Ann Lucas (1 Viewer)

[Tad]

Yeah and of course when the Conservatives were in power here in Coventry everything was rosy in the garden wasn't it!

Successive councils have buggered up this city over a long period of time and the Conservatives are just as much to blame for that too. They were in power here for a while in the 1970's and again for 6 years between 2004 and 2010.

Awful job by a succession of councils.

I wasn't supporting the Tories. I'll never support either Lab or tories. They're both different sides to the same crappy coin.

 

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[Otis]

I wasn't supporting the Tories. I'll never support either Lab or tories. They're both different sides to the same crappy coin.

Yes, agree with that and they both voted unanimously on the sale of the Ricoh to Wasps.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Yeah and of course when the Conservatives were in power here in Coventry everything was rosy in the garden wasn't it!

Successive councils have buggered up this city over a long period of time and the Conservatives are just as much to blame for that too. They were in power here for a while in the 1970's and again for 6 years between 2004 and 2010.

Awful job by a succession of councils.

Conservatives at least got rid of the canopy over Broadgate

 

[Grendel]

Say what you want but when you have people that have come to this country to live saying that we need to slow down the flow of immigrants to the country that something needs to be done. We have laws being dictated by those that have noting to do with this country. They make us send money to countries in aid when they have their own nuclear weapons instead of spending it where it is needed.....then a lot of the aid money doesn't go where it should. And all this whilst we are cutting aid to those that need it in our own country. Human rights? FFS. A murderer can stay in this country if he gets a bird pregnant but has nothing to do with the kid, but someone with parents born here can't stay as they don't need the human rights help.

And that is just for starters. I am not saying that we need to leave the EU. But we need to be able to rule ourselves. And you are in your own bubble if you can't see anything wrong with the EU.

If you believe all of that then you do want to leave the EU

I don't see the immigration issue to be honest. It doesn't personally impact on my life and I don't see the country as full.

 

[Sick Boy]

I'd be on the first plane to Italy if Britain left the EU, I wouldn't want my missus to have to live in a hostile & nationalistic country full of people dictated by the media.

 

[Ashdown]

If you believe all of that then you do want to leave the EU

I don't see the immigration issue to be honest. It doesn't personally impact on my life and I don't see the country as full.

'It doesn't impact on my life'..................How fucking Grendel is that statement !?
Immigration impacts on everything, Schools, transport, housing/ house building, crime and the NHS. If you think this little Island can continue to absorb a population the size of Coventry each year going forwards then you are a mug !

 

[Sick Boy]

'It doesn't impact on my life'..................How fucking Grendel is that statement !?
Immigration impacts on everything, Schools, transport, housing/ house building, crime and the NHS. If you think this little Island can continue to absorb a population the size of Coventry each year going forwards then you are a mug !

Good luck running the country once all of the foreign talent has packed their bags for a less hostile country. What most people don't realise is that the vast majority of those coming into the country are highly educated and here to benefit the country and get suitably rewarded. My missus is a midwife and she has the equivalent of a first-class honours degree and understands Latin & Ancient Greek. Still, as long as those talented British citizens are getting ready to step up, we will be ok. :S

 

[Otis]

Good luck running the country once all of the foreign talent has packed their bags for a less hostile country. What most people don't realise is that the vast majority of those coming into the country are highly educated and here to benefit the country and get suitably rewarded. My missus is a midwife and she has the equivalent of a first-class honours degree and understands Latin & Ancient Greek. Still, as long as those talented British citizens are getting ready to step up, we will be ok. :S

If people come here and contribute I have no problem at all with immigration.

 

[Sick Boy]

If people come here and contribute I have no problem at all with immigration.

Most of those coming into the country do contribute though, yet for some reason everyone has it in their head they come here and fleece the country dry.

 

[Otis]

Most of those coming into the country do contribute though, yet for some reason everyone has it in their head they come here and fleece the country dry.

I know.

The press don't help with their anti-foreigner inflammatory talk all the time.

 

[Ashdown]

Good luck running the country once all of the foreign talent has packed their bags for a less hostile country. What most people don't realise is that the vast majority of those coming into the country are highly educated and here to benefit the country and get suitably rewarded. My missus is a midwife and she has the equivalent of a first-class honours degree and understands Latin & Ancient Greek. Still, as long as those talented British citizens are getting ready to step up, we will be ok. :S

Apart from a handful of idiotic extremists I don't think anyone is advocating closing our borders to valuable citizens or throwing anyone out. The UK will never become hostile, we are a well established multi ethnic society. The question of Immigration to many is purely about long term economics and pressures on services plus the negative impact on the environment. I agree about the quality of many incoming folk and the benefits they bring, we don't want to lose that. As for Nationalism, I'd say the French, Germans, Italians, Greeks and Scandinavians are more prone than us.

