyway as SISU just sell them as soon as we get a bid and the money is never re-invested in the playing side.

What tripe. But then you've been doing their PR for a good 3years or so now, haven't you?

You're trying to make out that me not forgiving SISU is the same as them not changing their spot's re: having an open dialogue with the fans? No: in my case, it is a case of having principles, anger and passion. I will never forgive them because what they have done is unforgiveable-and it's further evidence that you have never been a Coventry City fan that you so patronisingly think I should. Them not having a dialogue with fans is not because of principles :it's because they really don't give a shit about us and their main priority is to mislead us and keep us in the dark as much as possible.


I also won't forgive SISU because they have done absolutely nothing-nada, zilch, zero-to merit forgiveness. They may have changed "strategy" a few times, but in no way have they improved their behaviour or treated the supporter's with a modicum of respect.

It's hard to tell if you're being sarcastic or not...."the team cost nothing"? Where did I say that it did (although in terms of transfer fees, aside from Barton, that is of course correct). Of course, they are paying wages and signing on fees-but not more than should be the budget for a team our size with our gates. Are you trying to imply that they are "propping us up"? I think we could have made up the shortfall between income and costs for this season from Juke's sell on fee alone without even touching the Wilson, Cyrus or Arsenal money.

As for the academy-that's their biggest income generator. Wilson alone raised enough to pay your supposed £1m extra per year for the next 3 and a half years. They'd been even dumber than I think if they are considering getting rid of such a nice little earner.

Yacht parties in the Bahamas? What? :facepalm:


You couldn't sound more like Joy's little lapdog if you tried.

Yes, my post was sarcastic. It was a reaction to your first post. Read it again, it's full of ramblings and nonsense.
What changes to the finance or the academy did you expect 'since the return to the Ricoh'? It's only 4 month to the day. No financial reports has been released to show any change - and actually won't be released for quite some time. And the academy? What can change in 4 month? It cost money but - as you have figured out yourself - it produces talent that can be sold to keep the club floating. So yes, there really is a point of having the academy in contrary to what you wrote in your post.

As for my opinions over the last 4 years I have been posting here (and before that when I posted on GMK) - well, they haven't really changed as you point out. I am still the believer of balancing the books and owing our stadium as the only way to ever regain a position in the top flight. Sisu wasted the first three years of their tenure letting Ranson/Hoffman/Elliott spending £10m on putting us back in the same financial mess we were in under the previous regime, but at least they have recognized their failure and changed strategy.

I don't expect you to ever forgive sisu their previous failures. Why should you?
I will never forgive them for letting the golden opportunity they had when they took over be wasted so miserably by the 'holy trinity' of local businessmen and a real football man. Why should I?

 

[Grendel]

Yes, my post was sarcastic. It was a reaction to your first post. Read it again, it's full of ramblings and nonsense.

To be fair every post since his first have been the same.

 

[Broken Hearted Sky Blue]

To be fair every post since his first have been the same.

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha you are a card.

 

[dongonzalos]

Yeah....these 2

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - so please excuse any spelling or grammar errors

I mean the potential new owners not current

 

[dongonzalos]

Hold on, just need something to help me find them...

Other than they have tried to buy the club in the past is there anything that actually means its them. Or is it pure speculation. Actually I will just read the thread now.

 

[dongonzalos]

Yes, my post was sarcastic. It was a reaction to your first post. Read it again, it's full of ramblings and nonsense.
What changes to the finance or the academy did you expect 'since the return to the Ricoh'? It's only 4 month to the day. No financial reports has been released to show any change - and actually won't be released for quite some time. And the academy? What can change in 4 month? It cost money but - as you have figured out yourself - it produces talent that can be sold to keep the club floating. So yes, there really is a point of having the academy in contrary to what you wrote in your post.

As for my opinions over the last 4 years I have been posting here (and before that when I posted on GMK) - well, they haven't really changed as you point out. I am still the believer of balancing the books and owing our stadium as the only way to ever regain a position in the top flight. Sisu wasted the first three years of their tenure letting Ranson/Hoffman/Elliott spending £10m on putting us back in the same financial mess we were in under the previous regime, but at least they have recognized their failure and changed strategy.

I don't expect you to ever forgive sisu their previous failures. Why should you?
I will never forgive them for letting the golden opportunity they had when they took over be wasted so miserably by the 'holy trinity' of local businessmen and a real football man. Why should I?

Godiva I don't see a problem with balancing the books. However I don't see how it will return us to the top flight.

