Jimmy's Statue (8 Viewers)

[italiahorse]

Why do you even ask the question? I've worked on tours that involved hiring the Ricoh, I've posted that information and now you're in denial!

Post it again and I'll take my bullshit filter off.
The subject may be okay but it also picks up on user names.

 

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[Nick]

Post it again and I'll take my bullshit filter off.
The subject may be okay but it also picks up on user names.

Doesn't work very well, it still lets you post.

 

[stupot07]

http://www.ricoharena.com/documents/263/original/Ricoh-Arena-Brochure.pdf

Other than the picture of the empty bowl, not a hint of our existence in the Ricoh brochure.


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[Nick]

You're the one blindly saying we should sign up with Wasps for decades to come no matter how bad the deal is and how little chance it gives us of progressing past our current level.

Sums it up pretty much, it is all about the Ricoh for some. Pretty sad really, kind of selfish how there can't be another option.

 

[italiahorse]

I want what is best for the club. I am not letting personal interests get in the way when saying it is the Ricoh or nothing.

I need to see evidence before I see a better option than the ricoh.
I want to see evidence that we have tried to work with Wasps and failed.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

If you trust Sisu you are a bigger fool than I think you are.
If you want to move without seeing any detail then it is confirmed.

Don't think its about trusting SISU, we all know SISU will only do stuff that further there own agenda.

What would SISU benefit from by charging the club an extortionate rent and keeping all revenues to themselves? It would just mean we go further down the pyramid and the club lose more money and SISU have to pump in more money to the club, it would make much more sense to use the revenues from the stadium to help us compete in the championship and then sell the club as a top half championship club who own there stadium.

All pointless discussion anyway as they don't look capable of producing a stadium

 

[Nick]

http://www.ricoharena.com/documents/263/original/Ricoh-Arena-Brochure.pdf

Other than the picture of the empty bowl, not a hint of our existence in the Ricoh brochure.


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In fdairness, it does say:

The Ricoh Arena is home to Aviva PremiershipRugby team Wasps and Coventry City FootballClub.

 

[Nick]

I need to see evidence before I see a better option than the ricoh.
I want to see evidence that we have tried to work with Wasps and failed.

I want to know why people are Ricoh or nothing. I want to see people wanting the best for the club (whether that is Ricoh, New Stadium etc) rather than their own strange love for a Stadium.

If the best deal is at the Ricoh going forward, then great. If it is a new stadium, then so be it.

I am not going to give "but the ricoh is by my house" as a reason to be against it.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I don't even get mad at italias views anymore, wasn't he was on of the biggest pro sisu posters a while back?

 

[stupot07]

In fdairness, it does say:

I didn't read it!!! Just looked at the pics. So mentions us then has 3 pics of wasps, 1 Davis cup, 2 Olympics and not one image of us....


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[Nick]

I don't even get mad at italias views anymore, wasn't he was on of the biggest pro sisu posters a while back?

Yeah, making images and everything.
Then against clubs moving.
Then giving up every day.
Then delighted Wasps moved and won't have a bad word said.
Telling everybody they are negative (after he often posted about giving up daily)

 

[italiahorse]

No one is saying move without seeing any detail, they are saying don't discount the possibility that a new stadium offers a better future and that it should be fully investigated.

You're the one blindly saying we should sign up with Wasps for decades to come no matter how bad the deal is and how little chance it gives us of progressing past our current level.

I've never said that.
I have said that we should pursue all we can get from Wasps to see where that takes us.
Sisu should show us the future, tell us the economic set up, tell us where it is etc and then we can make a decision.

I suspect though that any discussion with wasps is paused whilst Sisu have to go through the process of a JR and with stadium talk for leverage.
In addition Sisu don't actually want to place the stadium in Coventry because they don't want Coventry to benefit.

FFS you couldn't write it.

 

[chiefdave]

In addition Sisu don't actually want to place the stadium in Coventry because they don't want Coventry to benefit.

CCC have clearly stated there is no viable location within the city boundary for a new stadium.

