Strachan days (2 Viewers)

[fernandopartridge]

Exactly the point.
You only have to look at some of the rubbish that kept us in the top flight over the years. Bobby Gould had to build a team from scratch when Sexton left, signing players from the bottom two divisions and non league.
Then look at Strachan's squad.

Following them all round the country and getting beaten again and again. Then he'd pop up on MOTD making wise cracks.

Grade A twat.

Absolutely spot on mate.

 

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[fernandopartridge]

Selective memory? Erm how do you work that out? Between 97 and 2001 I witnessed some great football by some world class players. It was a privilege. We beat the villa away for the first time ever. Quarter final of the FA cup (which we should have won) wins against man utd, Liverpool, arsenal and Chelsea. All at the time the best clubs in the league. Loads of goals and plenty of memorable games and moments. And your judgement of managers leaves a lot to be desired. I remember you saying on here thorn was a good manager. Lol

Quarter final that we should have won

Relegated when we should have stayed up

It's fine lines in this game

 

[fernandopartridge]

Any one of our previous managers could have took us down prior to Strachan, only good fortune and other teams results saved us on may occasions. And saying he had more than any other City manager to spend is a fallacy, he was the only City manager that really had any decent money to spend, and comparative to other clubs in the PL at the time, it was peanuts.

Utter nonsense. The £6m we paid for Keane, for example, wasn't bettered by our peer clubs for years after, if indeed it was.

 

[The Lurker]

Quarter final that we should have won

Relegated when we should have stayed up

It's fine lines in this game

Should have stayed up? No chance. We sold our best players (sell familiar?) and replaced them poorly. If we had kept keane, hadji and macca, we would have stayed up.

Those days were brilliant supporting ccfc. Look at the football then compared to now. You seem to and torchmatic tolerate sisu on here but yet slag the team off when we were beating man utd, Liverpool, arsenal. Bizarre. I'd take those days in flash compared to now

 

[skybluelee]

Even Don Howe couldn't relegate us.

He had a fucking good go though.

 

[skybluelee]

My view, based purely on the squad at his disposal, is that Phil Neal was our most successful manager. To finish midtable in the PL 93/94 with a squad including Morgan, Rennie, Harford, Boland, Flynn, Sheridan, Pickering (Ally), Robertson, Jenkinson, Darby, Kruszinski and Gayle was nothing short of astonishing.

 

[Deleted member 5849]

He had a fucking good go though.

That he certainly did!

Diabolical stuff.

Which kind of shows just what an achievement it was for Strachan to take us down...

 

[The Lurker]

My view, based purely on the squad at his disposal, is that Phil Neal was our most successful manager. To finish midtable in the PL 93/94 with a squad including Morgan, Rennie, Harford, Boland, Flynn, Sheridan, Pickering (Ally), Robertson, Jenkinson, Darby, Kruszinski and Gayle was nothing short of astonishing.

The top flight league then was to a very low standard. Take Man U out the equation it was a very tight and open league. Near the end of 90's it was one of the best leagues in Europe

 

[rob9872]

Utter nonsense. The £6m we paid for Keane, for example, wasn't bettered by our peer clubs for years after, if indeed it was.

but with money we didn't have and sold half a season later fir double. Made money on Dublin, sold without his knowledge (familliar city trait) made on hartson, ndlovu and others (Jarni lol!). It was an era of explosion in transfer market, but I can't imagine his net spend was huge in his tenure. What happened to it?? I guess Richardson knows the answers!!

 

[rob9872]

I put relegation down to Craig Bellend before Strachan and him not being allowed to sign hartson sooner.

 

[fernandopartridge]

but with money we didn't have and sold half a season later fir double. Made money on Dublin, sold without his knowledge (familliar city trait) made on hartson, ndlovu and others (Jarni lol!). It was an era of explosion in transfer market, but I can't imagine his net spend was huge in his tenure. What happened to it?? I guess Richardson knows the answers!!

Did Strachan not know about the clause in Dublin's contract?

Luckily he wasn't allowed to waste £6.5m on Bellamy and then £5m on Hughes

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Liked him better as a player for us-delivered some fantastic performances that were often on a different plane entirely to our other players. He could have done a Stanley Matthews and kept us up into his 50's if he'd wanted to!

