Waggot - what's the point (8 Viewers)

[Grendel]

'Kid in a sweet shop' was the quote ref: Thorn and centre backs... and why we ended up with so many.

Waggot offered him Malaga and the Edge, Thorn got all excited so we ended up with both. Thorn wanted a centre back, Waggot found one... or two.

Can't be arsed to find it but there's your prompt...

I'm not finding it. I'm adopting the astute stance of saying it's there and find the link yourself if you don't believe it.

It's not even a subject to debate - it's a fact - what's most disturbing is the emotional response by cretain posters to defend waggot.

 

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[Astute]

I'm not finding it. I'm adopting the astute stance of saying it's there and find the link yourself if you don't believe it.

It's not even a subject to debate - it's a fact - what's most disturbing is the emotional response by cretain posters to defend waggot.

So you say that you know for sure that Waggott chose every player but can't show the slightest proof but if anyone disagrees they are sticking up for Waggott? Strangely enough I have said many things against Waggott. But I prefer to see evidence before finding someone guilty of something and not doing it after having a guess.

Seems like you have given up on sticking up for SISU and anyone who has anything to do with them at last :claping hands:

 

[Deleted member 5849]

Actually it didn't quite work like that - had good chat with Waggott about this when he was guest speaker at the Trust last month. The identification of the players was joint, in fact I got the feeling many were identified by Waggott who showed them to Thorn and said do you want him and Thorn would say yes or no (according to Waggott because he had been starved of players the previous summer Thorn was a bit like a kid in a sweet shop and wanted eveyone!) and then Waggott would go off and get them. He told us the story of Malaga and Edge where they had identified Malaga and Waggott told him he had an even better player from Greece and which one did Thron want - both please was the reply!

I fully agree with you if after the dust settles and if we do have new owners I would hope that Waggott stays - he's a football guy through and through and we will need someone like him

 

[Grendel]

So you say that you know for sure that Waggott chose every player but can't show the slightest proof but if anyone disagrees they are sticking up for Waggott? Strangely enough I have said many things against Waggott. But I prefer to see evidence before finding someone guilty of something and not doing it after having a guess.

Seems like you have given up on sticking up for SISU and anyone who has anything to do with them at last :claping hands:

Seems like thanks to NW you've got a huge egg yolk on your head.

I do wonder if you can actually read - not once have I said he chose every player.

 

[Astute]

Waggot's role in the recruitment strategy of players over the last few seasons has proved him unfit for purpose.

The fiasco of signing that idiot from Brentford shows him to be utterly clueless as has his shambolic strategy regarding goalkeepers.

He went for "names" like tudgay Jackson etc on God knows what wages which also flopped

In truth when he has dunderheads like Pressley and thorn it doesn't matter.

Now we have a real manager we need to keep. Will he stay when the strategy for recruitment is this hopeless clown?

I hope fisher has some influence still and fires this clueless chancer as we need Mowbray big time.

So are you saying that Waggott chooses the players or not?

Is his main fault backing a manager in the players he wanted if not?

 

[Grendel]

So are you saying that Waggott chooses the players or not?

Is his main fault backing a manager in the players he wanted if not?

slither, slither, backtrack, backtrack.

 

[Astute]

slither, slither, backtrack, backtrack.

Knew you would have to eventually.

 

[georgehudson]

someone should give waggott the thumbs up about the newly created vacancy at sunderland,
given the strength & depth of his football knowledge he'd be a shoe in,
i know of quite a few who'd drive him there for free

 

[Astute]

someone should give waggott the thumbs up about the newly created vacancy at sunderland,
given the strength & depth of his football knowledge he'd be a shoe in,
i know of quite a few who'd drive him there for free

I'd drive him there and pay him to go.

 

[Grendel]

Knew you would have to eventually.

Have you seen the quotes now that confirm I was right? Perhaps you missed them?

 

[Astute]

Have you seen the quotes now that confirm I was right? Perhaps you missed them?

Do you mean the quote from someone that you always call a bullshitter and never ever agree with? And the quote was about Thorn so were you wrong about him if you say this is correct?

 

[Grendel]

Do you mean the quote from someone that you always call a bullshitter and never ever agree with? And the quote was about Thorn so were you wrong about him if you say this is correct?

I see you are now really struggling.

let's make this simple - in light of the comments made at the trust meeting do you accept that waggot has had a big influence on transfers into the club?

A simple yes or no will suffice.

 

[Astute]

Have you seen the quotes now that confirm I was right? Perhaps you missed them?

That was all about Thorn being helped with bringing in players? Thorn......the manager you blamed for everything.......yes did read. Di you read properly or think it was about SP as well?

 

[Grendel]

That was all about Thorn being helped with bringing in players? Thorn......the manager you blamed for everything.......yes did read. Di you read properly or think it was about SP as well?

That's interesting.

That is the policy that Waggot had at the club. I have never seem him declare a change of strategy -- do you have a link?

 

[Grendel]

Do you mean the quote from someone that you always call a bullshitter and never ever agree with? And the quote was about Thorn so were you wrong about him if you say this is correct?