 

[italiahorse]

Don't think its about trusting SISU, we all know SISU will only do stuff that further there own agenda.

What would SISU benefit from by charging the club an extortionate rent and keeping all revenues to themselves? It would just mean we go further down the pyramid and the club lose more money and SISU have to pump in more money to the club, it would make much more sense to use the revenues from the stadium to help us compete in the championship and then sell the club as a top half championship club who own there stadium.

All pointless discussion anyway as they don't look capable of producing a stadium

I think it's all about ticking over in L1 at break even, waiting until Wasps fail.
Trouble is only the die hard are attending because the majority have moved on.

Met a lot of CCFC fans at Wasps yesterday that are sick of the matchday experience and rightly or wrongly have joined the wasps bandwagon.
At least I attend both at the moment and can say I will be a CCFC season ticket holder for next season.
Wasps moving to Saturday will mean I probably won't go to Wasps as I also go to most away matches.
A lot of people will have to make that decision.

 

[italiahorse]

CCC have clearly stated there is no viable location within the city boundary for a new stadium.

... and TF has told Rugby BC that Sisu don't want a stadium that will benefit Coventry.
In theory that means it will be nearer Rugby than Coventry in my mind. If that proves the case I'm out.

Certainly not 60 Acres. But if RBC can find some green belt why can't Coventry ?

 

[chiefdave]

But if RBC can find some green belt why can't Coventry ?

There is already a city plan in place that covers Coventry, Cllr Maton who is responsible for planning, confirmed to the CT that there was no site in the city that could potentially be used for a new stadium.

RBC are currently working on their city plan, there is an opportunity for a new stadium to be included as part of that plan hence the September deadline. I suspect that any stadium in Rugby would likely be somewhere like Ansty or Broadstreet.

 

[stupot07]

Met a lot of CCFC fans at Wasps yesterday that are sick of the matchday experience and rightly or wrongly have joined the wasps bandwagon.

Wasps moving to Saturday will mean I probably won't go to Wasps as I also go to most away matches.
A lot of people will have to make that decision.

And that my ol'mucka is exactly what wasps want and why we'll be lucky to get any good long term deal off them.


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[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Jimmy Hill should remain sacred


This picture was circulating on Twitter last night after Wasps fans decided to give the Jimmy Hill statue at the Ricoh Arena a make-over.
It was certainly meant in a light-hearted manner but unfortunately seemed disrespectful to a Coventry City legend.

No idea who Jimmy Hill is... But apparently he is a Wasps fan! pic.twitter.com/BUBf8plSZp
— Caz Young (@The_Caz) May 9, 2015​

Jimmy epitomises the spirit of a city that was rebuilt following the war. He took the Sky Blues to the old Division One in 1967 where they remained for 34 years and the statue at the stadium was erected as a result of £100,000 fan donations.
Imagine the furore if that was football fans and a Wasps statue involved. Time to leave Jimmy alone next season folks.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/rugby/record-ricoh-arena-crowd-five-9225666

 

[italiahorse]

There is already a city plan in place that covers Coventry, Cllr Maton who is responsible for planning, confirmed to the CT that there was no site in the city that could potentially be used for a new stadium.

RBC are currently working on their city plan, there is an opportunity for a new stadium to be included as part of that plan hence the September deadline. I suspect that any stadium in Rugby would likely be somewhere like Ansty or Broadstreet.

City plans are done every so many years so it could be included in the next one.
Rugby also has no suitable site, that is why it needs to be requested in green belt.
As such it could also be requested in Coventry green belt.
Both would fail local planning guidelines and would be referred to Central government.
Ansty and Broadstreet would benefit Coventry not Rugby so would surely not satisfy RugbyBC criteria on Community or Sisu criteria of not benefiting Coventry.

 

[italiahorse]

And that my ol'mucka is exactly what wasps want and why we'll be lucky to get any good long term deal off them.


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It's more to do with TV incomes than Coventry City fans I believe.
Love it how instantly you suggest it effects any long term deal.
More unknown reasoning from the suicidal six.

