Latest Sisu legal challenge put on hold (12 Viewers)

chiefdave

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With the rate these articles are appearing you'll be able to get some chocolate hob nobs with the ad money :)
 

Mary_Mungo_Midge

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It says it's because the courts want JR #1 settled first.

It's certainly because so much of #2 will overlap with #1. Losing #1, as will surely happen, will be like entering #2 in a situation whereby you've lost the first leg of a two-leg semi-final 7-0.

But there's certainly wisdom in waiting until the existing process has run it's lengthy course
 

fernandopartridge

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It's certainly because so much of #2 will overlap with #1. Losing #1, as will surely happen, will be like entering #2 in a situation whereby you've lost the first leg of a two-leg semi-final 7-0.

But there's certainly wisdom in waiting until the existing process has run it's lengthy course

JR#1 has run for approx 2 years now I think from original application. This is like the old days of the FA cup with 5 replays etc.
 

shmmeee

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It's certainly because so much of #2 will overlap with #1. Losing #1, as will surely happen, will be like entering #2 in a situation whereby you've lost the first leg of a two-leg semi-final 7-0.

But there's certainly wisdom in waiting until the existing process has run it's lengthy course

Would be a bit silly to start another now to be fair. Let's say the oral hearing succeeds and by some miracle the ACL loan is deemed state aid, where does that even leave Wasps? (anyone?)

Obviously, if the first one fails, they can extend their pressure. I'm not sure how it would impact to be fair. If the loan to ACL was legal, the sale to Wasps can still be illegal. Especially considering the main point from JR1 was that the council held a stake in ACL so didn't have to act like other investors. Whereas JR2 would likely be about whether CCC favoured Wasps over Sisu for non-applicable reasons.

To be honest, seems a bit silly as the two offers were different enough for there to be a solid claim that the Wasps deal was more in line with the aims of the Charity and CCC (the ticket money to AEHC, other community stuff, the fact that bringing in Wasps will have a regenerative effect (arguably, which is all that's needed)). It doesn't matter whether people think one offer was better or not, as long as a reasonable person could claim the decision was based on the bids. Which they can, no question. JR1 made it clear that a local authority can make political decisions.


Edit: this is why the Reid stuff coming out about what Ann Lucas thought about Sisu is irrelevant. She's perfectly allowed to hate Sisu and feel it's not in the best interests of Coventry to deal with them. Again, talking legally WRT the JR, not morally, or whatever.
 
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The Gentleman

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It says it's because the courts want JR #1 settled first.

I was once told that a Police inspector got cut up by a taxi on the way to doing a night shift at the station. That night taxi drivers lives were made a misery and for a few weekends after apparently. I just wonder whether saying the things that were said about the judge and his findings after the JR had rubbed some people up the wrong way. Obviously guess work on my part but human nature and all that...........
 

skybluebeduff

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I was once told that a Police inspector got cut up by a taxi on the way to doing a night shift at the station. That night taxi drivers lives were made a misery and for a few weekends after apparently. I just wonder whether saying the things that were said about the judge and his findings after the JR had rubbed some people up the wrong way. Obviously guess work on my part but human nature and all that...........

SISU are a pathetic company not an elite mafia.
 

shmmeee

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I was once told that a Police inspector got cut up by a taxi on the way to doing a night shift at the station. That night taxi drivers lives were made a misery and for a few weekends after apparently. I just wonder whether saying the things that were said about the judge and his findings after the JR had rubbed some people up the wrong way. Obviously guess work on my part but human nature and all that...........

Bit more oversight on the courts than the local Police though...
 

fernandopartridge

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I was once told that a Police inspector got cut up by a taxi on the way to doing a night shift at the station. That night taxi drivers lives were made a misery and for a few weekends after apparently. I just wonder whether saying the things that were said about the judge and his findings after the JR had rubbed some people up the wrong way. Obviously guess work on my part but human nature and all that...........

Are you saying Tim Fisher is now driving a black cab?