Is this Jan? Never called him a bullshitter -- do you have any evidence?

 

[shmmeee]

Well this is a lovely thread.

 

[skybluetony176]

I'm confused. Does this all mean that Andy Thorn is no longer on Grendulls list of people to blame instead of SISU?

Sorry. I mean his I know SISU carry some of the blame but... list.

 

[Grendel]

I'm confused. Does this all mean that Andy Thorn is no longer on Grendulls list of people to blame instead of SISU?

Sorry. I mean his I know SISU carry some of the blame but... list.

I love it when the sheep try and join in with some attempt at banter.

 

[skybluetony176]

I love it when the sheep try and join in with some attempt at banter.

Presumably you regret starting that Pressley must go thread the other week? Now you've established it's all down to SW.

 

[Grendel]

Presumably you regret starting that Pressley must go thread the other week? Now you've established it's all down to SW.

It seems you also need reading lessons along with Astute.

 

[Astute]

It seems you also need reading lessons along with Astute.

Not really. Just less backtracking from yourself.

Were Thorn and SP as shit as you decided or was a lot of it down to Waggott as you have decided that he chose their players?

 

[Grendel]

Not really. Just less backtracking from yourself.

Were Thorn and SP as shit as you decided or was a lot of it down to Waggott as you have decided that he chose their players?

Can you please find a quote where I said they were all his players?

 

[skybluetony176]

It seems you also need reading lessons along with Astute.

Perhaps if SW does find himself out of a job he could put you down for a character reference.

I bet he'd love "Waggot-what's the point" on his CV.

 

[Grendel]

Waggot has always admitted to being heavily involved in the recruitment process. It's why he came here.

The point seems lost on you. In the thorn era it's understandable why waggot had a prominent role. Thorn would not have been capable of signing players on his own. Between them they contrived to bring such quality as Malaga Brown edjuingele Ball and even paid a fee for Barton.

Robins was a different era. He got his squad together though waggot "helped" with some early loans that were soon shipped back.

With Pressley again it was just get as many people in and see what happens. Even Pressley admitted afterwards that a lot of the players were not scrutinised enough before purchase.

Mowbray - like Robins - is a real football manager. Not a clueless dummy like thorn or a pseudo intellectual (but ultimately useless) like Pressley. He will want a far more active role than either of those two and doesn't need waggot playing his own version of football manager.

I mention fisher as I assume he is still paid and still has seppella's ear. He strikes me as someone who isn't stupid. He should stick his head above the parapet and tell her that we need to keep Mowbray and we don't need the Geordie who fancies himself as Jose Mournhio.

Not really. Just less backtracking from yourself.

Were Thorn and SP as shit as you decided or was a lot of it down to Waggott as you have decided that he chose their players?

Please learn to read

 

[stupot07]

I would prefer to see how he plays now we have Mowbray. All our midfielders suffered whilst SP was in charge. IMO he played much better for MR than SP. The one thing SP seemed to do well was make all our players look poor.

I can't remember Fleck featuring or standing out particularly under robins, the preferred midfield was
Jennings Baikey
Baker Moussa/sheff sheff/moussa

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[Astute]

Please learn to read

So forget about the rest of what you have put and now go for these few words?

 

[Grendel]

So forget about the rest of what you have put and now go for these few words?

What else did I say?

 

[Astute]

I can't remember Fleck featuring or standing out particularly under robins, the preferred midfield was
Jennings Baikey
Baker Moussa/sheff sheff/moussa

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When he played for MR he was much better than when he played for SP. But this is the same for just about any player that played for both.

 

[Tonylinc]

Has nobody else yet worked out what Waggott is up to? You are all intelligent people and it should not be too hard; mind you with TM now in charge it might be more difficult for him.

 

[dongonzalos]

tbf I kind of agree with him.

For all his technical ability, and potential, he hasn't been very... effective.

He is our top assists and finally know he has been unleashed that will only increase.
This kind of reminds me of Baker who also consistently setting up most our goals. Yet Grendel would slag him off. Now look at him.
When you have players with ability of Baker and Fleck and you are in division 3. You have to play to their strengths as they are a class above many players in the division so you need to make the most of them.

Fleck with a proper defensive midfielder beside him will flourish

 

[Deleted member 5849]

He is our top assists

A bit like saying Thorn was the thinnest at a pie eater's convention.

 

[dongonzalos]

A bit like saying Thorn was the thinnest at a pie eater's convention.

He was......

 

[dongonzalos]

A bit like saying Thorn was the thinnest at a pie eater's convention.

He was..........

 

[stupot07]

A bit like saying Thorn was the thinnest at a pie eater's convention.

Exactly 4 assists in 39 games is nothing to write home again. Pugh had 2 in 7 games.

He's right down on the league's list

http://origin-www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalAssists/0,,10794~201425,00.html

Absolutely nothing like baker.



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[Nick]

If it helps, Fleck scores me shit loads of free kicks on FIFA?