 

[chiefdave]

The next city plan for Coventry is due to be 2031. Even moving relatively quickly we'd be looking at 2035 onwards for a new ground. Personally with those time scales I don't think it's something we need to worry about just yet and makes sense to look at other options that give a more acceptable timescale.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

The reason why Wasps are moving to Saturday is so they have an extra day rest between games. They don't want to play a home game on Sunday and then have to play an away match on the Friday/Saturday. That was the supposed reason given anyway.

 

[Otis]

The sooner we get away from there Nd build our own stadium the better. still can't believe that some are so desperate to defend and play it down.

But at the same time I don't see how just saying the sooner we get away and build our own stadium helps much either, unless you are not at all bothered about where it is.

The key to building any new stadium, should it happen, is that it needs to be close to Coventry. No use if it's 10-12 miles away, as the crowds would just drop further. As has been said eleventy billion times by different posters over the past couple of years or so, we need to find a location and it can't just be any old location anywhere.

Be careful what you wish for. Any new stadium has to be close to Coventry. Rather naive to just say let's get away from the Ricoh and build a stadium.

First things first. IF a new stadium WAS to be on the cards (I still don't believe it), then a location has to be identified and the City faithful have to be informed. If the feedback to a new stadium was then really negative because fans decided it is too far away, then it would be pointless going ahead with the project, because it would be pure folly.

For a new stadium to work, the fans must be onboard with it.

 

[italiahorse]

The next city plan for Coventry is due to be 2031. Even moving relatively quickly we'd be looking at 2035 onwards for a new ground. Personally with those time scales I don't think it's something we need to worry about just yet and makes sense to look at other options that give a more acceptable timescale.

Looks bullshit to me pal but prove me wrong.

Coventry Local Plan What next?

Rugby Local Plan Rugby Borough Local Plan - Emerging Plan-Making ...

Both plans seem to be following the same timescale ?

 

[Sick Boy]

I think it's all about ticking over in L1 at break even, waiting until Wasps fail.
Trouble is only the die hard are attending because the majority have moved on.

Met a lot of CCFC fans at Wasps yesterday that are sick of the matchday experience and rightly or wrongly have joined the wasps bandwagon.
At least I attend both at the moment and can say I will be a CCFC season ticket holder for next season.
Wasps moving to Saturday will mean I probably won't go to Wasps as I also go to most away matches.
A lot of people will have to make that decision.

Then you and them are a fucking disgrace. The post earlier about a London rugby club defacing Highfield Rd was excellent; there is no passion amongst our support and the fact that some even welcome Wasps is disgusting. Sadly we will have the club that fans like you deserve. A tin pot club going nowhere. In fact owners like sisu suit your apathetic lot perfectly.

 

[stupot07]

It's more to do with TV incomes than Coventry City fans I believe.
Love it how instantly you suggest it effects any long term deal.
More unknown reasoning from the suicidal six.

Do you think it's clever to belittle suicide the biggest killer in men aged 25-50?

If it was all down to TV revenues (which are pretty much agreed for the next few years) why the need to move? Why the need to gift thousands of tickets trying to build a fan base if having a fanbase doesn't matter?

On the current deal what do wasps make from us?

£100k rent

circa £26k F&B profit (Ave spend £2.90 per person per game based on 11/12)

Parking? 300-400 cars £17.2k - £23k (less vat and costs to administer/security)

So around £150k per annum,

Or gaining 2-3k fans. Mid price ST is £350

So £700k -£1m (less vat) for ST's

Let's say 100 come by car - £7k less vat and admin/security costs

We know there's a culture of hanging around and spending more on F&B's, as they can drink all the way through. Let's say average spend is x3 football (£8.70). Those 2-3k is worth £22.5-£33.7k.

Then let's say half bought a programme each - £42-63k

And 1/4 buy a shirt - £20- 30k.

So us renting is worth £150k pa

Them poaching 2-3k fans is worth around c£850-£1.3m


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[italiahorse]

Do you think it's clever to belittle suicide the biggest killer in men aged 25-50?

If it was all down to TV revenues (which are pretty much agreed for the next few years) why the need to move? Why the need to gift thousands of tickets trying to build a fan base if having a fanbase doesn't matter?