How many clubs do you know who have got into the premiership by not spending more than you earn?

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Actually I will just read the thread now.

You cad.

You bounder.

I say old chap, I disagree most frightfully.

I do believe you're mistaken.






Or something like that.

 

[dongonzalos]

Bang on!

The only thing I can see is that certain people get involved in these protests and then wonder why SISU don't speak to them....

I have to say if I were SISU and people felt strong enough to protest to try and get me removed. I would want to increase dialogue with the in order to quell their anger. The worst thing I could do would be to try and alienate them.

 

[dongonzalos]

I wonder who these consortiums are?

So 2-3 different consortiums.

Also they say they know SISU are going nowhere, so it is a protest about the way the fans have been treated as oppose to get SISU out. Fair enough as long as it is a peaceful protest not pitch invasions

 

[dongonzalos]

It does all fit in place.

I wonder if there was any promise of fan ownership involved???

Bloody hell I am glad I am the one on here who creates conspiracies!!!!

 

[dongonzalos]

If there's anyone serious about taking us over the best way to get the fans onside is make it public, show they are serious and have a plan that could see the club be successful. There's been too much of we know someone who will take us over through recent years.

According to this they are only interested if SISU decide to walk away. That isn't happening. Do you really expect people to have meeting and discuss business plans for something they are not bidding for and is not for sale? I agree they should do this but only if SISU have announced they are off. Otherwise what's the point?

 

[dongonzalos]

I'm happy to protest against SISU if new owners can show how they are going to generate more income then the match day revenue we currently receive.
Any new owner will have to buy into ACL or build a new stadium. I think it s that simple!

Are you happy about the way SISU treat you as a fan. Unless there is more in this thread I have not read yet the protest is about our treatment by our owners

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Unless there is more in this thread I have not read yet

FGS merge your answers in one post!

Or at least wait until I go to bed so I can read them in one sitting...

 

[wingy]

Who said anyone Is Interested and who has said anything about Micheals thinking Is ~ Tied In to either alleged Swindon protest,the trust ,or their getting a seat on the board.

I think you've all added 2+2+2 and come up with 9.


As I said In the thread I think there Is a level of Paranoia surfacing around a loose theory Micheal Is throwing out there .
JMO

 

[Nick]

Who said anyone Is Interested and who has said anything about Micheals thinking Is ~ Tied In to either alleged Swindon protest,the trust ,or their getting a seat on the board.

I think you've all added 2+2+2 and come up with 9.


As I said In the thread I think there Is a level of Paranoia surfacing around a loose theory Micheal Is throwing out there .
JMO

Whoever is organising the protest said people are interested.

You may call it paranoia, others may call it being dubious and a bit obvious. People keep going on about learning from the past, instead they keep following blindly.

People need to be cynical

 

[wingy]

Whoever is organising the protest said people are interested.

You may call it paranoia, others may call it being dubious and a bit obvious. People keep going on about learning from the past, instead they keep following blindly.

I can assure you there Is No connection between Micheal floating a quizzical Idea on a way to help the Club or the trust knowing Micheal Is

throwing that theory out there or the Trust being behind this alleged protest .

A fair few fans think the trust has actually been a tad lightweight ,I do to a degree .

whoever Is behind taking what appears to be a more hardline angle and may lead to splitting the thinking within the trust and leave you with

the type of trust you desire ,IE blindly following and promoting the failed Visions of Tim Fisher et al.

Edit; was editing and lost some text now roughly restored.

 

[Nick]

I can assure you there Is No connection between Micheal floating a quizzical Idea on a way to help the Club or the trust knowing Micheal Is

theory out there or the Trust being behind this alleged protest .


hardline angle and may lead to splitting the thinking within the trust and leave you with the type of trust you desire ,IE blindly following and

promoting the failed Visions of Tim Fisher et al.

Where have I said I want a trust to just blindly follow the club, you must have been mistaken as I said one that doesn't blindly follow random americans, rugby teams and stadium management companies.

 

[wingy]

Where have I said I want a trust to just blindly follow the club, you must have been mistaken as I said one that doesn't blindly follow random americans, rugby teams and stadium management companies.

OK a simple question ,one I've mentioned a fair bit lately not too far removed from Micheals thinking ,but simpler and with the same owners essentially .

it's going to require me starting a new thread so I hope you'll assist me and convert It Into a poll.

Cheers in advance .

