bigfatronssba
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So long as we're treating them as separate entities then, fans have turned their backs on the owners, not the club.
If you have any feelings towards Coventry City football club (5 Viewers)
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So long as we're treating them as separate entities then, fans have turned their backs on the owners, not the club.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Which is fair enough, so their hatred of SISU is greater than their love for the club.
bigfatronssba
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Or their love of the club is greater than a selfish need to see a football match?
See how anything can be spinned?
Who owns the club? who is making this football club what it is?
SkyBlue_Bear83
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If it was just about seeing a football match there are plenty of other clubs to go see, people go to see Coventry because thats there club. Are you saying those who are staying away are doing it for the 'greater good' and that the low attendances are beneficial to the club?
I don't spin, I just say it as it is.
robbieray
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We could have used these free tickets then give the money to charity, that way we go and support the team but the money will go to good cause
SkyBlue_Bear83
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SISU, but I don't support them I support Coventry City.
Gosford Green
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That year in Northampton and the contempt SISU show towards fans has lead me to not see it as my club anymore.
Singing SISU out at the same time as paying them money is in the running for contradiction of the week award.
I will skip tonight.
Singing SISU out at the same time as paying them money is in the running for contradiction of the week award.
I will skip tonight.
I love city have done since my dad, grand dad and me as a 4 year old stood on a milk crate borrowed from the little tea/pie shop by the crows nest.
I have seen some great games at highfield, some desperate times and troubled times..but nothing compares to what we have now.
I have spent thousands over the years home and away taking both my sons with me, now i'm 50 I am making my own protest along with fellow friends over our deplorable owners and the damage they have inflicted on my club..
I am waiting for change and it will come, eventually...in the mean time it doesn't stop me contributing to the conversations on this web site.
We will be back one day..one day in the future and that's what keeps me going.
fernandopartridge
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Fair enough
bigfatronssba
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Getting rid of Sisu would be up there with the greatest achievements in CCFC's history.
In some peoples mind staying away will help accelerate Sisu's departure by costing them more money to run the club.
Therefore, in their opinion, short term low attendances are good for the long term future of the club.
Sky Blue Kid
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@ ecky...A superb post mate. One I have got a great deal of empathy with.
Kingokings204
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Yes it is and sadly how many people feel.
Sky Blue Pete
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bigfatronssba
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Then it wont make any difference will it?
SkyBlue_Bear83
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How well has their plan gone so far?
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Well it will make a difference as it will just help drive us further down the league pyramid.
bigfatronssba
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We wont know that until sisu go will we?
bigfatronssba
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How will it do that then?
Nonleagueherewecome
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Used to every game, but then the owners moved the club to Northampton. A large part of my love for the club died during that year away and the owners are going to have to work very hard to win me back regularly, especially at that gate price. So far they haven't done a very good job of that...
Johnrambo
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Sorry, cant make the trip from Denmark.
SISU are driving us down the pyramid, it's SISU who are making all the decisions, imposing management charges and paying themselves huge chunks of debt interest, it's SISU who have given the manager a glut of kids and a handful of short term loanees to work with and it's SISU who picked the organ grinder who seems to be making a lot of errors with his latest collection of monkeys.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Less supporters, less money, worse team, relegation more likely.
If people staying away from the club don't achieve there aim to make SISU leave, then its only result will be detrimental to the club. Simple really.
I might be missing your point but are you saying it makes absolutely no difference if we have 5k or 20k attending under SISU?
SkyBlue_Bear83
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Well attendances have been declining since they came in so its fair to say up until now the plan has been unsuccessful.
Cov kid 55
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Pete, I'm sorry, I have to make an excuse, I can't make it tonight! But I'm with you and the boys in spirit - it's a big game so good luck to all the fans there this evening, and to SP and the team! PUSB!!
bigfatronssba
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When considering loan interest & legal fees I am willing to wager the club is currently loss making. If income was to increase (due to higher attendances), what scenario do you think is more likely?
A) Sisu use this extra money to improve the squad.
B) Sisu use this extra money for club running costs, reducing what they have to put in.
If its B, then its not going to make a jot of difference to our league position.
bigfatronssba
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Well there up about 7k on last season.
SkyBlue_Bear83
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It would depend on how much the losses are (which is only speculation on your part, if Fishers comment about cash flow positive is interpreted as break even then all the extra revenue could go towards the team, although it could mean something different) and also how much the extra revenue the club would get from increased attendances, you forgot option C
C) Revenues continues to decrease because of dwindling attendances, SISU further cut the playing squad as they don't want to increase their funding. If this doesn't get rid of SISU as the goal is then its only effect is further damaging to the club.
Maybe we should have stayed at Sixfields then, starve them out quicker.
Completely skirted the point anyway, dwindling attendances for the past however many years and they haven't even come close to leaving
Sky Blue Kid
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@ CCFC.......5k-10k-20k-25k.....None of those figures have bothered SISU up to now mate. They did f**k all about investment in the team when we were getting 20k-25k crowds. So why would it bother them getting 4k-5k? Remind me....What is the rent deal atm? Whatever it is, SISU are saving about 800k-900k per year? on rent deal as opposed to when they went on rent strike £1.3m or am I wrong?
It's all about trust 'CCFC' and nobody trusts the hedge fund to do the right thing with any extra funds anyway. I used to fight the cause like you, I bloody dragged people up to see the City, including all my kids and paid for all of them, I felt like I was contributing, not now, they've trashed any affinity I feel with their despicable actions. I was willing to give them a chance when we came back to Cov but then they started all the bullshit again ! I might well be back now and again but it's not a must now it's a maybe !
SkyBlue_Bear83
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So if they aren't bothered about attendances, why is the logic being used that staying away will make them leave?
And they did invest to a degree initially anyway until they changed there strategy, also point out at that time when we were getting 20k running costs were much higher with wages and high rent as well as other things.
hutch1972
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That is a myth, a club can charge what it likes for entry to league matches but it must include away fans in all but a set number of games.
bigfatronssba
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Well I don't believe the club is breaking even, just my opinion.
I accept your option C, but then you have to ask, would that make much difference anyway?
As I see it, the club will never progress under Sisu (even if 20k were up there I can only see them using that money to reduce either losses or debt). Therefore, while they are here, we are at best league 1 indefinitely.
So we're in a situation where we can be a league 1 club for the next 20 years, or we can take a gamble that will result in us being either a league 2 club (if it goes wrong), or finally start to progress on the pitch and maybe get back to the championship (if it goes right).
Interesting thing about Sixfields is the low attendances there are what brought us back.
As for all the other years, they have only been declining significantly in the last few years. In between Sisu taking over in Dec 2007, and Fisher becoming chairman in early 2012, they fell by about 4k. A gradual decline in attendances like that should have been easy for the club to adapt to.
A short sharp decline is much harder to budget for however (like the one that brought the club back from Sixfields), and could cause some movement.