As a manager, he was never the same after this bloke left us: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Miller

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

My view, based purely on the squad at his disposal, is that Phil Neal was our most successful manager. To finish midtable in the PL 93/94 with a squad including Morgan, Rennie, Harford, Boland, Flynn, Sheridan, Pickering (Ally), Robertson, Jenkinson, Darby, Kruszinski and Gayle was nothing short of astonishing.

My Coventry City Championship Manager 93/94 starting XI:


------Nuddy-Sumo--Wegerle-----
-------------Lamptey--------------------
----Hurst---McGrath---Robson (C)----
------------Atherton-------------------
-------Morgan---Busst----------------
-------------Oggy---------------------


Reserves: Rennie, Babb, Borrows, Flynn, Boland, Harford, Sheridan.


2 CB's, DMC, 3 CM's, Support, 3 ST's. Just pipped Arsenal to the title. Maybe Neal would have done the same if he'd signed Nii Lamptey?!?

Incidentally I got Sheridan worth 5m after one season in my L2 Stockport Utd save. In that team, Adebola scored twice in my 3-1 FA Cup final win against Norwich

 

[Nonleagueherewecome]

Arguably our most successful managers in history were John Sillet and George Curtis - Since the day they left there post we are on our 16th Manger - surprisingly for those that chooses to pull him to pieces Steven Pressley is currently in 5th place with percentage games won- some other surprises down the list - our most successful Mark Robins our worst by a long way Andy Thorn

(1) Mark Robins 51.52%
(2) Eric Black 45.45%
(3) Roland Nilsson 44.19%
(4) Ian Dowie 40.82%
(5) Peter Reid 37.04%
(6) Steven Pressley 35.62%
(7) Micky Adams 33.33%
(8) Terry Butcher 33.33%
(9) Gordon Strachan 32.71%
(10) Phil Neal 31.34%
(11 )Aidy Boothroyd 30.77%
(12)Bobby Gould 30.51%
(13) Chris Coleman 29.06%
(14)Gary McAllister 27.63%
(15)Ron Atkinson 25.68%
(16) Andy Thorn 18.37%

You've got to give some weighting to division/level of opposition. No way is Pressley or Reid a more successful manager for us than Neal, Strachan, Gould or Atkinson-or even Coleman!

 

[rob9872]

Did Strachan not know about the clause in Dublin's contract?

Luckily he wasn't allowed to waste £6.5m on Bellamy and then £5m on Hughes

He learnt from Gregory as opposed to Richardson that he'd gone to villa. I guess that confirms who was pulling the strings. Are we chastising Sillett for drinkell? In hindsight bellend and Hughes were dreadful but when they signed I didn't hear complaints, sometimes it doesn't work out. In fact Stockport when Hughes scored on debut and we all thought we'd we'd ounce straight back, there were choruses of who needs John haryson we've got lee Hughes. A bottle of hindsight would be a great seller.

 

[ccfc1234]

Makes me slightly emotional seeing those games remember being a 14 on lad in the west terrace for some of the games. Today's generation have been robbed of the highfield road atmosphere and the way we were a force. SISU out yes but we need someone with a mindset to build a club to replace them.

 

[covboy1987]

You've got to give some weighting to division/level of opposition. No way is Pressley or Reid a more successful manager for us than Neal, Strachan, Gould or Atkinson-or even Coleman!

Did realise that that the difference in standards etc would have a bearing but on the same token some of the managers had funds at there disposal (millions of pounds)- the likes of Pressley has nothing - This sorts of evens things up a bit - for example if we had kept our first team from last year Wilson, Clarke etc then no doubt Pressley would be higher up the table- the percentage wins goes down in history and managers are judged irrelevant of what league or funds they have - in 50 years time nobody is going to remember that Strachan had millions at his disposal the likes of Pressley very little

 

[fernandopartridge]

He learnt from Gregory as opposed to Richardson that he'd gone to villa. I guess that confirms who was pulling the strings. Are we chastising Sillett for drinkell? In hindsight bellend and Hughes were dreadful but when they signed I didn't hear complaints, sometimes it doesn't work out. In fact Stockport when Hughes scored on debut and we all thought we'd we'd ounce straight back, there were choruses of who needs John haryson we've got lee Hughes. A bottle of hindsight would be a great seller.