 

[Nick]

OK a simple question ,one I've mentioned a fair bit lately not too far removed from Micheals thinking ,but simpler and with the same owners essentially .

it's going to require me starting a new thread so I hope you'll assist me and convert It Into a poll.

Cheers in advance .

I am not too sure a poll can be added but will give it a go...

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Godiva I don't see a problem with balancing the books. However I don't see how it will return us to the top flight.

How many clubs do you know who have got into the premiership by not spending more than you earn?

Maybe we should accept we are where we deserve to be, no revenues from the stadium and league 1 attendances makes for a league 1 team.

If we had 25k attendances and all stadium revenues we would be in a much better position to make an assault to the premier league whilst remaining financially sound.

 

[Covstu]

I can see this being another Sheff Utd, alot of talk then nowt happens on the day!

 

[Nick]

Apparently a "statement" today about whats going to happen.

Although all the stuff they seem to do is write stuff like this:

SISU #GOSeppala #GOFisher #GOCov "area" stadium #GOPolicy not to buy players #GOApathy #GONegativity #GOSISU lies #GOPR spin #GO

Whats been your most ridiculous SISU moment in recent years ?1.moving us to Sixfields2.selling everyone & buying No oneRT for 1Fav for 2

Literally writing lists of crap over and over and over again and people are going absolutely mad for it (in between talking about being wasps fans)

I am not sure writing a hashtag saying go towards them is going to force them out is it?

 

[ccfctommy]

He/She has made 4000 'Go' cards printed off.

Fuck it, i'll hold one up. Why not?

 

[Paxman II]

He/She has made 4000 'Go' cards printed off.

Fuck it, i'll hold one up. Why not?

If you hold one up then you really ought to know what you are truly trying to kick out and what is coming in to replace it? Without any inkling of that, how can you be so single minded?
Now if we had detail of a takeover that was both feesable and potentially sounded like an offer not to be refused, I'd hold one up straight away and call for SISU's head.

Unfortunately that is not what is happening in this suggestion, so why disrupt the team spirit? Why demonstrate to the manager and team (the very lads on the pitch) that you hate the owners and have no trust in them to deliver? How do you think that makes the players and staff feel? Not a good way forward is it?
Only ego's will be served by this action of a few who, to my mind do not represent the majority of our fan base.

We should be supporting the team to win. Success on the pitch can only deliver what you want eventually. We are a stricken club currently and any one thinking we can just get SISU out and find the holy grail to a better road immediately after, is deluded and fails to understand the clubs current plight.

Can't help feeling that rather than continually oppose SISU why don't we demonstrate the will to engage with SISU and force that issue?
They desperately need a successful club going forwards and once you get onside with your enemy you may find common ground to defeat them, or in this case harbour their exit.

 

[The Gentleman]

You never want listen to anything other than your own assumed views on everything instead of figuring out the realities. Seems to me you just don't want to accept the reality because of morbid hate for sisu. I hate the buggers for much of what has happened too but I accept their position and see what they need to do in order to find the exit door.

You asked for my fucking views!

You then come out with that shit about me figuring out when someone you agree with says something I don't agree with. What makes him right and me wrong? Just because he tries to talk like some 'Sisu voice of reason' and I say that because his biased views help out Sisu first, second and last. Lets help Sisu get something back yet no fucker on here (apart from a couple of plants or cunts) can actually say what Sisu want or will actually do with us. The fuckers are a cancer on our club and will only ever put themselves first so all this talk about what's best for Sisu makes me fucking sick because no-one on here can actually say what ANY outcome will be for us and all they have done for us so far is bad. One thing we can all agree on though is the quicker Sisu fuck off the better but when I say something (and I even put at the bottom what I said may not work or something like that) despite you asking me for a suggestion, you shoot me down. If you don't want me to say anything or don't like what I say then don't fucking ask!

 

[The Gentleman]

If you hold one up then you really ought to know what you are truly trying to kick out and what is coming in to replace it? Without any inkling of that, how can you be so single minded?
Now if we had detail of a takeover that was both feesable and potentially sounded like an offer not to be refused, I'd hold one up straight away and call for SISU's head.

Unfortunately that is not what is happening in this suggestion, so why disrupt the team spirit? Why demonstrate to the manager and team (the very lads on the pitch) that you hate the owners and have no trust in them to deliver? How do you think that makes the players and staff feel? Not a good way forward is it?
Only ego's will be served by this action of a few who, to my mind do not represent the majority of our fan base.

