no_loyalty
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Can somebody tell me if Ann Lucas has done anything good for the City of Coventry, because I'm struggling to think of anything
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westofrayne
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Somebody who loves the sound of her own voice, like Blatter, believes she is loved by everyone! Won't be happy until she goes into history books of Cov. Wounder if she is planning her own statue for Broadgate.
People of Cov, you have to get her out of office ASAP #evil
People of Cov, you have to get her out of office ASAP #evil
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In her defence, her work for womens' charities and victims of domestic violence is worth a mention.
no_loyalty
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Couldn't agree more, surprised she has never been lynched to be honest
Grendel
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Sssssh doesn't go down well on here.
torchomatic
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She got one over on SISU! Worth it whatever the cost to the local football team. LOL, etc etc.
Sky Blue Pete
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She's been a faithful public servant for 40 years
Otis
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Ah, but this is Sky Blues Talk. You are either good or bad, right or wrong and there is nothing in-between.
Grendel
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Thatcher likewise -- is that the qualification for "good"?
Sky Blue Pete
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Domestic violence stuff is powerful national role.
Probably to those that love thatcher yes. Politics and society were changed by her
Otis
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Grendel
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And much of it for the better
Otis
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Lolololololololololololololololololololololololol
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Grendel
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No you are right - we'd have been far better with Michael Foot, Eric Heffer and Anthony Wedgewood Benn running the country.
Out of Europe, governed by a Marxist militant Union dictat that would have made North Korea look democratic and nuclear disarmed at a time when there was a real threat.
Anyone who seriously suggests that you'd be living in a better country now had she been defeated in that election is absurd. There was an extremist anarchic union that needed destroying and thank God she did.
Otis
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skybluetony176
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And to think I used to quite like you.
All of a sudden I do like him. I couldn't agree more with him on this occasion.
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And to think I used to quite like you.
He's certainly going down in my estimation:slap:
Anyway, Thatcher's public service would probably count in the 'plus' column for me, as I'm pretty sure she was there because she thought she was doing the right thing.
Ahe certainly wasn't, and was a mentalist but hey, even dictators are sometimes nice to their Mums eh? Nobody's *all* evil incarnate, no matter how hard they try to hide it by snatching milk from the hands of kids.
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Grendel
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Yes the abolition of free milk.
Still it could have been worse. The children could have been spending hours in total darkness during the energy crises and they certainly would have been looking at a desolate future in terms of employment. A land where hope, ambition and desire for self advancement would have been ruthlessly frowned upon by the marxist dicatators that governed the Labour Party. A country where which had its ambitions set in some unholy alliance with the Russian despots at the Kremlin. At one point under the hapless Callaghan regime even the dead were not allowed the dignity of a prompt burial.
The odious machine of Heffer, Robinson and in particular the anarchist Scargill had to be defeated. Scargill, the flag waiver of anti-democracy, was a typical example of his time. Someone who sent his troops (undemocratically of course as he refused a ballot) into starvation, hopelessness and dispair while he continued to take his inflated union leaders salary. A truly contemptible human being.
I'm no great fan of Thatcher actually, for other reasons, but at that time it really was an essential victory that had to be made. The thought of Lord Anthony Wedgewood Benn pulling the strings even now makes me shudder.
Providing opportunities for home ownership and share ownership for millions again was of course sneered at by the marxist bureaucracy who saw the stranglehold they had over their subjects ebbing away.
The one thing I do mourn at over Thatcher's passing (well Major was the last I guess) was that this was the last generation of real politicians. Working people from lower middle class backgrounds who aspired to serve the people. Once again the odious Benn and his cohort Williams destroyed this for ever by abolishing grammar education which gave hope to many generations of working classes. Instead they were condemned to the cesspit of comprehensive education. Equality for all, well except for the Marxists who continued to educate their children in a selective system.
That one decision alone condemned us to the faceless career political non entities we now have. Whatever you think of Thatcher at least you'd have an opinion of her as opposed to the faceless bland creatures that now inhabit Whitehal.
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That is indeed true, although of course the cunter to that is that she could be actively hated by half the population and more, and still wield power. What she did realise is she needed to motivate people to be roused to passion and opinion... but the consequence of that was that it didn't actually *matter* to her if she was hated by many.
Edit: Was going to edit out the typo, but actually it seems more appropriate left in!
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Grendel
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So you'd have preferred the alternative at the time then - an undemocratic fascist movement totally at the behest of a Marxist union movement which had known interests with the Soviet Union?
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The language used against Attlee by the Conservatives post-WW2...Interestingly Wilson, whether motivated by senility or because there was something in it, was convinced that the establishment were planning a coup and Mountbatten was going to be installed as figurehead. Now that wouldn't have been democratic...
Anyway, assuming you're meaning Scargill and not Callaghan's bunch that lost in '79, which certainly couldn't be considered radical... Scargill was the worst thing to happen to the NUM for many-a-year. His predecessor realised the importance of the coal industry, but also the importance of playing the game. Scargill wanted to orchestrate revolution...
However the response, again, was totally disproportionate. To destroy communities afterwards seemed more an act of vengeance than any genuine desire to modernise. The response was ruthless, cruel and callous. Families and proud men were crushed, the legacies remain today where empty desolate wastelands still exist... Thatcher is still *hated* in certain areas and you can see why, as she tore out their life and way of life for limited reasons other than political point scoring.
And we pay for that now in a wider sense, where there's a cult of individualism, looking to the short term, and little sense of a collective. One man was fatally wounded by his over stretching his aims, but to punish the many for one man's vanity is flawed.