 

[bigfatronssba]

I'll vote to stay in the eu, but some of the scare stories about leaving are hilarious.

If you believe some then there were no human rights before 1998, and Britain was no place for foreigners before 1975.

 

[Sick Boy]

I know.

The press don't help with their anti-foreigner inflammatory talk all the time.

I know, people don't bother to engage their brains and simply take the newspapers as gospel. We should be proud that some of the finest minds in Europe want to come to this country to work and be paid properly for their hard work.

Instead if some had it their way, they would be discouraged from coming here and go elsewhere instead. IMO, part of the reason why this country does so well is the fact that we have these people coming into the country and we should be proud of it.

Still, i'm sure that there is a wealth of talent waiting to takeover once those fucking foreigners have gone.

 

[Otis]

I know, people don't bother to engage their brains and simply take the newspapers as gospel. We should be proud that some of the finest minds in Europe want to come to this country to work and be paid properly for their hard work.

Instead if some had it their way, they would be discouraged from coming here and go elsewhere instead. IMO, part of the reason why this country does so well is the fact that we have these people coming into the country and we should be proud of it.

Still, i'm sure that there is a wealth of talent waiting to takeover once those fucking foreigners have gone.

One of the worst press stories came from either the Mail or the Express.

Going back a few years now, but there was a murder somewhere in the UK and when the police caught the perpetrator, the headline the next day was something like 'It was an immigrant that did it.' Something almost identical to that.

That is outrageous journalism and dangerous too.

 

[Philosoraptor]

I'll vote to stay in the eu, but some of the scare stories about leaving are hilarious.

If you believe some then there were no human rights before 1998, and Britain was no place for foreigners before 1975.

I don't think people understand why we have Human Rights for.

To be fair this was one of the main reason why I left England for. It has become too right-wing.

We have two right of centre parties in Scotland, Labour and the Conservatives, and their both as dangerous as fuck when it comes to Human Rights.

Labour doesn't understand the problems of Utilitarian thinking... http://www.sfu.ca/~aheard/417/util.html

And the Conservatives want to do away with the protections we have from Utility from Europe and put up their own Bill of Rights. Whatever maybe in this Bill of Rights is circumspect, but level that with Common Law that there is in England, fewer countries in Europe needs their Human Rights protecting more than England.

A British Bill of Rights would also trigger another referendum in Scotland. This would be changing the very essence of Law and way of life in Scotland.

 

[Ashdown]

Thanks for that Cherie, still counting your millions ?

 

[Astute]

I know, people don't bother to engage their brains and simply take the newspapers as gospel. We should be proud that some of the finest minds in Europe want to come to this country to work and be paid properly for their hard work.

Instead if some had it their way, they would be discouraged from coming here and go elsewhere instead. IMO, part of the reason why this country does so well is the fact that we have these people coming into the country and we should be proud of it.

Still, i'm sure that there is a wealth of talent waiting to takeover once those fucking foreigners have gone.

Parts of all the big cities in Europe are getting it bad. It isn't most people coming in. But there is no way of stopping the wrong sort of people coming in. I don't have a problem with someone who wants to work. When I get my cars washed I give a tip of about 50% of the cost. They work hard for the money. But look at the crime levels. They had a shutdown in Paris last week. They tried to stop the pickpockets and got threatened. You have those in London that get arrested for crimes and go straight back to it. The minority of people living in London were born in England. Then you have our hospitals that are full but more coming in. Those with a bad criminal record are unknown to the police here. Look at the bad crimes committed in this country and then see how many are committed by illegal immigrants. It is quite a high percentage for the amount in this country. None of this is being racist. I am not in any way. But we need to tighten our borders. The EU wants us to slacken them even more.

I could go on. But what is the use. We all know it is true. But it is easier to bury your head in the sand. If I am so wrong why do so many people not born in this country but have lived here for a long time say it is time to stp the flow from coming in?