Ps - how's tricks mate?
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
seems a sensible thing to happen to me and a course of action that both sides have agreed to

The query I have is now this new action involves Otium does that mean the club (which is Otium trading as CCFC) will be liable for a share of the legal costs of the second action if it fails?
 

Thenose

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Would be a bit silly to start another now to be fair. Let's say the oral hearing succeeds and by some miracle the ACL loan is deemed state aid, where does that even leave Wasps? (anyone?)

It leaves WASPS as owners of the stadium. There is not going to be some magic performed, the sale won't be reversed, they won't be forced to vacate. The sale was concluded legally.

What may happen is SISU win damages from CCC...
 

Sub

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seems a sensible thing to happen to me and a course of action that both sides have agreed to

The query I have is now this new action involves Otium does that mean the club (which is Otium trading as CCFC) will be liable for a share of the legal costs of the second action if it fails?

Didn't fisher say it has nothing to do with CCFC it was a totally separate thing to the football club all this legal action that is going on ??
 

Sky Blue Kid

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seems a sensible thing to happen to me and a course of action that both sides have agreed to The query I have is now this new action involves Otium does that mean the club (which is Otium trading as CCFC) will be liable for a share of the legal costs of the second action if it fails?
Oh dear! More debt loaded onto the football club. That must load the Club with at least another £30m of debt
 

Rusty Trombone

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seems a sensible thing to happen to me and a course of action that both sides have agreed to

The query I have is now this new action involves Otium does that mean the club (which is Otium trading as CCFC) will be liable for a share of the legal costs of the second action if it fails?

And a share of the income if it wins.
 

SkyBlueSid

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All this means is that we now have "Hopeless Sisu court case for 2014-15" to be followed by "Hopeless Sisu court case for 2015-16."

So - no funds available to strengthen team for a promotion push out of League 2 next season.
 

martcov

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It says it's because the courts want JR #1 settled first.

Up until now, the courts are not interested in SISUs crap. They have again made negative comments. This time about the length of the skeleton arguments. Thus the refusal of the appeal. Yes they want JR #1 out of the system, and I think they will politely tell SISU to F.O..
 

John_Silletts_Nose

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The courts believe that this is a new legal action and have put it on hold yet Tim Fisher told the Trust that was not a new legal action but a legal necessity,
"The Trust was in communication with Tim Fisher this morning to get clarity about this matter and he has reassured us that this is not a totally new action but more of a legal necessity concerning the existing JR appeal."
http://www.skybluetrust.co.uk/?start=3

It appears that the Fisher has been misleading in his statements to the Trust as it is a totally new legal action, although not unrelated to an existing appeal.
 

skybluetony176

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The courts believe that this is a new legal action and have put it on hold yet Tim Fisher told the Trust that was not a new legal action but a legal necessity,
"The Trust was in communication with Tim Fisher this morning to get clarity about this matter and he has reassured us that this is not a totally new action but more of a legal necessity concerning the existing JR appeal."
http://www.skybluetrust.co.uk/?start=3

It appears that the Fisher has been misleading in his statements to the Trust as it is a totally new legal action, although not unrelated to an existing appeal.

The judge got it wrong. Again. It's the only logical explanation.
 
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Skyblueweeman

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Right, can someone do some sort of flow diagram of court cases (past, present and likely) with potential outcomes please? #confused
 

cloughie

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Why not do a flow diagram of Fisher bullshit it should be a reasonably constant high straight line
 
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Jack Griffin

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Didn't fisher say it has nothing to do with CCFC it was a totally separate thing to the football club all this legal action that is going on ??

That was 3 weeks ago.
 

Rusty Trombone

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When you go to court you seek "relief", you ask the court to make a ruling. The ruling sought by Sisu is that the loan by the Council is state aid and thereby illegal. I'm not sure there is a compensation claim?

You're presumably not suggesting though that they are proceeding with the action to make a point?
 

SkyBlueSid

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Right, can someone do some sort of flow diagram of court cases (past, present and likely) with potential outcomes please? #confused

Potential outcomes are not difficult to forecast. Sisu's win-loss ratio is considerably worse than Pressley's. W:0 D:0 L:the rest.
 

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