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mrtrench

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It's been said many times before but I still don't believe that SISU has any intention of building a new stadium. 'Twas all posture to try and get the Ricoh asset for a song. An even shorter song than the one Wasps sang.
 

wingy

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Just ad an addendum have heard this morning there are some form of lower level redundancies among the day to day, possibly Hosting and definitely Dave Buust
Not entirely sure but it could be simple separating out of SBITC as Buusty is settling or moving something else along and has offered jobs to some of those affected
Have asked for more info to clarify
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
I wouldn't think that such a development in Baginton is going to be plain sailing in terms of planning which means time and money costs

- the local residents are not going to be happy (Baginton and down through in to Finham)
- The infra structure round Tollbar end might be being improved but the roads around the airport leave many problems
- there will be considerable parking issues
- CCC carries a considerable interest in the area and will need to be involved in planning that's apparently an issue for SISU
- public transport is at the moment insufficient and will require CCC involvement
- out of town retail sites are not flavour of the month (will need retail to support build costs), is there even a need in the area for another retail site? That could be a problem if the stadium is to be piggy backed on other developments
- will additional retail be viewed positively against plans already in place?
- it is still greenbelt despite it being involved in the Gateway project. That Gateway project seems to have been centred on warehousing which would see less in the way of traffic peaks etc
- Floodlights so close to the runway might be an issue- especially when there is little other light pollution in the area
- is there a planning issue with the Ryton Training base so close? It has already been turned down for other uses hasn't it?

Not too long to wait to find out where as the initial planning has to be in by September. After that if it is that site I can foresee many challenges and even if successful the first brick not being laid for years

Wouldn't a developer need to at least brief the surrounding authorities if there is an infrastructure implication?

This is the original gateway plan
http://www.roxhill.co.uk/portfolio/coventry/masterplan/
 
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rupert_bear

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This thread is almost too dumb to comment on, but IF a ground was built in that area even somewhere near to the Ryton training ground within 3 months we would be enjoying gates akin to the Sixfields farce
 

Manchester_sky_blue

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This thread is almost too dumb to comment on, but IF a ground was built in that area even somewhere near to the Ryton training ground within 3 months we would be enjoying gates akin to the Sixfields farce

I don't think so, not now. Since Wasps bought the Ricoh the whole feeling about playing elsewhere has changed. It's not the deal breaker that it was before.
 

Otis

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This thread is almost too dumb to comment on, but IF a ground was built in that area even somewhere near to the Ryton training ground within 3 months we would be enjoying gates akin to the Sixfields farce


I don't think we would, but I do think gates will drop. It's going to be harder to get to than the Ricoh, especially now with the rail station in place at the latter.
 

skybluetony176

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This thread is almost too dumb to comment on, but IF a ground was built in that area even somewhere near to the Ryton training ground within 3 months we would be enjoying gates akin to the Sixfields farce

I can't see that myself. Personally I could live with it being by the airport. Maybe it's because I'm from Rugby but I've always thought of the area as Coventry.

The problem I have is that I just can't see it happening for reasons from I don't believe SISU have any intention of building a stadium to I can't see planning being approved, for much the same reasons as OSB has pointed out.
 

LB87ccfc

Member
Really excited about the possible new stadium near Baginton Airport - this is Cov to me (although it might be under RBC's jurisdiction) - I think this would be awesome - and no need to worry about the traffic, the work they are doing on that area and kamikaze island is going to make the traffic flow so much better through that area.

Plus you get some cracking views of Cov from around there (from Baginton), especially of the three spires.

PUSB!