That's a fair point, most disappointing was selling Aloisi to bring in Hughes. Bellamy was the right player, wrong time and Hartson was signed too late. Hindsight as you say is a wonderful thing.

 

[Evo1883]

Cant remember another manager that made fans run over to the dugout and throw season tickets in their face , yes we were a good side for a year and a half of his tenure , wouldve made europe with another 3 wins finishing 7 points off 5th , but at times it was very underwhelming under strachan , and he also had a love of certain players (telfer) yes he tried but just didnt cut the mustard

 

[Gosford Green]

OK GS spunked a few million and got us relegated.

But ...........

1998 Villa Park: That Boatang run, Moldavan from 5 yards and the fans reaction behind the goal, actually all over the ground Cov were leaping around.

Meet him a few time including once at the Woodhouse in Princethorpe, My lad was about 8 at the time and he spotted he had a home top on and happily chatted away with him, seemed an all round nice bloke.

 

[torchomatic]

Now, let's clear a few things up here. I tolerate SISU because there's no one else. Do I like them? No. And I haven't slagged the team off at all, I've slagged Strachan off. I'm sure even you'll see there's a difference there.

I have never said there weren't good times when he was here. I've never said the team was poor while he was manager. However, I believe with the players he had and the resources he had at his disposal there was no way we should have been relegated. You mention later that the Premiership was "one of the best leagues in europe". Yes, it always has been. However, the PL was different then. Smaller teams could still make an impact and have a good crack at it.

You, of course, listed some great games there. But strangely, didn't list the stonking home defeat to Newcastle. Or the humiliating thrashing at Tranmere. THat's what I'm saying about being "selective".

And, yes some good players were sold, but we still had Hadji, Bellamy, Hartson, Breen when we were relegated.

Good times yes, great players, yes. Good manager? No, not for me.

Should have stayed up? No chance. We sold our best players (sell familiar?) and replaced them poorly. If we had kept keane, hadji and macca, we would have stayed up.

Those days were brilliant supporting ccfc. Look at the football then compared to now. You seem to and torchmatic tolerate sisu on here but yet slag the team off when we were beating man utd, Liverpool, arsenal. Bizarre. I'd take those days in flash compared to now

 

[lordsummerisle]

Should have stayed up? No chance. We sold our best players (sell familiar?) and replaced them poorly. If we had kept keane, hadji and macca, we would have stayed up.

My memories not what it was, but sure I can remember being at Villa Park when we got relegated and Hadji scoring two goals to put us 2-0 at half-time.

 

[torchomatic]

Exactly. Hadji played in the game that relegated us, so his argument doesn't really add up.

My memories not what it was, but sure I can remember being at Villa Park when we got relegated and Hadji scoring two goals to put us 2-0 at half-time.

 

[Sky Blue Dal]

He learnt from Gregory as opposed to Richardson that he'd gone to villa. I guess that confirms who was pulling the strings. Are we chastising Sillett for drinkell? In hindsight bellend and Hughes were dreadful but when they signed I didn't hear complaints, sometimes it doesn't work out. In fact Stockport when Hughes scored on debut and we all thought we'd we'd ounce straight back, there were choruses of who needs John haryson we've got lee Hughes. A bottle of hindsight would be a great seller.

They all seem to forget Keane, who he signed. Worked wonders for us.

 

[fernandopartridge]

They all seem to forget Keane, who he signed. Worked wonders for us.

Richardson signed Keane. Nice investment for his mates that one, 115% return over a year. Not sure who the mates were but have my suspicions.

 

[Jarvo]

At least he had a personality and said it as it was. Pressley is a joke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utFtLv_lbHw

 

[davebow87]

Knew at the start of the season we were going down. Sell your best midfielder who had been brilliant the previous season and your top goal scorer, plus a final game at Villa Park.... The writing was on the wall.

 

[Grendel]

Knew at the start of the season we were going down. Sell your best midfielder who had been brilliant the previous season and your top goal scorer, plus a final game at Villa Park.... The writing was on the wall.

The final game wasn't at Villa Park.