 

[Ashdown]

Parts of all the big cities in Europe are getting it bad. It isn't most people coming in. But there is no way of stopping the wrong sort of people coming in. I don't have a problem with someone who wants to work. When I get my cars washed I give a tip of about 50% of the cost. They work hard for the money. But look at the crime levels. They had a shutdown in Paris last week. They tried to stop the pickpockets and got threatened. You have those in London that get arrested for crimes and go straight back to it. The minority of people living in London were born in England. Then you have our hospitals that are full but more coming in. Those with a bad criminal record are unknown to the police here. Look at the bad crimes committed in this country and then see how many are committed by illegal immigrants. It is quite a high percentage for the amount in this country. None of this is being racist. I am not in any way. But we need to tighten our borders. The EU wants us to slacken them even more.

I could go on. But what is the use. We all know it is true. But it is easier to bury your head in the sand. If I am so wrong why do so many people not born in this country but have lived here for a long time say it is time to stp the flow from coming in?

You are mostly correct on all of it but sadly the Labour years from 1997-2010 made it very much the fashion to call anyone racist who questioned anything to do with the subject, the same people slated UKIP at every opportunity in the lead up to the election but 4 million proved that many of their points are valid to a lot of people. It's a numbers game and if the poor beleaguered refugees and economic migrants arriving in Southern Europe are spread around the West at the bequest of the EU then there will be an even bigger flood. I don't blame the individuals at all but Europe is filling up at an alarming rate and the problems need to be solved in their home countries. Trouble is the West has stirred up and created many of them.........

 

[Sick Boy]

Parts of all the big cities in Europe are getting it bad. It isn't most people coming in. But there is no way of stopping the wrong sort of people coming in. I don't have a problem with someone who wants to work. When I get my cars washed I give a tip of about 50% of the cost. They work hard for the money. But look at the crime levels. They had a shutdown in Paris last week. They tried to stop the pickpockets and got threatened. You have those in London that get arrested for crimes and go straight back to it. The minority of people living in London were born in England. Then you have our hospitals that are full but more coming in. Those with a bad criminal record are unknown to the police here. Look at the bad crimes committed in this country and then see how many are committed by illegal immigrants. It is quite a high percentage for the amount in this country. None of this is being racist. I am not in any way. But we need to tighten our borders. The EU wants us to slacken them even more.

I could go on. But what is the use. We all know it is true. But it is easier to bury your head in the sand. If I am so wrong why do so many people not born in this country but have lived here for a long time say it is time to stp the flow from coming in?

There is certainly a desire by both those born here and those not born here to stop criminals entering the country. The very vast majority of those coming here do so because they wish to work. Again, you focus upon the migrants who wash your car? Why ignore the doctors, nurses, midwives etc who come into this country? Who actually benefit the country?

I am not sure why you have chosen to focus upon migrants who are criminals and ignored the 95% who have come here to work and benefit British society?

 

[Sick Boy]

You are mostly correct on all of it but sadly the Labour years from 1997-2010 made it very much the fashion to call anyone racist who questioned anything to do with the subject, the same people slated UKIP at every opportunity in the lead up to the election but 4 million proved that many of their points are valid to a lot of people. It's a numbers game and if the poor beleaguered refugees and economic migrants arriving in Southern Europe are spread around the West at the bequest of the EU then there will be an even bigger flood. I don't blame the individuals at all but Europe is filling up at an alarming rate and the problems need to be solved in their home countries. Trouble is the West has stirred up and created many of them.........

What is your idea to solve problem? The redistribution of wealth? Guns set up off the coast of Lampedusa to gun the boats down? A political party in Italy, La Lega Nord, actually suggested this. Oh, and guess who they are in an alliance with in the European parliament? Yep, you guessed it, UKIP.

 

[deanocity3]

enough said

 

[Astute]

There is certainly a desire by both those born here and those not born here to stop criminals entering the country. The very vast majority of those coming here do so because they wish to work. Again, you focus upon the migrants who wash your car? Why ignore the doctors, nurses, midwives etc who come into this country? Who actually benefit the country?

I am not sure why you have chosen to focus upon migrants who are criminals and ignored the 95% who have come here to work and benefit British society?

Yes 5% doesn't sound a lot. But over 600,000 came to the UK last year. So this means 30,000 that are here to cause trouble each year. And we can hardly ever get rid of them once they are here. These are the ones that need targeting. Like I said those not here to work.

 

[Grendel]

Parts of all the big cities in Europe are getting it bad. It isn't most people coming in. But there is no way of stopping the wrong sort of people coming in. I don't have a problem with someone who wants to work. When I get my cars washed I give a tip of about 50% of the cost. They work hard for the money. But look at the crime levels.