We should be supporting the team to win. Success on the pitch can only deliver what you want eventually. We are a stricken club currently and any one thinking we can just get SISU out and find the holy grail to a better road immediately after, is deluded and fails to understand the clubs current plight.

Can't help feeling that rather than continually oppose SISU why don't we demonstrate the will to engage with SISU and force that issue?
They desperately need a successful club going forwards and once you get onside with your enemy you may find common ground to defeat them, or in this case harbour their exit.

If you're that desperate for dialogue with the wankers and think you know what is best then why don't you get up of your arse and try and do something, you put the time and effort in arranging a talk with the ones you seem to hold in some sort of regard. Either that or just keep coming on here and slagging off peoples ideas for trying to do something.

 

[Paxman II]

The key word there gentlemen was the word assumed. You make many assumptions as do others and myself included but these assumptions are your own and not anyone else's. We do indeed agree on wanting SISU gone but I do not agree that is simply because we hate the bastards. Currently they and they alone are what keeps our club alive and with a future. If you can tell me there is a big investment on the horizon waiting to come in then great but we all know there is none so lets be more thoughtful of what can or can't be done is all I'm saying. The reality as I said before is very different from those wishful thinkers on here.

 

[The Gentleman]

The key word there gentlemen was the word assumed. You make many assumptions as do others and myself included but these assumptions are your own and not anyone else's. We do indeed agree on wanting SISU gone but I do not agree that is simply because we hate the bastards. Currently they and they alone are what keeps our club alive and with a future. If you can tell me there is a big investment on the horizon waiting to come in then great but we all know there is none so lets be more thoughtful of what can or can't be done is all I'm saying. The reality as I said before is very different from those wishful thinkers on here.

Come on then, what IS the reality or just something YOU will think will happen? And yes I do hate the fucking bastards for what they have done and are still doing to the club I've loved since I was a kid because I love CCFC, Sisu couldn't give a fuck about CCFC, the fans, the city or anyone else connected to it. Football is an emotional game and do you just expect people to stop loving or hating just because someone thinks it's the sensible thing to do? Sisu are not the only thing that keeps this club afloat either, it is you me and every other CCFC fan who keep going back for me despite Sisu. Lastly, rather than keep the club alive it feels more like life support machine beeps everytime we hear yet more bullshit from Sisu. You want and keep asking for dialogue, sadly for you it is only going to be a one sided conversation. That is unless of course you actually get and and do something. If you did you might get shot down like you and others do to people like Michael and Gosford Green but at least you might get a bit more respect for having a go.

 

[dongonzalos]

Maybe we should accept we are where we deserve to be, no revenues from the stadium and league 1 attendances makes for a league 1 team.

If we had 25k attendances and all stadium revenues we would be in a much better position to make an assault to the premier league whilst remaining financially sound.

You are probably right. 25k and all the revenues. We nearly had that once we ended up 70 million in debt didn't we?

How much does those revenues we are missing out in earn us exactly

 

[italiahorse]

If you hold one up then you really ought to know what you are truly trying to kick out and what is coming in to replace it? Without any inkling of that, how can you be so single minded?
Now if we had detail of a takeover that was both feesable and potentially sounded like an offer not to be refused, I'd hold one up straight away and call for SISU's head.

Unfortunately that is not what is happening in this suggestion, so why disrupt the team spirit? Why demonstrate to the manager and team (the very lads on the pitch) that you hate the owners and have no trust in them to deliver? How do you think that makes the players and staff feel? Not a good way forward is it?
Only ego's will be served by this action of a few who, to my mind do not represent the majority of our fan base.

We should be supporting the team to win. Success on the pitch can only deliver what you want eventually. We are a stricken club currently and any one thinking we can just get SISU out and find the holy grail to a better road immediately after, is deluded and fails to understand the clubs current plight.

Can't help feeling that rather than continually oppose SISU why don't we demonstrate the will to engage with SISU and force that issue?
They desperately need a successful club going forwards and once you get onside with your enemy you may find common ground to defeat them, or in this case harbour their exit.

I don't care.
Sisu are taking us to hell in a hand cart.
Anything is better than this slow death.
Where will these cards be ?

 

[italiahorse]

Maybe we should accept we are where we deserve to be, no revenues from the stadium and league 1 attendances makes for a league 1 team.

If we had 25k attendances and all stadium revenues we would be in a much better position to make an assault to the premier league whilst remaining financially sound.

TF himself has said we are getting some incomes from the stadium deal.
Just need to start winning and the attendances will come.

Sisu can attempt to get a deal that gives us what we require or we can take everybody to court.