There's a big difference between curbing walkouts because the jam sandwiches aren't jammy enough, and destroying all rights to keep the masses oppressed. That's not what conservatism was, either. Well... not if you take out Churchill's idea of it anyway.
Marxism, incidentally, is interesting to throw out as an insult or a signifier of fear... given Marx himself was all for capitalism as a necessary stage of progress. I don't see, and I will never see, what is wrong with standing up for workers' rights. Unfortunately now it's a squabble to see who can drag who down to the lowest level.
Grendel
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Interestingly Wilson, whether motivated by senility or because there was something in it, was convinced that the establishment were planning a coup and Mountbatten was going to be installed as figurehead. Now that wouldn't have been democratic...
Anyway, assuming you're meaning Scargill and not Callaghan's bunch that lost in '79, which certainly couldn't be considered radical... Scargill was the worst thing to happen to the NUM for many-a-year. His predecessor realised the importance of the coal industry, but also the importance of playing the game. Scargill wanted to orchestrate revolution...
However the response, again, was totally disproportionate. To destroy communities afterwards seemed more an act of vengeance than any genuine desire to modernise. The response was ruthless, cruel and callous. Families and proud men were crushed, the legacies remain today where empty desolate wastelands still exist... Thatcher is still *hated* in certain areas and you can see why, as she tore out their life and way of life for limited reasons other than political point scoring.
And we pay for that now in a wider sense, where there's a cult of individualism, looking to the short term, and little sense of a collective. One man was fatally wounded by his over stretching his aims, but to punish the many for one man's vanity is flawed.
There's a big difference between curbing walkouts because the jam sandwiches aren't jammy enough, and destroying all rights to keep the masses oppressed. That's not what conservatism was, either. Well... not if you take out Churchill's idea of it anyway.
Marxism, incidentally, is interesting to throw out as an insult or a signifier of fear... given Marx himself was all for capitalism as a necessary stage of progress. I don't see, and I will never see, what is wrong with standing up for workers' rights. Unfortunately now it's a squabble to see who can drag who down to the lowest level.
So who would you have voted for Foot or Thatcher?
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Steel.
Grendel
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Mmmmmm - never going to be Prime Minister was he.
Who would the country have been better off with -- Thatcher or Foot as PM?
Grendel
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Michael Foot, Nigel Farage, John Redwood and Bill Cash all have shared a common policy -- the classic Little Englander policy of removing the UK from the EU haven't they?
Sky Blue Pete
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Peace and free trade
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Nations and nationalism is a pretty modern idea anyway, so all we're doing is reverting to tradition.
bigfatronssba
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Interestingly Wilson, whether motivated by senility or because there was something in it, was convinced that the establishment were planning a coup and Mountbatten was going to be installed as figurehead. Now that wouldn't have been democratic...
Anyway, assuming you're meaning Scargill and not Callaghan's bunch that lost in '79, which certainly couldn't be considered radical... Scargill was the worst thing to happen to the NUM for many-a-year. His predecessor realised the importance of the coal industry, but also the importance of playing the game. Scargill wanted to orchestrate revolution...
However the response, again, was totally disproportionate. To destroy communities afterwards seemed more an act of vengeance than any genuine desire to modernise. The response was ruthless, cruel and callous. Families and proud men were crushed, the legacies remain today where empty desolate wastelands still exist... Thatcher is still *hated* in certain areas and you can see why, as she tore out their life and way of life for limited reasons other than political point scoring.
And we pay for that now in a wider sense, where there's a cult of individualism, looking to the short term, and little sense of a collective. One man was fatally wounded by his over stretching his aims, but to punish the many for one man's vanity is flawed.
There's a big difference between curbing walkouts because the jam sandwiches aren't jammy enough, and destroying all rights to keep the masses oppressed. That's not what conservatism was, either. Well... not if you take out Churchill's idea of it anyway.
Marxism, incidentally, is interesting to throw out as an insult or a signifier of fear... given Marx himself was all for capitalism as a necessary stage of progress. I don't see, and I will never see, what is wrong with standing up for workers' rights. Unfortunately now it's a squabble to see who can drag who down to the lowest level.
Whilst I can almost accept this argument at face value, it seems to completely ignore the fact that most mines didn't close under Thatcher. Wilson close nearly double the amount that Thatcher did, yet he gets away scott free from the bitterness that exists from ex-miners.
The argument has always seemed to be that Wilson closed mines because he was excepting the economic realities, but Thatcher closed them out of some motive of spite.
Otis
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Yeah and of course when the Conservatives were in power here in Coventry everything was rosy in the garden wasn't it!
Successive councils have buggered up this city over a long period of time and the Conservatives are just as much to blame for that too. They were in power here for a while in the 1970's and again for 6 years between 2004 and 2010.
Awful job by a succession of councils.
Astute
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Say what you want but when you have people that have come to this country to live saying that we need to slow down the flow of immigrants to the country that something needs to be done. We have laws being dictated by those that have noting to do with this country. They make us send money to countries in aid when they have their own nuclear weapons instead of spending it where it is needed.....then a lot of the aid money doesn't go where it should. And all this whilst we are cutting aid to those that need it in our own country. Human rights? FFS. A murderer can stay in this country if he gets a bird pregnant but has nothing to do with the kid, but someone with parents born here can't stay as they don't need the human rights help.
And that is just for starters. I am not saying that we need to leave the EU. But we need to be able to rule ourselves. And you are in your own bubble if you can't see anything wrong with the EU.