On the current deal what do wasps make from us?

£100k rent

circa £26k F&B profit (Ave spend £2.90 per person per game based on 11/12)

Parking? 300-400 cars £17.2k - £23k (less vat and costs to administer/security)

So around £150k per annum,

Or gaining 2-3k fans. Mid price ST is £350

So £700k -£1m (less vat) for ST's

Let's say 100 come by car - £7k less vat and admin/security costs

We know there's a culture of hanging around and spending more on F&B's, as they can drink all the way through. Let's say average spend is x3 football (£8.70). Those 2-3k is worth £22.5-£33.7k.

Then let's say half bought a programme each - £42-63k

And 1/4 buy a shirt - £20- 30k.

So us renting is worth £150k pa

Them poaching 2-3k fans is worth around c£850-£1.3m


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It's not Wasps poaching. It's Sisu making the club collateral damage in their hostile play for the Ricoh.
Underfunding the team due to the associated move to Northampton.
Resulting in fans match day experience being poor to non existent.
Wasps match day experience is all about the fans. Try it and perhaps I might value your opinion.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Yea because I'm sure stupot is desperate for you of all people to value his opinion

 

[Hobo]

Jimmy Hill would of approved of franchising, he was motivated by the £. Got rid of minimum wage, commercialised CCFC, jumped ship for a better contract at the BBC, came back as a director, chased the dollar in America, got rid of terracing, sold Gary Thompson and others undermining Dave Sextons promising team.

I would rather eat a jar of marmite with a spoon. He was great until he sold out to the BBC, thank god Sky were not around to fund his ego.

 

[rupert_bear]

Jimmy Hill would of approved of franchising, he was motivated by the £. Got rid of minimum wage, commercialised CCFC, jumped ship for a better contract at the BBC, came back as a director, chased the dollar in America, got rid of terracing, sold Gary Thompson and others undermining Dave Sextons promising team.

I would rather eat a jar of marmite with a spoon. He was great until he sold out to the BBC, thank god Sky were not around to fund his ego.

Well said sir

 

[Nick]

It's not Wasps poaching. It's Sisu making the club collateral damage in their hostile play for the Ricoh.
Underfunding the team due to the associated move to Northampton.
Resulting in fans match day experience being poor to non existent.
Wasps match day experience is all about the fans. Try it and perhaps I might value your opinion.

I am sure loads of people are bothered about if you value their opinion. At least most opinions on here aren't biased in some way so they can be judged as neutral whichever way this may be on where we play.

As for being all about the fans, if CCFC move we will see if you think moving teams for good is all about the fans and what you think then. It will be another U Turn no doubt. Like a dog chasing it's tail going round and round, and round, and round again.

 

[italiahorse]

I am sure loads of people are bothered about if you value their opinion. At least most opinions on here aren't biased in some way so they can be judged as neutral whichever way this may be on where we play.

As for being all about the fans, if CCFC move we will see if you think moving teams for good is all about the fans and what you think then. It will be another U Turn no doubt. Like a dog chasing it's tail going round and round, and round, and round again.

They seem bothered about my opinion otherwise they wouldn't respond to it.

All about the fans relates to the match day experience not moving the team.
Nice to do both but if CCFC move to Rugby I'll just settle for Wasps.

 

[stupot07]

They seem bothered about my opinion otherwise they wouldn't respond to it.

All about the fans relates to the match day experience not moving the team.
Nice to do both but if CCFC move to Rugby I'll just settle for Wasps.

the irony



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[italiahorse]

the irony



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Listen up Sisu !!
I'm not alone.

 

[italiahorse]

Then you and them are a fucking disgrace. The post earlier about a London rugby club defacing Highfield Rd was excellent; there is no passion amongst our support and the fact that some even welcome Wasps is disgusting. Sadly we will have the club that fans like you deserve. A tin pot club going nowhere. In fact owners like sisu suit your apathetic lot perfectly.

Jog on. It's a free world.
Target your anger at Sisu not CCFC season Ticket holders.