Are you drunk or on drugs or both?
 

theferret

Well-Known Member
I wouldn't think that such a development in Baginton is going to be plain sailing in terms of planning which means time and money costs

- the local residents are not going to be happy (Baginton and down through in to Finham)
- The infra structure round Tollbar end might be being improved but the roads around the airport leave many problems
- there will be considerable parking issues
- CCC carries a considerable interest in the area and will need to be involved in planning that's apparently an issue for SISU
- public transport is at the moment insufficient and will require CCC involvement
- out of town retail sites are not flavour of the month (will need retail to support build costs), is there even a need in the area for another retail site? That could be a problem if the stadium is to be piggy backed on other developments
- will additional retail be viewed positively against plans already in place?
- it is still greenbelt despite it being involved in the Gateway project. That Gateway project seems to have been centred on warehousing which would see less in the way of traffic peaks etc
- Floodlights so close to the runway might be an issue- especially when there is little other light pollution in the area
- is there a planning issue with the Ryton Training base so close? It has already been turned down for other uses hasn't it?

Not too long to wait to find out where as the initial planning has to be in by September. After that if it is that site I can foresee many challenges and even if successful the first brick not being laid for years

Wouldn't a developer need to at least brief the surrounding authorities if there is an infrastructure implication?

This is the original gateway plan
http://www.roxhill.co.uk/portfolio/coventry/masterplan/

Some of those points are valid, not sure about the issue of residents objecting is massively relevant though. The site is east of the airport accessed direct of the A45 (where the Holiday Inn is), and I imagine there would be no through route to Baginton at all, and I'm not sure how residents of Finham could reasonably object. This also falls outside of the 'Coventry Gateway' site (just). Still greenbelt though. Not sure of the viability myself, but certainly more doable than some sites that have been mentioned previously.
 

LB87ccfc

Member
I am confused, the majority of posters say they do not believe a new stadium will be built ( which it won't) but yet every time someone adds a story or a whisper about it its the number one topic discussed, why discuss something that you feel will never be built?

Or is it a hidden feeling amongst many that hope a new stadium is built and you can all thank Fisher for it.
 

shmmeee

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Wouldn't be at all surprised if the Airport, Rigby been losing serious amounts of money there, only got it for the Gateway which doesn't appear to be happening now.

Planning permission could be a problem though, though sure the sensitive souls in Bubbenhall and Stoneleigh wouldn't be so bothered as long as fans aren't flying over their houses.

The land all owned by CCC though so would rule have ruled out the "not working with CCC" thing, though things do change when pragmatism takes hold.

Strangely seem to remmber half of it was CCC for planning permission and half WCC, but the new terminal was in the WCC bit.

Shouldn't have been a problem anyway as WCC had granted outline permission for a terminal up to 5million people a year I think for years, but somebody on the airport legal side fucked up and allowed it to lapse, hence the locals able to get their objections in.


Whilst certainly a large enough area, and a pretty good site really, especially as the death roundabout improvements will all be completed by the time anything could possibly be built, think too many obstacles from planning and political sides for there.

Interesting post that. Cheers.

I'd be happy with that site. That's Coventry enough for me.
 

shmmeee

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I am confused, the majority of posters say they do not believe a new stadium will be built ( which it won't) but yet every time someone adds a story or a whisper about it its the number one topic discussed, why discuss something that you feel will never be built?

Or is it a hidden feeling amongst many that hope a new stadium is built and you can all thank Fisher for it.

Of course we all want a new ground, or at least a permanent ground, the doubt is entirely in Sisu's ability to deliver.
 

Samo

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Not in the least. Just wondering when it comes to Wasps, a "True Coventrian" wouldn't watch them, but no mention of "True Coventrians" not watching "Blaze"......Curious?

I take your point. I suppose over time people forget the history and get on board as they have done with Blaze and will do with Wasps, although I'm not excusing it. I think its the speed and willingness to turn that I find a bit distasteful.
 

LB87ccfc

Member
Of course we all want a new ground, or at least a permanent ground, the doubt is entirely in Sisu's ability to deliver.

Thanks for the clarification, it is lovely how everyone rolled over had their bellies tickled and done nothing for a ground that was ours in the first place but failed to listen when advised the council were doing the dirty ( like I pointed out long before it was completed).

Cannot wait for the 18,000 legoland to be built.
 

Samo

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I am confused, the majority of posters say they do not believe a new stadium will be built ( which it won't) but yet every time someone adds a story or a whisper about it its the number one topic discussed, why discuss something that you feel will never be built?