I am not sure what is being suggested here. That the cars washers commit crime? Is there any evidence of this? More than likely it is that they are filling a void in the market where demand has exceeded supply. Much the same for service sector workers who rather than take jobs of "UK workers" are taking jobs from UK people who would rather not work.

The minority of people living in London were born in England.

Are you sure about that? The last Census does not agree - not that I am sure what the point is anyway

http://www.londonspovertyprofile.or...ation/londons-population-by-country-of-birth/

Then you have our hospitals that are full but more coming in.

More what? Doctors and Nurses to fill the void from the lack of interest or capability of the indigenous population to be employed in these areas? The increases longevity of the population and the percentage changes in age of the population is a far greater problem. The NHS has been a political football for many years and its problems are not related to immigration.

Those with a bad criminal record are unknown to the police here. Look at the bad crimes committed in this country and then see how many are committed by illegal immigrants.It is quite a high percentage for the amount in this country/QUOTE]
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Subjective. There is no percentage available to their illegal status. Clearly illegal means that those individuals have no place here and therefore are irrelevant in a debate on immigration.

But we need to tighten our borders. The EU wants us to slacken them even more.

You quote illegal immigration as the main crime source so EU is surely legal isn't it? Again it has broadly been successful in filling jobs that the population seem reluctant to take on the one hand and incapable on the other. Do they want to slacken them? Vote no at the referendum if this above economic viability is a primary concern.

I could go on. But what is the use. We all know it is true. But it is easier to bury your head in the sand. If I am so wrong why do so many people not born in this country but have lived here for a long time say it is time to stp the flow from coming in?

We do not all know it is true, a lot of us think it is xenophobic nonsense. Look at a study by the LSE as an example.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/apr/28/immigration-impact-crime

 

[bigfatronssba]

Surely its the governments duty to ensure that the indigenous population is at full employment before letting in more workers?

Its all well and good people living their comfy middle class lifestyles, being scornful of lower paid workers trying to protect their incomes, but until full employment is achieved, immigration should be kept at a minimum.

As for crime, surely if a more rigorous immigration screening process saves just 1 British life, then it is worth it?

 

[Grendel]

Surely its the governments duty to ensure that the indigenous population is at full employment before letting in more workers?

That was the policy of Nazi Germany wasn't it?

 

[bigfatronssba]

That was the policy of Nazi Germany wasn't it?

No

 

[Grendel]

No

Well yes it was. Boot out the foreigners and provide full employment for the Homeland.

No reasonable or sane person would suggest it. It is racist, dangerous talk.

 

[bigfatronssba]

Well yes it was. Boot out the foreigners and provide full employment for the Homeland.

No reasonable or sane person would suggest it. It is racist, dangerous talk.

You show me any quote/document/press release by the third reich that says they would allow immigration of non Germans to solve a labour shortage.

 

[Grendel]

You show me any quote/document/press release by the third reich that says they would allow immigration of non Germans to solve a labour shortage.

They sacked Jews and sent them to Labour camps so that the indigenous population could have their jobs you moron

 

[Philosoraptor]

They sacked Jews and sent them to Labour camps so that the indigenous population could have their jobs you moron

Jews weren't indigenous?

 

[bigfatronssba]

They sacked Jews and sent them to Labour camps so that the indigenous population could have their jobs you moron

Interesting you call me a moron when you have clearly not read what I said. I'll simplify what I said so you might understand it. Allow immigration when we reach full employment. That better for you?

Now, show me anything that says the Nazi Government would allow any non German immigration when there was full employment?

 

[Philosoraptor]

Grendel, may I take this time to call you a complete ass-hole..

 

[Grendel]

Jews weren't indigenous?

There were about half a million that were

Ha see why you mean sadly big fat rons British jobs for British workers means the same as it did there.

 

[Grendel]

Interesting you call me a moron when you have clearly not read what I said. I'll simplify what I said so you might understand it. Allow immigration when we reach full employment. That better for you?

Now, show me anything that says the Nazi Government would allow any non German immigration when there was full employment?

They wouldn't allow any any which is why I said the policy is akin to nazi Germany's. There is not one democratic society that would ever operate that system.

It's racist by definition. In Germany of course the full employment status could not be attained. So the population allowed to work was restricted and German born Jews and other undesirables were removed.

Under your "policy" the same would happen.

The irony of course is your idea would be most unpopular with the very people you are trying to benefit.

 

[Grendel]

Grendel, may I take this time to call you a complete ass-hole..

Strange.