Or is it a hidden feeling amongst many that hope a new stadium is built and you can all thank Fisher for it.

It's not confusing for me, I think it won't but hope it does.
 

rupert_bear

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Because no fucker can get there, might have escaped your notice but 90% of support comes from within the Coventry boundary and most can't be arsed to go to the edge of Longford to watch us so who will bother with a rural hike to Baginton village, no-one unless we are the new Barcelona. Club would be dead within a couple of years. In fact just in time for Coventry United to climb a couple of more leagues and pitch in for the vacant slot at the Ricoh !
 

shmmeee

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Thanks for the clarification, it is lovely how everyone rolled over had their bellies tickled and done nothing for a ground that was ours in the first place but failed to listen when advised the council were doing the dirty ( like I pointed out long before it was completed).

Cannot wait for the 18,000 legoland to be built.

Obviously we disagree about why we're currently homeless. But believe me we're equally unhappy about the fact.
 

skybluetony176

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I take your point. I suppose over time people forget the history and get on board as they have done with Blaze and will do with Wasps, although I'm not excusing it. I think its the speed and willingness to turn that I find a bit distasteful.

I find it inevitable myself. Especially given everything SISU have done to turn the good folk of Coventry and Warwickshire away from CCFC.

Makes you wonder if plan B is/should be to starve wasps out by claiming back your fan base. It would certainly make sense of the appointment of TM and a willingness to let him take control of football side.
 

stupot07

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I find it inevitable myself. Especially given everything SISU have done to turn the good folk of Coventry and Warwickshire away from CCFC.

Makes you wonder if plan B is/should be to starve wasps out by claiming back your fan base. It would certainly make sense of the appointment of TM and a willingness to let him take control of football side.

Agree to an extent. Ccfc needs to win the fans back but I would also say that ccfc fans could do the club a favour by also boycotting wasps.


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skybluetony176

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Agree to an extent. Ccfc needs to win the fans back but I would also say that ccfc fans could do the club a favour by also boycotting wasps.


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You'll be pleased to know that I'm just doing that. Even at the risk of upsetting my best mate who wants to go and thought I'd automatically go with him just because I've been dragging him to games of a football team he doesn't support for years including a couple last season.

You can choose your friends but you can't choose your football team :)
 

Otis

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I find it inevitable myself. Especially given everything SISU have done to turn the good folk of Coventry and Warwickshire away from CCFC.

Makes you wonder if plan B is/should be to starve wasps out by claiming back your fan base. It would certainly make sense of the appointment of TM and a willingness to let him take control of football side.


Hmm, well on the Wasps point, while we stay at the Ricoh we need to totally outsell Wasps on the attendances front. it puts us in a much stronger position if we are getting 13,000 - 15,000, while they are only get 5,00 - 6,000.

We need to be the major sporting team in this city and remain so and the more success we have, the important we are to this city.
 

olderskyblue

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How many CCFC fans do you think go to Wasps? Just curious. I don't know anyone who does. I wonder if it's a large number or not?
 

donald_trumps

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Because no fucker can get there, might have escaped your notice but 90% of support comes from within the Coventry boundary and most can't be arsed to go to the edge of Longford to watch us so who will bother with a rural hike to Baginton village, no-one unless we are the new Barcelona. Club would be dead within a couple of years. In fact just in time for Coventry United to climb a couple of more leagues and pitch in for the vacant slot at the Ricoh !

Hmm, people do have cars, and there are regular buses! The A45 links to the M1, A46 (M69) and M42, and people can't get there?!?! Plus a lot of people from South Coventry can't be bothered to hike to Longford, however Baginton would be much more accessible for us.
 

LB87ccfc

Member
Hmm, well on the Wasps point, while we stay at the Ricoh we need to totally outsell Wasps on the attendances front. it puts us in a much stronger position if we are getting 13,000 - 15,000, while they are only get 5,00 - 6,000.

We need to be the major sporting team in this city and remain so and the more success we have, the important we are to this city.

Wasps will never be part of Coventry they can lead a merry dance all they want, in my eyes they are a franchise and will never be the number one sporting side in Coventry.
 

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